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[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

Anyone fancy some Gold on Xbox 360 ? Inv me: Teamovett

I might later today. I will definitely on the weekend for the challenges.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

Isn't the gun changed to Predator in Destroy?

Yes, as soon as the destroy shockwave hits Shepard it changes to a Predator.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally,a nd in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere

No. They can be defeated conventionally. Period. By our forces? Probably not, but the reapers are just more advanced versions of our ships, and our ships can be defeated conventionally. (Some extragalactic species would probably be more advanced that the reapers and therefore could defeat them conventionally.)
Could we do it with the assets we have currently? No. But that's why many people believe that future DLC (starting with Leviathan) may be able to add enough assets to win in a rejection ending.

But then you have to ask. Was it worth it? Speaking literally if you pick one of the 3 options you SAVE LIVES by "ending" the threat sooner rather than later. Winning conventionally would require more time and more lives. The amount of people who would die in this period of time is probably more than all the geth (were you to pick destroy). Sure, you are spreading the love (death) to all species but it doesn't make the war any more costly, it would just help Shepard sleep better at night I guess? 

This is not to say that a winning rejection ending is not the I would pick, because I probably would (pick it). I'm just speaking hypothetically.

[Salient Archer]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Been awhile since I posted anything (lurking is a new pass-time for me) but I figured i'd just post this for ****s and giggles.

What do you mean "is now"?

Edit: It's been a while, what was your old avatar? Garrus?

Hahaha, sorry about that. I was trying to find one that just said "This thread IS incredibly awesome" but I just couldn't pass up the chance to slap up an image of a T-Rex flying an F-15. 

P.S. Yes, Garrus was my avatar.

[BansheeOwnage]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

A lot of people (including myself) got that impression that the Reapers are godlike beings, especially by Sovereign's conversation on Virmire. We can see clearly in ME3 that this is not true.

And we cannot take everything the Reapers talk as truth, like Sovereign's famous quote "We have nor beggining nor ending". They clearly have a beggining. Perhaps the Reapers that were not created by the "Creators" think that way, I if by conclusion or by instruction from the "original" Reapers (I can be wrong, but I think Harbinger was not the only Reaper of the first cycle)

I think so too. Leviathan is most likely of the same batch as Harbinger (IMO probably his equal). Think about it, I know Harbinger is awesome, but could he really defeat all of his creators and the next cycle alone? Then he would have to make a reaper, and they would have to do the cycle after that with only Harbinger and the other reaper. You know what I mean?

[BansheeOwnage]

FreddyCast wrote...
It's probably negative because Bioware doesn't approve our defiance against their "artistic vision". Makes me want to .

It does seem (rejection) to be a bit of a slap in the face to all of us here and many elsewhere. I'll reserve my judgment on that until after some other DLCs are released. Also, keep in mind you have to shoot him with a carnifex because, you know, it's your only gun ATM.

[FreddyCast]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally,a nd in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere

No. They can be defeated conventionally. Period. By our forces? Probably not, but the reapers are just more advanced versions of our ships, and our ships can be defeated conventionally. (Some extragalactic species would probably be more advanced that the reapers and therefore could defeat them conventionally.)
Could we do it with the assets we have currently? No. But that's why many people believe that future DLC (starting with Leviathan) may be able to add enough assets to win in a rejection ending.

But then you have to ask. Was it worth it? Speaking literally if you pick one of the 3 options you SAVE LIVES by "ending" the threat sooner rather than later. Winning conventionally would require more time and more lives. The amount of people who would die in this period of time is probably more than all the geth (were you to pick destroy). Sure, you are spreading the love (death) to all species but it doesn't make the war any more costly, it would just help Shepard sleep better at night I guess? 

This is not to say that a winning rejection ending is not the I would pick, because I probably would (pick it). I'm just speaking hypothetically.

It is well worth it if we are saving the galaxy from an indoctrinated Tyrant Shepard, or from a galactic violation of all life into a green glowing abomination of life, or from a genocide of an entire species. The extra lives lost will save the lives lost in those three horrible scenarios.

[Salient Archer]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

A lot of people (including myself) got that impression that the Reapers are godlike beings, especially by Sovereign's conversation on Virmire. We can see clearly in ME3 that this is not true.

And we cannot take everything the Reapers talk as truth, like Sovereign's famous quote "We have nor beggining nor ending". They clearly have a beggining. Perhaps the Reapers that were not created by the "Creators" think that way, I if by conclusion or by instruction from the "original" Reapers (I can be wrong, but I think Harbinger was not the only Reaper of the first cycle)

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but...

