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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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MaximizedAction wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

True words.


Worth its own sig!

Done. Sacrificed CleverNoobNetwork for that. =]

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Something never answered. At least officially. The AI on the Citadel. Not the Catalyst, the one that was hacking gambling terminals. The AI was created from an AI created by a thief to steal money. The thief noticed the malfunction in the first AI and the second in retaliation got the thief arrested. The strange thing about it was that the AI claimed that it understands organics and that organic life must always enslave or destroy synthetics. Hmmmm.....

The AI's opinion also is along the same opinion as Sovereigns opinion where organics are a mistake and need wiping out.

So from ME1 we get the message that rogue AI's/ Reapers are the problem. Then BioWare in the last game pulls a 180 and say the leader of the Reapers is your friend? It's illogical. Your minions are the enemy but the person that orders them around is the good guy? NO. WRONG. FALSE. INCORRECT.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

Something never answered. The AI on the Citadel. Not the Catalyst, the one that was hacking gambling terminals. The AI was created from an AI created by a thief to steal money. The thief noticed the malfunction in the first AI and the second in retaliation got the thief arrested. The strange thing about it was that the AI claimed that it understands organics and that organic life must always enslave or destroy synthetics. Hmmmm.....

The AI's opinion also is along the same message as Sovereigns opinions where organics are a mistake and need wiping out. Then BioWare in the last game pulls a 180 and say the leader of the Reapers is your friend? It's illogical. Your minions are the enemy but the person that orders them around is the good guy? NO. WRONG. FALSE. INCORRECT.

I think those are 2 different things:
1. The Reapers - synthetics destroy organics.
2. The Citadel AI - organics destroy synthetics.

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UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Some tears were shed. Best soundtrack ever BioWare!!! :crying:

 

This one is much better if one's been deprived of crying. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

This made me cry, honestly: http://youtu.be/6Hb48aYR-hk


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Something never answered. The AI on the Citadel. Not the Catalyst, the one that was hacking gambling terminals. The AI was created from an AI created by a thief to steal money. The thief noticed the malfunction in the first AI and the second in retaliation got the thief arrested. The strange thing about it was that the AI claimed that it understands organics and that organic life must always enslave or destroy synthetics. Hmmmm.....

The AI's opinion also is along the same message as Sovereigns opinions where organics are a mistake and need wiping out. Then BioWare in the last game pulls a 180 and say the leader of the Reapers is your friend? It's illogical. Your minions are the enemy but the person that orders them around is the good guy? NO. WRONG. FALSE. INCORRECT.

I think those are 2 different things:
1. The Reapers - synthetics destroy organics.
2. The Citadel AI - organics destroy synthetics.


That's the point. My writing was sloppy now that I look at it again. The point is that in #1 the bad synthetics say organics are the problem. This is the opinion from the Reapers we think of that is throughout the series. Then in the last 5 minutes of ME3, BioWare switches this opinion around and expects us to trust the Catalyst. Something is wrong. Obviously.   

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Fixed mine herp-derp post, now it's gonna be viewable.

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I've just noticed one interesting thing in memorial scene.
Notice how Garrus pass his hands over the Shepard's plate while he stick it on the wall. His moves so rude, not careful. Is he pissed off?
Kaidan, actualy, not gentle too . 



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TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Something never answered. The AI on the Citadel. Not the Catalyst, the one that was hacking gambling terminals. The AI was created from an AI created by a thief to steal money. The thief noticed the malfunction in the first AI and the second in retaliation got the thief arrested. The strange thing about it was that the AI claimed that it understands organics and that organic life must always enslave or destroy synthetics. Hmmmm.....

The AI's opinion also is along the same message as Sovereigns opinions where organics are a mistake and need wiping out. Then BioWare in the last game pulls a 180 and say the leader of the Reapers is your friend? It's illogical. Your minions are the enemy but the person that orders them around is the good guy? NO. WRONG. FALSE. INCORRECT.

I think those are 2 different things:
1. The Reapers - synthetics destroy organics.
2. The Citadel AI - organics destroy synthetics.


That's the point. My writing was sloppy now that I look at it again. The point is that in #1 the bad synthetics say organics are the problem. This is the opinion from the Reapers we think of that is throughout the series. Then in the last 5 minutes of ME3, BioWare switches this opinion around and expects us to trust the Catalyst. Something is wrong. Obviously.   

