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[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

So played through the ending again....anyone ever get a green destroy ending?

No, but I did get an invert colours ending the first time I played the game. Totally confused me even more than the confusing endings themselves. (Okay nothing could confuse me as much as the ME3 endings  but it added to it).

Thats happened to me too.

I also once had a playthrough where all the pre-rendered movies (like the stuff with all the shuttles in London, the space battle, and the end movies) decided they were only gonna play at like 50% of normal speed. So that was fun.

[FreddyCast]

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally,a nd in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere

No. They can be defeated conventionally. Period. By our forces? Probably not, but the reapers are just more advanced versions of our ships, and our ships can be defeated conventionally. (Some extragalactic species would probably be more advanced that the reapers and therefore could defeat them conventionally.)
Could we do it with the assets we have currently? No. But that's why many people believe that future DLC (starting with Leviathan) may be able to add enough assets to win in a rejection ending.

yes they can be defeated conventionally if its scenarios like 1 capital ship vs half the turian fleet, but thats never the case. if you saw the report on the spectre terminal, you saw that it said the galactic economy could only support this war for one more year tops. the reapers have had (what we have to assume is) nearly an infinite amount of time to perfect the methods they use to wage war. they have the best guns. period. the have the best shields. period. they have greater numbers. period. they have the best tactics. period. what we saw on priority earth (our fleets and ground forces taking a massive beating) was with a united galaxy.

im not saying the leviathan dlc couldnt change anything, if bioware wrote it well enough im sure it could be perfect. but if just having one old reaper turns the tide of a war like this, im going to be dissapointed. if leviathan has some sort of virus, or special tactic/weakness to use against the reapers, id be all for that. im not saying im against bioware putting in a conventional victory option, but the way things are now, it wouldnt make any sense.
 the best scenario i can think of is that we wouldnt have been able to win a convential war against the soviets just because a few pilots with some MiGs defected, theyd have to have something special to make a difference

As ITers, we agree there must be a new ending. Therefore, we must come up with a way to defeat the Reapers. NOT by ignoring the Crucible completely NOR by going head to head with the Reapers. I believe there should be a combination of both a united galaxy and new strategies (which is how Javik's cycle fell b/c they were not united and they only had one way of fighting and could not think of other ways to fight, thus the desparate attempt at building the Crucible), as well as using the Crucible (not ignoring what the Catalyst said about the Crucible, except for those three horrible options) in some way since what Shep experienced was just a dream, and thus, we still have no idea what the Crucible actually does. The Crucible can be our Superweapon, all Starships can have an upgraded Thanix cannon (maybe call it Thor cannon, b/c of human design improvement maybe), and we learn of new unconventional ways to fight since all species are unique (Example, Nuclear warfare)
Why do you think the Reapers attacked the the Nuclear missile silos. Because it was a threat. A weapon powerful enough to destroy them.
What do you guys think?

[munnellyladt]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

So played through the ending again....anyone ever get a green destroy ending?

No, but I did get an invert colours ending the first time I played the game. Totally confused me even more than the confusing endings themselves. (Okay nothing could confuse me as much as the ME3 endings  but it added to it).

Thats happened to me too.

I also once had a playthrough where all the pre-rendered movies (like the stuff with all the shuttles in London, the space battle, and the end movies) decided they were only gonna play at like 50% of normal speed. So that was fun.

Whats up with all these ending bugs?

You think they would have fixed them by now.

[Rifneno]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Ah Nobuo, he really is a true legend when it comes to music.

The Final Fantasy games really would not have been the same without his masterful touch. My two favorite tracks from him to this day though comes from the same Final Fantasy game, FFIX. "Freya´s Theme" and "You are not Alone," the first a track of sorrow and despair which falls like cold rain and the other the tale of a persons battle against utter despair with the help of his friends...such great pieces.

I like this salarian, he understands! </krogan shaman>

We got into a discussion months ago on the first IT thread about this topic. Few people argued with me with about my defense of Uematsu's work (and jRPG's in general, music is the one area they still really win over wRPGs) with such compelling points as "Yeah they won all kinds of awards, but so what? Doesn't matter. It's only really popular in Japan. Oh, they sell out concerns in major America cities? Doesn't matter. Oh, they spend millions hiring a major pop star to sing the lyrics? Doesn't mean anything. Besides, lyrics in games are cheesy." It was like arguing with a literalist. Still reeling over "lyrics are cheesy." The tracks in Dragon Age with the mournful lyrics made that OST and it was a wRPG (obviously).