Assuming the codex is correct in stating that Harbinger is the oldest (known) Reaper and StarBrat states that his creators became the first 'Real' Reaper. Than by that logic is it safe to assume that Harbinger is the Reaper that was born from StarBrats creators?.

I should also point out that StarBrat reaped his own creators against their own desires. This could possibly be why he believes that all Synthetics will turn against their creators, for he was the one that perpetrated this very act and hence solidify his own belief through his own actions.

[marcelo_sdk]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

A lot of people (including myself) got that impression that the Reapers are godlike beings, especially by Sovereign's conversation on Virmire. We can see clearly in ME3 that this is not true.

And we cannot take everything the Reapers talk as truth, like Sovereign's famous quote "We have nor beggining nor ending". They clearly have a beggining. Perhaps the Reapers that were not created by the "Creators" think that way, I if by conclusion or by instruction from the "original" Reapers (I can be wrong, but I think Harbinger was not the only Reaper of the first cycle)

I think so too. Leviathan is most likely of the same batch as Harbinger (IMO probably his equal). Think about it, I know Harbinger is awesome, but could he really defeat all of his creators and the next cycle alone? Then he would have to make a reaper, and they would have to do the cycle after that with only Harbinger and the other reaper. You know what I mean?

The technology of the Creators would be a lot more advanced than from our cycle. If Harbinger couldn't defeat ours alone, I doubt he could defeated the Creators.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Anyone fancy some Gold on Xbox 360 ? Inv me: Teamovett

I might later today. I will definitely on the weekend for the challenges.

AlbionI'll be on too after 10-11 pm est! 

[FreddyCast]

Salient Archer wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

A lot of people (including myself) got that impression that the Reapers are godlike beings, especially by Sovereign's conversation on Virmire. We can see clearly in ME3 that this is not true.

And we cannot take everything the Reapers talk as truth, like Sovereign's famous quote "We have nor beggining nor ending". They clearly have a beggining. Perhaps the Reapers that were not created by the "Creators" think that way, I if by conclusion or by instruction from the "original" Reapers (I can be wrong, but I think Harbinger was not the only Reaper of the first cycle)

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but...

Assuming the codex is correct in stating that Harbinger is the oldest (known) Reaper and StarBrat states that his creators became the first 'Real' Reaper. Than by that logic is it safe to assume that Harbinger is the Reaper that was born from StarBrats creators?.

I should also point out that StarBrat reaped his own creators against their own desires. This could possibly be why he believes that all Synthetics will turn against their creators, for he was the one that perpetrated this very act and hence solidify his own belief through his own actions.

Yes, it is safe to assume that, the hidden dialogue found in the EC DLC confirms that the very first Reaper is Harbinger himself.

[jgibson14352]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally,a nd in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere

No. They can be defeated conventionally. Period. By our forces? Probably not, but the reapers are just more advanced versions of our ships, and our ships can be defeated conventionally. (Some extragalactic species would probably be more advanced that the reapers and therefore could defeat them conventionally.)
Could we do it with the assets we have currently? No. But that's why many people believe that future DLC (starting with Leviathan) may be able to add enough assets to win in a rejection ending.

yes they can be defeated conventionally if its scenarios like 1 capital ship vs half the turian fleet, but thats never the case. if you saw the report on the spectre terminal, you saw that it said the galactic economy could only support this war for one more year tops. the reapers have had (what we have to assume is) nearly an infinite amount of time to perfect the methods they use to wage war. they have the best guns. period. the have the best shields. period. they have greater numbers. period. they have the best tactics. period. what we saw on priority earth (our fleets and ground forces taking a massive beating) was with a united galaxy.

im not saying the leviathan dlc couldnt change anything, if bioware wrote it well enough im sure it could be perfect. but if just having one old reaper turns the tide of a war like this, im going to be dissapointed. if leviathan has some sort of virus, or special tactic/weakness to use against the reapers, id be all for that. im not saying im against bioware putting in a conventional victory option, but the way things are now, it wouldnt make any sense.
 the best scenario i can think of is that we wouldnt have been able to win a convential war against the soviets just because a few pilots with some MiGs defected, theyd have to have something special to make a difference

[marcelo_sdk]

Salient Archer wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

A lot of people (including myself) got that impression that the Reapers are godlike beings, especially by Sovereign's conversation on Virmire. We can see clearly in ME3 that this is not true.

