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[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I might have been ok with an ending where Harb tries to "assume direct control" and Shepard pulls a Saren which kills Harbinger and (somehow) shuts down the reapers.

The only way to pull this off and have Shep live is probably to have Shepard win a mind battle (a conventional battle that is really hard and you must win against huge odds...but in Shep's mind). Could this possibly be turned into Shepard kinda sorta killing Harbinger and then whatever.

Now that I think about it, it sounds kind of corny 

Well I know that you don't introduce an awesome new villain for an entire game, then in the sequel have him not only not speak ever,

but also not get defeated by the hero? The literal ending begs the questions:
What was the point of ME2?
What was the point of Arrival?
What was the point of most of ME1?
What was the point of most of ME3?
What was the point of the series?

I just went to watch the video of Shep talking to Harby and was amused to see my comment as the top comment.

I still figure that the reason in my comment is why Harby doesnt talk in ME3.

Modifié par byne, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:21 .

[Arian Dynas]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Is it just me or since the EC was released we've been discussing the literal sense of the ending more often than the IT interpretation?

That makes sense though. Besides, we all know about the IT interpretation.

Why? Is it because the EC expanded ending makes more sense than the original? Or has people's belief in IT weakened?

No. it is because there is nothing really new with the IT interpretation and we have already discussed it a lot. EC on the other hand provided some new info for the literal interpretation (still doesn't make much sense, but more data availible) - so now we're having a go at it. 

The only new thing added to IT was Reject, other than that it was all just weird inconsistencies and filled in plot holes.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I might have been ok with an ending where Harb tries to "assume direct control" and Shepard pulls a Saren which kills Harbinger and (somehow) shuts down the reapers.

The only way to pull this off and have Shep live is probably to have Shepard win a mind battle (a conventional battle that is really hard and you must win against huge odds...but in Shep's mind). Could this possibly be turned into Shepard kinda sorta killing Harbinger and then whatever.

Now that I think about it, it sounds kind of corny 

Well I know that you don't introduce an awesome new villain for an entire game, then in the sequel have him not only not speak ever,

but also not get defeated by the hero? The literal ending begs the questions:
What was the point of ME2?
What was the point of Arrival?
What was the point of most of ME1?
What was the point of most of ME3?
What was the point of the series?

I just went to watch the video of Shep talking to Harby and was amused to see my comment as the top comment.

I still figure that the reaon in my comment is why Harby doesnt talk in ME3.

Ha! That's awesome. Also, Kaidan's comment is kinda funny too.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Huh.

I came to a similar conclusion, and I am NOT a Ballistician.

Interesting.

To expand upon that, the idea I had proposed was that the missile is accelerated to relativistic speeds and upon striking the target, a shaped charge liquifies a metallic core, exploding and superheating it, spraying it across the surface of the target like, well an extremely wet spitwad. 

To expand upon the idea, I would also add a secondary charge, encased perhaps in an extremely hard metallic case, designed to be pushed into the target by the shaped charge, the sprayed metals softening up the enemy, the hard metallic case then fires the secondary charge, liquifying another metallic core and causing a similar effect on the inside of the target.

But, well I could be completely talking out of my ass here so...

You wouldn't be yourself if you didn't, Arian.

I keed, I keed. And I'm not an profession-based ballistic specialist, but I've studied ballistics- practical, mathematical, physics; internal, external and terminal, etc.- and employed them in the field enough that I've managed to give some medical professionals advice on forms of shock and trauma that are otherwise mysteries to the field in this area.

As to what your suggest, this is known as a tandem effect. However, based on contemporary performance, the high explosive charge will generally come first to destabilize the armor or detonate reactive armor, the latter being designed to thrust away the projectile. After that, the molten fluid will be launched and rely upon its own energy to breach the barrier and destroy the internals of the vehicle, crew and all. The exception to this rule tends to be "Squash Heads" which are basically high velocity chunks of malleable high-energy explosive that smash on impact, then expode through the barrier in which they are applied to. Such an effect would likely not be needed on an anti-vehicular device, given the properties of the Thanix. If the Thanix Missle were designed to take out buildings, as well as vehicles, that would be a different story.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Does anyone think my stupid(ish) mental fight with Harbinger would provide a viable ending? Besides being a little corny, it does follow most literary concepts such as where the hero is the one to beat the villain(s).