Yeah, pretty much all of the character things Uematsu does are just masterful in portraying the tone of the character. Freya's was a great mix of whimsical and sorrow. I seriously doubt half as many people would've given a damn about Aeris getting phantom sync-killed if it wasn't for the music accompanying the scene. On the topic of favorites: One-Winged Angel (7), Melodies of Life (9).

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

Everytime someone says the united races can beat the Reapers if they just stick together and believe in sunshine and rainbows and butterflies, I want to projectile vomit. I imagine it's how the literalists feel when they see IT. I just keep smacking my forehead muttering "where did you get such a ridiculous idea?!"

jgibson14352 wrote...

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, and in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere, and that was with a united galaxy

YES! EXACTLY! The entire series they've pounded it into our heads that we CANNOT win a toe-to-toe fight with the Reapers. And what do people take away from it all? "Hackett thinks there's no hope in conventional warfare, he must be indoctrinated."

Here's some math. The Leviathan of Dis was dated at about a billion years old. The writers said the Reapers don't usually lose even one capital ship per cycle. So even if we assume they lose one every other cycle, we're left at the conservative estimate of 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3-4 dreadnoughts to bring down one capital ship. Do you think we have 40,000 dreadnoughts? Because I sure as hell don't. Last I heard the estimate was around 200 for all organic species total. And that's not even counting the Destroyers which "make up the bulk of the Reaper forces." But yeah, we can totally win this by sticking together and believing in the power of love or something.

*sigh* I need to take up alcoholism.

[Andromidius]

BleedingUranium wrote...
In this case conventional just means standard tactics. As Hackett said, a full frontal assault. Hit and run, ramming ships at FTL, putting nukes inside Reapers, which were all done to great effect, are not conventional tactics. I believe the Reapers can be beaten without the Crucible, just not in the full frontal assault the fleet did at the end.

Yep.  It would be mega bloody, and possibly leave the Galaxy a smoking ruin even if the Reapers are defeated.  But I think its possible.

Reaper warfare is all Shock and Awe, akin to a WW2 Blitzkrieg.  You'd break your opponant with one massive attack, smashing their lines apart and cutting them off from support before grinding them into dust.  Even without being able to shut down the networks they are still trying this approach - to a varying degree of success.  The fact Earth had an organised resistance at all shows their tactics are flawed in this situation.

[BleedingUranium]

FreddyCast wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally,a nd in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere

No. They can be defeated conventionally. Period. By our forces? Probably not, but the reapers are just more advanced versions of our ships, and our ships can be defeated conventionally. (Some extragalactic species would probably be more advanced that the reapers and therefore could defeat them conventionally.)
Could we do it with the assets we have currently? No. But that's why many people believe that future DLC (starting with Leviathan) may be able to add enough assets to win in a rejection ending.

yes they can be defeated conventionally if its scenarios like 1 capital ship vs half the turian fleet, but thats never the case. if you saw the report on the spectre terminal, you saw that it said the galactic economy could only support this war for one more year tops. the reapers have had (what we have to assume is) nearly an infinite amount of time to perfect the methods they use to wage war. they have the best guns. period. the have the best shields. period. they have greater numbers. period. they have the best tactics. period. what we saw on priority earth (our fleets and ground forces taking a massive beating) was with a united galaxy.

im not saying the leviathan dlc couldnt change anything, if bioware wrote it well enough im sure it could be perfect. but if just having one old reaper turns the tide of a war like this, im going to be dissapointed. if leviathan has some sort of virus, or special tactic/weakness to use against the reapers, id be all for that. im not saying im against bioware putting in a conventional victory option, but the way things are now, it wouldnt make any sense.
 the best scenario i can think of is that we wouldnt have been able to win a convential war against the soviets just because a few pilots with some MiGs defected, theyd have to have something special to make a difference

