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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/

Chris Priestly asking about IT, not sure if it's been posted here yet... interesting.

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estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 

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BluSoldier wrote...

As much as I believe in IT, there is a non-IT explanation for the Shadow Broker -ship - looking things on the cidatel. The Prothean VI said that in every cycle there are identical factions. This means that there is always a shadow broker. It is very possible that just as the Citadel becomes the main governmental capital in every cycle, the Shadow Brokers ship is the shadow broker's ship in every cycle. Thus it is possible that the SB's ship is made by the reapers/whoever made the reapers, just as the citadel is. This would explain similar design specifics.

-Blu

I could have sworn that in LOTSB Liara talks about the people who built the ship, the contractors. So how could it be the same ship in each cycle?

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Nothing's here.

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dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 


Intriguing. I voted; thanks for the heads up.

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Catching up!

byne wrote...

I even have my colors set to black, to scare my teammates when we fight against geth.

Once, when all the rest of my team was at extraction, I had to rush to get there, so I was sprinting with my gun charged, and one of my teammates freaked out and was like "Oh **** that geth hunter is fast as hell!"

Its a good thing there is no friendly fire in multiplayer.

Combine my geth hunter who looks like a geth hunter with my vanguard, and I'd be getting teamkilled a hell of a lot.

My vanguard, for reference:

*snip*


"OHSH*T!" had me laughing so hard! Why you make me wanna mess with people in MP? Wish I had ME3 on 360 so I we could get a few rounds in but alas I'm a PC gamer.


Question to Anti-MPers: I've got to ask, why do some people dislike MP? Maybe it's as simple as an unstable internet connection, but I get the feeling it's a bit more than that. Believe it or not, Multiplayer actually fun in ME3 (probably because it's not Player vs Player). Are you dying often? Make sure you put all your skillpoints in increasing your sheilds/shield delay under Fitness for your selected character. If you don't like much in the way of using powers often take your favorite/strongest 2 weapons with you, if you Do want to use powers often (which I don't recommend for the first 5 or 10 levels, since skillpoint sshould be going into Fitness) maybe cut one weapon out to get that % boost. If you happen to run into a room full of annoying gamers don't forget you can leave anytime and search for another, most hours of the day/night there's plenty of other gamers playing. And be sure to set your difficutly search for Bronze difficulty until around level 17+ for your character, Silver and Gold don't mess around.

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Eezo/the mass effect is a product
from dark energy, now we know when the Crucible is shooting it seems
like the mass relays get drained or someone pulled the plug on the mass
effect core. Could be that the Crucible destroys Eezo or Dark Energy
(which would render the Eezo inert), hence most of the technology we
rely on. This is also seen as the Reapers don't really get destroyed but
again it just looks like someone pulled the plug in the "destroy"
ending.


I'd say that's possible but the Stargazer scene plays at the end of All 3 ending choices, even the "bad" destroy ending I believe. If the Crucible destroys all the Eezo via Dark Energy (or renders it inert as you suggest) then the Reapers in both the Control and Synthesis ending would fall over dead without Eezo cores. Also, the Destroy ending is hinting at destroying synthetic life "including the geth, even YOU are partly synthetic) so destroying Eezo wouldn't be an efficient way of doing that since Synthetic life isn't reliant on Eezo to live (the Reaper ships themselves are to function), they're reliant on higher brain functions to "exists" beyond programming.

For those worried about Ardat-Yakshi in the 10k future, remember Ardat-Yakshi are STERILE so wouldn't be able to have any daughters to begin with, if that's the case with Liara her line would've died out before this future if that's even what we're seeing. Also, keep in mind the Stargazer is a grandFATHER and he's speaking to his grandSON, obviously not asari. Like Arian Dynas I believe the Stargazer scene is Biowares way of saying "Sit back down! Movie isn't over yet."

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dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 


To quote Mister Spock, "Fascinating."

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dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 



Do I need to sign up to be able to vote?

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Dwailing wrote...

To quote Mister Spock, "Fascinating."


I've said that in his voice more times than I can count during this whole debacle---enough for me to want to pony up for the Blu-ray discs of Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country recently. (laughs)

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dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 


It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

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dreamgazer wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

To quote Mister Spock, "Fascinating."


I've said that in his voice more times than I can count during this whole debacle---enough for me to want to pony up for the Blu-ray discs of Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country recently. (laughs)


LOL, I bet those two would look great on Blu-Ray.  I would definitely recommend Wrath of Khan, although I doubt you need my recommendation for it. ;)

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MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 


It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"


Yeah, I still think that this was their plan from the beginning.  It simply seems too perfect for it NOT to be their plan.

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estebanus wrote...

Do I need to sign up to be able to vote?