And we cannot take everything the Reapers talk as truth, like Sovereign's famous quote "We have nor beggining nor ending". They clearly have a beggining. Perhaps the Reapers that were not created by the "Creators" think that way, I if by conclusion or by instruction from the "original" Reapers (I can be wrong, but I think Harbinger was not the only Reaper of the first cycle)

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but...

Assuming the codex is correct in stating that Harbinger is the oldest (known) Reaper and StarBrat states that his creators became the first 'Real' Reaper. Than by that logic is it safe to assume that Harbinger is the Reaper that was born from StarBrats creators?.

I should also point out that StarBrat reaped his own creators against their own desires. This could possibly be why he believes that all Synthetics will turn against their creators, for he was the one that perpetrated this very act and hence solidify his own belief through his own actions.

You must remember that the Codex has the informations that are believed to be true in game. So, until the end, that was the information available about Harbinger. Don't mean that it can't be wrong.

[Andromidius]

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, and in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere, and that was with a united galaxy

Conventionally, no.  Unconventionally, yes.

In a straight up battle the Reapers will always win.  But throw a curve ball, use hit-and-run tactics, kamakazi runs...  Its shown that breaking the mold from normal tactics seems to work against Reapers - still heavy in cost, but it results in a pound-for-pound deathtoil.

Fighting Reapers 'conventionally' would be like if the Revolutionaries tried to fight a regular line-battle war with the British during the War of Independance.  Every time they tried, they got crushed.  But they still won the war.

[BansheeOwnage]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
No. They can be defeated conventionally. Period. By our forces? Probably not, but the reapers are just more advanced versions of our ships, and our ships can be defeated conventionally. (Some extragalactic species would probably be more advanced that the reapers and therefore could defeat them conventionally.)
Could we do it with the assets we have currently? No. But that's why many people believe that future DLC (starting with Leviathan) may be able to add enough assets to win in a rejection ending.

But then you have to ask. Was it worth it? Speaking literally if you pick one of the 3 options you SAVE LIVES by "ending" the threat sooner rather than later. Winning conventionally would require more time and more lives. The amount of people who would die in this period of time is probably more than all the geth (were you to pick destroy). Sure, you are spreading the love (death) to all species but it doesn't make the war any more costly, it would just help Shepard sleep better at night I guess? 

This is not to say that a winning rejection ending is not the I would pick, because I probably would (pick it). I'm just speaking hypothetically.

Well there is a lot to think about there. Shepard explained it best in ME2.
"I’m going to stop the Reapers. But I won’t sacrifice the soul of our species to do it."
In this case, the soul of the galaxy.
If the literal ending is Bioware's intention, the morals are 100% backwards, even to their own lore.
http://t1.gstatic.co...QV6ZHiWH-3Cb2b5

Synthesis (do I even need to explain why?) is the worst, morally, but is portrayed as the best.
Reject is the best, morally. (Freedom, standing up for what you believe, not giving in, etc.) But you must lose everything if you chose it.
TL;DR: if literal endings are true, screw BW I'll pick reject.

[Salient Archer]

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

A lot of people (including myself) got that impression that the Reapers are godlike beings, especially by Sovereign's conversation on Virmire. We can see clearly in ME3 that this is not true.

And we cannot take everything the Reapers talk as truth, like Sovereign's famous quote "We have nor beggining nor ending". They clearly have a beggining. Perhaps the Reapers that were not created by the "Creators" think that way, I if by conclusion or by instruction from the "original" Reapers (I can be wrong, but I think Harbinger was not the only Reaper of the first cycle)

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but...

Assuming the codex is correct in stating that Harbinger is the oldest (known) Reaper and StarBrat states that his creators became the first 'Real' Reaper. Than by that logic is it safe to assume that Harbinger is the Reaper that was born from StarBrats creators?.

I should also point out that StarBrat reaped his own creators against their own desires. This could possibly be why he believes that all Synthetics will turn against their creators, for he was the one that perpetrated this very act and hence solidify his own belief through his own actions.

You must remember that the Codex has the informations that are believed to be true in game. So, until the end, that was the information available about Harbinger. Don't mean that it can't be wrong.

Which raises a queston I always had: For that entry to be in the codex, someone in Shepard's cycle would have to know that information. But how would anyone know that Harbinger is the oldest Reaper? It would be pure speculation based on no imperical data at all. The only thing I could think of is that the information aquired from the derelic reaper or the collector base made reference to it.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, and in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere, and that was with a united galaxy

Conventionally, no.  Unconventionally, yes.