Yes, but maybe after reaching the ending Shepard is considered by the Reapers as someone more than an average organic and they try to reason with him. That they are needed for the survival of the species. Maybe they think he'll understand.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Something never answered. At least officially. The AI on the Citadel. Not the Catalyst, the one that was hacking gambling terminals. The AI was created from an AI created by a thief to steal money. The thief noticed the malfunction in the first AI and the second in retaliation got the thief arrested. The strange thing about it was that the AI claimed that it understands organics and that organic life must always enslave or destroy synthetics. Hmmmm.....

The AI's opinion also is along the same opinion as Sovereigns opinion where organics are a mistake and need wiping out.

So from ME1 we get the message that rogue AI's/ Reapers are the problem. Then BioWare in the last game pulls a 180 and say the leader of the Reapers is your friend? It's illogical. Your minions are the enemy but the person that orders them around is the good guy? NO. WRONG. FALSE. INCORRECT.


This whole reminded me more than it should of Star Trek The Final Frontier: www.youtube.com/watch.

Kirk being the badassfully sceptical himself. This is what I'm missing in the endings, something even the 'worst' Star Trek movie did it: question something rediculously trivial: a deity. This is art, this is the place to do it. Hell, Shatner himsef wrote that movie...
Shepard: "Peace isn't your goal..."

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:31 .


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Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.



Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? :crying:



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Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?

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byne wrote...

Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?

My new signature. :)

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byne wrote...

Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?


Not much. Though I'm surprised. SDCC is today yet there is no news from BioWare on ME3 yet...saving for Saturday perhaps?? 

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.



Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? :crying:




Putting IT hat :wizard:

Probably because the emotional weight of the scene would have distracted people from the fact that the entire exchange between Shepard and "Anderson" was in his head....I mean Shepard is talking to himself right... or part of his mind... his ID perhaps?

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UltimateTobi wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?

My new signature. :)


I like it.

Much better than Paxxton's new signature, where he finally just drops all pretenses and supports slavery right in his sig. ;)

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.



Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? :crying:



Because of that sentence.


#44691
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byne wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?

My new signature. :)


I like it.

Much better than Paxxton's new signature, where he finally just drops all pretenses and supports slavery right in his sig. ;)

We lost a good man.
Sacrifices must be done. I sacrificed CleverNoobNetwork.
paxx sacrificed his human being, and became the new Catalyst...

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.



Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? :crying:



Because of that sentence.


Except, I'm pretty sure its never outright stated that he actually has a son, its just implied that someone being talked about in an email is his son.

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byne wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?

My new signature. :)


I like it.

Much better than Paxxton's new signature, where he finally just drops all pretenses and supports slavery right in his sig. ;)

LOL. You're so funny, Bill. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:42 .


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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.



Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? :crying:



Because of that sentence.


Except, I'm pretty sure its never outright stated that he actually has a son, its just implied that someone being talked about in an email is his son.

Maybe he has a son he doesn't know about. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?

My new signature. :)


I like it.

Much better than Paxxton's new signature, where he finally just drops all pretenses and supports slavery right in his sig. ;)

LOL. You're so funny, Bill.


I'm assuming calling me Bill is a joke, referencing the fact that my first name is Clinton, right?

Otherwise I'm confused as to why you'd call me Bill. :?

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UltimateTobi wrote...

byne wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, thread's movin a lot faster today. I miss anything interesting in the past 2 hours?

My new signature. :)


I like it.

Much better than Paxxton's new signature, where he finally just drops all pretenses and supports slavery right in his sig. ;)

We lost a good man.
Sacrifices must be done. I sacrificed CleverNoobNetwork.
paxx sacrificed his human being, and became the new Catalyst...

I sacrificed much more. Links to UNIT and RSDT. Posted ImagePosted Image

Unified Nanide-based Indoctrination Theory (UNIT)
http://social.biowar.../index/12089259

Reaper-induced Shepard's Dream Theory (RSDT)
http://social.biowar...32/827#12611367

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .


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@byne: Yup, a joke.

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paxxton wrote...

I sacrificed much more. Links to UNIT and RSDT. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

:o You're not a fellow ITer anymore...? :(... :pinched:... :crying:

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:45 .


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UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I sacrificed much more. Links to UNIT and RSDT. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

:o You're not a fellow ITer anymore...? :(... :pinched:... :crying:


I think he just means the links he had in his sig that he had to replace with the banner

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UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I sacrificed much more. Links to UNIT and RSDT. Posted Image

:o You're not a fellow ITer anymore...? :(... :pinched:... :crying:

The sacrifice is only temporary. As soon as I find a way to successfully insert hypertextual links in the sig the wealth of my highly acclaimed ME3 theories will be again available to all the people of good will.
Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:52 .