It would appear that way (I'm not a member). 

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BluSoldier wrote...

As much as I believe in IT, there is a non-IT explanation for the Shadow Broker -ship - looking things on the cidatel. The Prothean VI said that in every cycle there are identical factions. This means that there is always a shadow broker. It is very possible that just as the Citadel becomes the main governmental capital in every cycle, the Shadow Brokers ship is the shadow broker's ship in every cycle. Thus it is possible that the SB's ship is made by the reapers/whoever made the reapers, just as the citadel is. This would explain similar design specifics.

-Blu


Take what Vedetta says with a pinch of salt he claimed the patterns in each cycle are too repetitive to be the work of the Reapers (or something similar). He states that the they were sabotatged by a group within wanting to control the Reapers who were later found to be indoctrinated our cycle's gorup is Cerberus who we all know the leader had inderect contact with a Reaper artifact. that would suggest that the Reapers are behind the patterns.

Hell since I'm grasping at straws now might as well finish my theory that the Reapers gave the Geth a very primitive boost of self awareness to provoke the morning war (IMO the term "does this unit have a soul" is far too individualistic to have been the geth achieving self awareness by themselves)

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MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 


It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"



I agree. And I can only salute all those people who made this theory plausible. I tip my hat to all of you!

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blooregard wrote...
Hell since I'm grasping at straws now might as well finish my theory that the Reapers gave the Geth a very primitive boost of self awareness to provoke the morning war (IMO the term "does this unit have a soul" is far too individualistic to have been the geth achieving self awareness by themselves)

Now that's a theory I like, it would certainly boost their propaganda that synthetics are dangerous.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"


There's lots of things that have been said here and there all over the forum about this whole thing, about validity and fan fiction and what-not, but there's one thing that I've been reminded of recently:

You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion.


Priestly included this blurb in his "LOCKDOWN" message, when all he really needed to do was say that it had ventured off-topic. You can't put much stock into that, obviously, but there are other ways of handling the reemergence of the interpretation that could have easily zipped many, many lips. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 22 mai 2012 - 09:16 .


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DJBare wrote...

blooregard wrote...
Hell since I'm grasping at straws now might as well finish my theory that the Reapers gave the Geth a very primitive boost of self awareness to provoke the morning war (IMO the term "does this unit have a soul" is far too individualistic to have been the geth achieving self awareness by themselves)

Now that's a theory I like, it would certainly boost their propaganda that synthetics are dangerous.


How would they have done that, though?  I mean, I think it's a cool idea, but the execution seems a little difficult.

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I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...

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estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.



Link, please?


http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 


It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"



I agree. And I can only salute all those people who made this theory plausible. I tip my hat to all of you!
*snip*

In my opinion, Bioware made this theory plausible with the clues they put in the game, it's why I'm more convinced that Bioware had this planned from the start, but there is a fly in the ointment, I don't think Bioware were expecting the backlash they got, at least not on the scale it became, eg "HTL" and "Retake".

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dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Do I need to sign up to be able to vote?


It would appear that way (I'm not a member). 



Just signed up and voted.

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HellishFiend wrote...

I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...


Read through the posts.  You'll find plenty of vocal folks stating that opinion. 

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DJBare wrote...

blooregard wrote...
Hell since I'm grasping at straws now might as well finish my theory that the Reapers gave the Geth a very primitive boost of self awareness to provoke the morning war (IMO the term "does this unit have a soul" is far too individualistic to have been the geth achieving self awareness by themselves)

Now that's a theory I like, it would certainly boost their propaganda that synthetics are dangerous.


So, this theory would make the Geth technically indoctrinated, too (Ok, nothing new, since that's what Sovereign did to the heretics).
Well, so each and everyone, from organic to synthetic might be indoctrinated.

A wonder, it took the Reapers more than a century to defeat the Prothean cycle.

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dreamgazer wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"


There's lots of things that have been said here and there all over the forum about this whole thing, about validity and fan fiction and what-not, but there's one thing that I've been reminded of recently:

You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion.


Priestly included this blurb in his "LOCKDOWN" message, when all he really needed to do was say that it had ventured off-topic. You can't put much stock into that, obviously, but there are other ways of handling the reemergence of the interpretation that could have easily zipped many, many lips. 


Huh, "Fascinating."  It seems as if BW is teasing us.  Now, why couldn't Jessica go back to her old style of teasing us? <_<  Unless, of course, she was teasing us TOO much, in which case BW might have told her to start telling us useless info.  That could be it.  Either way, I still love her. :wub:

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dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...


Read through the posts.  You'll find plenty of vocal folks stating that opinion. 


Right, but poll results speak louder than vocal folks.