In a straight up battle the Reapers will always win.  But throw a curve ball, use hit-and-run tactics, kamakazi runs...  Its shown that breaking the mold from normal tactics seems to work against Reapers - still heavy in cost, but it results in a pound-for-pound deathtoil.

Fighting Reapers 'conventionally' would be like if the Revolutionaries tried to fight a regular line-battle war with the British during the War of Independance.  Every time they tried, they got crushed.  But they still won the war.

Well I'm pretty sure by "conventionally" we mean without galactic superweapons.

[CoolioThane]

Okeys, Banshee and Punny, I'll probably be on all night (I need to sort out my sleeping pattern) so lemme know when you fancy some games

[munnellyladt]

So played through the ending again....anyone ever get a green destroy ending?

[BansheeOwnage]

Salient Archer wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

marcelo_sdk wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

A lot of people (including myself) got that impression that the Reapers are godlike beings, especially by Sovereign's conversation on Virmire. We can see clearly in ME3 that this is not true.

And we cannot take everything the Reapers talk as truth, like Sovereign's famous quote "We have nor beggining nor ending". They clearly have a beggining. Perhaps the Reapers that were not created by the "Creators" think that way, I if by conclusion or by instruction from the "original" Reapers (I can be wrong, but I think Harbinger was not the only Reaper of the first cycle)

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but...

Assuming the codex is correct in stating that Harbinger is the oldest (known) Reaper and StarBrat states that his creators became the first 'Real' Reaper. Than by that logic is it safe to assume that Harbinger is the Reaper that was born from StarBrats creators?.

I should also point out that StarBrat reaped his own creators against their own desires. This could possibly be why he believes that all Synthetics will turn against their creators, for he was the one that perpetrated this very act and hence solidify his own belief through his own actions.

You must remember that the Codex has the informations that are believed to be true in game. So, until the end, that was the information available about Harbinger. Don't mean that it can't be wrong.

Which raises a queston I always had: For that entry to be in the codex, someone in Shepard's cycle would have to know that information. But how would anyone know that Harbinger is the oldest Reaper? It would be pure speculation based on no imperical data at all. The only thing I could think of is that the information aquired from the derelic reaper or the collector base made reference to it.

Well there was that datapad with Harbinger's specs on it from the collector base.


Regardless, that information is true.

[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

Okeys, Banshee and Punny, I'll probably be on all night (I need to sort out my sleeping pattern) so lemme know when you fancy some games

Will do.

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, and in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere, and that was with a united galaxy

Conventionally, no.  Unconventionally, yes.

In a straight up battle the Reapers will always win.  But throw a curve ball, use hit-and-run tactics, kamakazi runs...  Its shown that breaking the mold from normal tactics seems to work against Reapers - still heavy in cost, but it results in a pound-for-pound deathtoil.

Fighting Reapers 'conventionally' would be like if the Revolutionaries tried to fight a regular line-battle war with the British during the War of Independance.  Every time they tried, they got crushed.  But they still won the war.

Well I'm pretty sure by "conventionally" we mean without galactic superweapons.

In this case conventional just means standard tactics. As Hackett said, a full frontal assault. Hit and run, ramming ships at FTL, putting nukes inside Reapers, which were all done to great effect, are not conventional tactics. I believe the Reapers can be beaten without the Crucible, just not in the full frontal assault the fleet did at the end.

[BansheeOwnage]

munnellyladt wrote...

So played through the ending again....anyone ever get a green destroy ending?

No, but I did get an invert colours ending the first time I played the game. Totally confused me even more than the confusing endings themselves. (Okay nothing could confuse me as much as the ME3 endings  but it added to it).

[Andromidius]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well I'm pretty sure by "conventionally" we mean without galactic superweapons.

Its never stated what it means exactly.  But going by the meaning of the word, it means 'non-standard warfare'.

The Galactic Alliance is the most unconventional fighting force ever essembled, and joint strike forces are able to use tactics and techniques never thought of before.

If the Protheans could put up a good fight for centuries while they were the only advanced race in the Galaxy and didn't have the Citadel or Mass Relays, I'm pretty sure the combined might of the Galaxy with a dozen races and full access to the Relay Network would be able to at least fight as well. 

And as we've seen, a least a dozen Reapers have been killed already - none were killed by the Protheans (apperently).

[munnellyladt]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

So played through the ending again....anyone ever get a green destroy ending?

No, but I did get an invert colours ending the first time I played the game. Totally confused me even more than the confusing endings themselves. (Okay nothing could confuse me as much as the ME3 endings  but it added to it).

Also,another weird thing that happened was when the wave hit the reapers,their circuit pattern started to glow purple