As ITers, we agree there must be a new ending. Therefore, we must come up with a way to defeat the Reapers. NOT by ignoring the Crucible completely NOR by going head to head with the Reapers. I believe there should be a combination of both a united galaxy and new strategies (which is how Javik's cycle fell b/c they were not united and they only had one way of fighting and could not think of other ways to fight, thus the desparate attempt at building the Crucible), as well as using the Crucible (not ignoring what the Catalyst said about the Crucible, except for those three horrible options) in some way since what Shep experienced was just a dream, and thus, we still have no idea what the Crucible actually does. The Crucible can be our Superweapon, all Starships can have an upgraded Thanix cannon (maybe call it Thor cannon, b/c of human design improvement maybe), and we learn of new unconventional ways to fight since all species are unique (Example, Nuclear warfare)
Why do you think the Reapers attacked the the Nuclear missile silos. Because it was a threat. A weapon powerful enough to destroy them.
What do you guys think?

They also destroyed an Asari-Human supercollider so big it was a ring around a planet before engaging the fleet in that system. Yes, the supercollider was somehow a bigger threat

[BansheeOwnage]

munnellyladt wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

So played through the ending again....anyone ever get a green destroy ending?

No, but I did get an invert colours ending the first time I played the game. Totally confused me even more than the confusing endings themselves. (Okay nothing could confuse me as much as the ME3 endings  but it added to it).

Thats happened to me too.

I also once had a playthrough where all the pre-rendered movies (like the stuff with all the shuttles in London, the space battle, and the end movies) decided they were only gonna play at like 50% of normal speed. So that was fun.

Whats up with all these ending bugs?

You think they would have fixed them by now.

Endings and beginnings of stories are generally pretty important. Oddly, in ME3, that's where most bugs are.

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
In this case conventional just means standard tactics. As Hackett said, a full frontal assault. Hit and run, ramming ships at FTL, putting nukes inside Reapers, which were all done to great effect, are not conventional tactics. I believe the Reapers can be beaten without the Crucible, just not in the full frontal assault the fleet did at the end.

Yep.  It would be mega bloody, and possibly leave the Galaxy a smoking ruin even if the Reapers are defeated.  But I think its possible.

Reaper warfare is all Shock and Awe, akin to a WW2 Blitzkrieg.  You'd break your opponant with one massive attack, smashing their lines apart and cutting them off from support before grinding them into dust.  Even without being able to shut down the networks they are still trying this approach - to a varying degree of success.  The fact Earth had an organised resistance at all shows their tactics are flawed in this situation.

Exactly! [/Anderson]

ME3 is supposed to take about four and a half months, so if there are still organized anything on Earth after that long...

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Everytime someone says the united races can beat the Reapers if they just stick together and believe in sunshine and rainbows and butterflies, I want to projectile vomit. I imagine it's how the literalists feel when they see IT. I just keep smacking my forehead muttering "where did you get such a ridiculous idea?!"

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one.  I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has.  Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

[Andromidius]

BleedingUranium wrote...

ME3 is supposed to take about four and a half months, so if there are still organized anything on Earth after that long...

Unless they are led by indoctrinated agents, and they want the resistance to exist to help lure in the allied fleets.

Pure speculation, but its the only alternative.  Either they Reapers are incompetant at dealing with small-scale warfare, or they want the resistance to exist for their own plans.

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Everytime someone says the united races can beat the Reapers if they just stick together and believe in sunshine and rainbows and butterflies, I want to projectile vomit. I imagine it's how the literalists feel when they see IT. I just keep smacking my forehead muttering "where did you get such a ridiculous idea?!"

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one.  I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has.  Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Defeating a superior foes (or foes) is pretty much what makes all heroic stories, since forever. Not only do I think, using unconventional tactics, we could defeat the Reapers, also remember that this is fiction, and while it may be darker than most, it's not a tragedy.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

FreddyCast wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally,a nd in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere

No. They can be defeated conventionally. Period. By our forces? Probably not, but the reapers are just more advanced versions of our ships, and our ships can be defeated conventionally. (Some extragalactic species would probably be more advanced that the reapers and therefore could defeat them conventionally.)
Could we do it with the assets we have currently? No. But that's why many people believe that future DLC (starting with Leviathan) may be able to add enough assets to win in a rejection ending.

yes they can be defeated conventionally if its scenarios like 1 capital ship vs half the turian fleet, but thats never the case. if you saw the report on the spectre terminal, you saw that it said the galactic economy could only support this war for one more year tops. the reapers have had (what we have to assume is) nearly an infinite amount of time to perfect the methods they use to wage war. they have the best guns. period. the have the best shields. period. they have greater numbers. period. they have the best tactics. period. what we saw on priority earth (our fleets and ground forces taking a massive beating) was with a united galaxy.

im not saying the leviathan dlc couldnt change anything, if bioware wrote it well enough im sure it could be perfect. but if just having one old reaper turns the tide of a war like this, im going to be dissapointed. if leviathan has some sort of virus, or special tactic/weakness to use against the reapers, id be all for that. im not saying im against bioware putting in a conventional victory option, but the way things are now, it wouldnt make any sense.
 the best scenario i can think of is that we wouldnt have been able to win a convential war against the soviets just because a few pilots with some MiGs defected, theyd have to have something special to make a difference

As ITers, we agree there must be a new ending. Therefore, we must come up with a way to defeat the Reapers. NOT by ignoring the Crucible completely NOR by going head to head with the Reapers. I believe there should be a combination of both a united galaxy and new strategies (which is how Javik's cycle fell b/c they were not united and they only had one way of fighting and could not think of other ways to fight, thus the desparate attempt at building the Crucible), as well as using the Crucible (not ignoring what the Catalyst said about the Crucible, except for those three horrible options) in some way since what Shep experienced was just a dream, and thus, we still have no idea what the Crucible actually does. The Crucible can be our Superweapon, all Starships can have an upgraded Thanix cannon (maybe call it Thor cannon, b/c of human design improvement maybe), and we learn of new unconventional ways to fight since all species are unique (Example, Nuclear warfare)
Why do you think the Reapers attacked the the Nuclear missile silos. Because it was a threat. A weapon powerful enough to destroy them.
What do you guys think?

I might have been ok with an ending where Harb tries to "assume direct control" and Shepard pulls a Saren which kills Harbinger and (somehow) shuts down the reapers.

The only way to pull this off and have Shep live is probably to have Shepard win a mind battle (a conventional battle that is really hard and you must win against huge odds...but in Shep's mind). Could this possibly be turned into Shepard kinda sorta killing Harbinger and then whatever.

Now that I think about it, it sounds kind of corny 

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ME3 is supposed to take about four and a half months, so if there are still organized anything on Earth after that long...

Unless they are led by indoctrinated agents, and they want the resistance to exist to help lure in the allied fleets.

Pure speculation, but its the only alternative.  Either they Reapers are incompetant at dealing with small-scale warfare, or they want the resistance to exist for their own plans.

Which comes back to Coats almost certainly being indoctrinated, and Anderson quite possibly being indoctrinated.

[FreddyCast]

YES! EXACTLY! The entire series they've pounded it into our heads that we CANNOT win a toe-to-toe fight with the Reapers. And what do people take away from it all? "Hackett thinks there's no hope in conventional warfare, he must be indoctrinated."

Here's some math. The Leviathan of Dis was dated at about a billion years old. The writers said the Reapers don't usually lose even one capital ship per cycle. So even if we assume they lose one every other cycle, we're left at the conservative estimate of 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3-4 dreadnoughts to bring down one capital ship. Do you think we have 40,000 dreadnoughts? Because I sure as hell don't. Last I heard the estimate was around 200 for all organic species total. And that's not even counting the Destroyers which "make up the bulk of the Reaper forces." But yeah, we can totally win this by sticking together and believing in the power of love or something.

*sigh* I need to take up alcoholism.[/quote]
And this is why you have been indoctrinated by Bioware into believing you can't defeat the Reapers without using their "artistic vision", I mean the godbrat's choices.
Throughout human history, we've had people defeating the impossible odds. Look at Alexander the Great or the Israeli conflicts. Don't you tell me it's impossible.
And I'm not asking for a conventional win. I'm asking for a Crucible, upgraded weapons, cooperation of all species, unconventional victory.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

Here's some math. The Leviathan of Dis was dated at about a billion years old. The writers said the Reapers don't usually lose even one capital ship per cycle. So even if we assume they lose one every other cycle, we're left at the conservative estimate of 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3-4 dreadnoughts to bring down one capital ship. Do you think we have 40,000 dreadnoughts? Because I sure as hell don't. Last I heard the estimate was around 200 for all organic species total. And that's not even counting the Destroyers which "make up the bulk of the Reaper forces." But yeah, we can totally win this by sticking together and believing in the power of love or something.

*sigh* I need to take up alcoholism.

IMHO the "billion years old" is an oversight. (Please don't flame me). I think so because it makes way more sense for the reapers to be simply millions of years old. Like say 37 million. What if the derilict reaper from ME2 was the one Leviathan killed? Regardless, if they made one reaper every ~50000 years, for 37 million years, they would have ~750 Capital ships. This seems much more realistic to me. And I'm pretty sure the bulk of the reaper armada is at Earth in the final battle. They definitely don't have 10000 ships.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Everytime someone says the united races can beat the Reapers if they just stick together and believe in sunshine and rainbows and butterflies, I want to projectile vomit. I imagine it's how the literalists feel when they see IT. I just keep smacking my forehead muttering "where did you get such a ridiculous idea?!"

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one.  I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has.  Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

And Sovereign is the most arrogant character in Mass Effect...

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

ME3 is supposed to take about four and a half months, so if there are still organized anything on Earth after that long...

Unless they are led by indoctrinated agents, and they want the resistance to exist to help lure in the allied fleets.

Pure speculation, but its the only alternative.  Either they Reapers are incompetant at dealing with small-scale warfare, or they want the resistance to exist for their own plans.

Well, to be fair to the reapers, husks do suck.

[BleedingUranium]

FreddyCast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

YES! EXACTLY! The entire series they've pounded it into our heads that we CANNOT win a toe-to-toe fight with the Reapers. And what do people take away from it all? "Hackett thinks there's no hope in conventional warfare, he must be indoctrinated."

Here's some math. The Leviathan of Dis was dated at about a billion years old. The writers said the Reapers don't usually lose even one capital ship per cycle. So even if we assume they lose one every other cycle, we're left at the conservative estimate of 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3-4 dreadnoughts to bring down one capital ship. Do you think we have 40,000 dreadnoughts? Because I sure as hell don't. Last I heard the estimate was around 200 for all organic species total. And that's not even counting the Destroyers which "make up the bulk of the Reaper forces." But yeah, we can totally win this by sticking together and believing in the power of love or something.

*sigh* I need to take up alcoholism.

And this is why you have been indoctrinated by Bioware into believing you can't defeat the Reapers without using their "artistic vision", I mean the godbrat's choices.
Throughout human history, we've had people defeating the impossible odds. Look at Alexander the Great or the Israeli conflicts. Don't you tell me it's impossible.
And I'm not asking for a conventional win. I'm asking for a Crucible, upgraded weapons, cooperation of all species, unconventional victory.

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:07 .

[jgibson14352]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Everytime someone says the united races can beat the Reapers if they just stick together and believe in sunshine and rainbows and butterflies, I want to projectile vomit. I imagine it's how the literalists feel when they see IT. I just keep smacking my forehead muttering "where did you get such a ridiculous idea?!"

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one.  I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has.  Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Defeating a superior foes (or foes) is pretty much what makes all heroic stories, since forever. Not only do I think, using unconventional tactics, we could defeat the Reapers, also remember that this is fiction, and while it may be darker than most, it's not a tragedy.

based on the current endings, i disagree. but seriously, if leviathan is one of the oldest reapers, and like rifneno says, if its only 1 billion years old, that means that the reapers have 20,000 capital ships alone, and that is in the minority of their forces.
look, sometimes david beats goliath, yes, but david doesnt stand a chance against cthulu. thats literally what this relates too. the enemy not only has an absolutely MASSIVE numbers advantage, theyve had billions of years to perfect everything about themselves. that, and our societies evolve along the paths they desire. they set us up to be knocked down. with one hack, they can not only know everything we put in a computer, but can control it too, like what happened at Kar'shan. sure you can hit and run for a little while, but the reapers are destroying the means of life. you wont be able to get food, the reapers have destroyed the farms. you wont be able to establish communications, the reapers would know where you are. you cant have kids, theyre weak and slow and would most likely be killed. you cant keep fighting forever, all the reapers have to do is be near you or someone in your team and whoever gets indoctrinated first will tell the reapers all about your plans to hit and run, and then theyll kill everyone on the team. you cant win without some kind of major advantage. there is simply no way.
sure, "the swamp fox" was able to beat back a british occupation during the revolutionalry war, but the british had weaknesses, you know, like supply lines. the reapers dont. the british needed to sleep and eat, so they wouldnt destroy the means of producing food. the reapers will.
you simply cannot defeat an overwhelming superior force without some kind of overwhelming advantage

[BansheeOwnage]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I might have been ok with an ending where Harb tries to "assume direct control" and Shepard pulls a Saren which kills Harbinger and (somehow) shuts down the reapers.

The only way to pull this off and have Shep live is probably to have Shepard win a mind battle (a conventional battle that is really hard and you must win against huge odds...but in Shep's mind). Could this possibly be turned into Shepard kinda sorta killing Harbinger and then whatever.

Now that I think about it, it sounds kind of corny 

Well I know that you don't introduce an awesome new villain for an entire game, then in the sequel have him not only not speak ever,

but also not get defeated by the hero? The literal ending begs the questions:
What was the point of ME2?
What was the point of Arrival?
What was the point of most of ME1?
What was the point of most of ME3?
What was the point of the series?

[FreddyCast]

BleedingUranium wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

YES! EXACTLY! The entire series they've pounded it into our heads that we CANNOT win a toe-to-toe fight with the Reapers. And what do people take away from it all? "Hackett thinks there's no hope in conventional warfare, he must be indoctrinated."

Here's some math. The Leviathan of Dis was dated at about a billion years old. The writers said the Reapers don't usually lose even one capital ship per cycle. So even if we assume they lose one every other cycle, we're left at the conservative estimate of 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3-4 dreadnoughts to bring down one capital ship. Do you think we have 40,000 dreadnoughts? Because I sure as hell don't. Last I heard the estimate was around 200 for all organic species total. And that's not even counting the Destroyers which "make up the bulk of the Reaper forces." But yeah, we can totally win this by sticking together and believing in the power of love or something.

*sigh* I need to take up alcoholism.

And this is why you have been indoctrinated by Bioware into believing you can't defeat the Reapers without using their "artistic vision", I mean the godbrat's choices.
Throughout human history, we've had people defeating the impossible odds. Look at Alexander the Great or the Israeli conflicts. Don't you tell me it's impossible.
And I'm not asking for a conventional win. I'm asking for a Crucible, upgraded weapons, cooperation of all species, unconventional victory.

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

Oh man, I don't want people to confuse me with rifneno.  Your post is showing that I wrote the "Yes Exactly" statement. That was Rifneno, I was responding to his post.

Edit: My bad, the computer is acting up again.

Modifié par FreddyCast, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:12 .

[Arian Dynas]

smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.

Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? 

Putting IT hat

Probably because the emotional weight of the scene would have distracted people from the fact that the entire exchange between Shepard and "Anderson" was in his head....I mean Shepard is talking to himself right... or part of his mind... his ID perhaps?

Anderson is also lying in that scene.

He does have a wife and son. His son is an aerospace engineer, his wife divorced him and remarried years back. You can find a datapad (on Mars I think if my memory serves me correctly) that says as much.

Why would he lie? Because he's not real and it's based on Shepard's perception of him.

[BansheeOwnage]

Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.

Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? 

Putting IT hat

Probably because the emotional weight of the scene would have distracted people from the fact that the entire exchange between Shepard and "Anderson" was in his head....I mean Shepard is talking to himself right... or part of his mind... his ID perhaps?

Anderson is also lying in that scene.

He does have a wife and son. His son is an aerospace engineer, his wife divorced him and remarried years back. You can find a datapad (on Mars I think if my memory serves me correctly) that says as much.

Why would he lie? Because he's not real and it's based on Shepard's perception of him.

Must have missed that datapad. Do you know exactly (lol) where it is?

Edit: Keep in mind that was cut. But that means it was one hell of an oversight.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:15 .

[Arian Dynas]

paxxton wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I sacrificed much more. Links to UNIT and RSDT.

You're not a fellow ITer anymore...? ... ...

The sacrifice is only temporary. As soon as I find a way to successfully insert hypertextual links in the sig the wealth of my highly acclaimed ME3 theories will be again available to all the people of good will.

You can select a bit of text, then click the link button in the form, it looks like a chain with globe behind it, copy and paste the URL into the box and then  when someone clicks that text they are taken to the link.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.