[FreddyCast]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.

This is why we are NOT asking for a conventional victory, We are asking for an unconventional Victory having to do with galactic cooperation of all species, new strategies to fight Reapers, getting weapon upgrades for the Starships, using the Crucible as a superweapon to take into battle everytime we encounter Reapers, using Nuclear Warfare, supercolliders, anything that was a threat to the Reapers to use against them. Plain and simple. We know the odds, we are taking advantage of evry resource we have to use against them. Reaper numbers don't matter.

[BansheeOwnage]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Does anyone think my stupid(ish) mental fight with Harbinger would provide a viable ending? Besides being a little corny, it does follow most literary concepts such as where the hero is the one to beat the villain(s).

To be honest I don't know how we could pull off a win. You idea seems to work except the codex says that flaw was fixed. (But was it really? Harbinger still needed to RELEASE CONTROL of the collector general before it died). I always thought we might fight Harby with the Normandy and possibly go inside him and destroy him (akin to the derelict reaper in ME2. Maybe Harby is a weak link for the reapers? Cut the head off the snake? I don't know.

[BansheeOwnage]

FreddyCast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.

This is why we are NOT asking for a conventional victory, We are asking for an unconventional Victory having to do with galactic cooperation of all species, new strategies to fight Reapers, getting weapon upgrades for the Starships, using the Crucible as a superweapon to take into battle everytime we encounter Reapers, using Nuclear Warfare, supercolliders, anything that was a threat to the Reapers to use against them. Plain and simple. We know the odds, we are taking advantage of evry resource we have to use against them. Reaper numbers don't matter.

Did anyone actually read my post about how I don't think there are 10000 reapers? Anyway I'll be back later.

[BleedingUranium]

FreddyCast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.

This is why we are NOT asking for a conventional victory, We are asking for an unconventional Victory having to do with galactic cooperation of all species, new strategies to fight Reapers, getting weapon upgrades for the Starships, using the Crucible as a superweapon to take into battle everytime we encounter Reapers, using Nuclear Warfare, supercolliders, anything that was a threat to the Reapers to use against them. Plain and simple. We know the odds, we are taking advantage of evry resource we have to use against them. Reaper numbers don't matter.

Well said

[Lokanaiya]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.

Conventional warfare, in a straight up fight? No, definitely not.

Unconventional warfare, like guerilla, hit-and-run attacks, kamikaze, and maybe even blowing up a few relays? Yes. Costly, dangerous, but possible. Earn Your Happy Ending to the max.

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.

This is why we are NOT asking for a conventional victory, We are asking for an unconventional Victory having to do with galactic cooperation of all species, new strategies to fight Reapers, getting weapon upgrades for the Starships, using the Crucible as a superweapon to take into battle everytime we encounter Reapers, using Nuclear Warfare, supercolliders, anything that was a threat to the Reapers to use against them. Plain and simple. We know the odds, we are taking advantage of evry resource we have to use against them. Reaper numbers don't matter.

Did anyone actually read my post about how I don't think there are 10000 reapers? Anyway I'll be back later.

I did!

[FreddyCast]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.

This is why we are NOT asking for a conventional victory, We are asking for an unconventional Victory having to do with galactic cooperation of all species, new strategies to fight Reapers, getting weapon upgrades for the Starships, using the Crucible as a superweapon to take into battle everytime we encounter Reapers, using Nuclear Warfare, supercolliders, anything that was a threat to the Reapers to use against them. Plain and simple. We know the odds, we are taking advantage of evry resource we have to use against them. Reaper numbers don't matter.

Did anyone actually read my post about how I don't think there are 10000 reapers? Anyway I'll be back later.

Yes. I did. But even if it was just 1,000 sovereign class Reapers or 200, they still have the upper-hand in a head to head fight, and thus, must be defeated through other means with cooperation, greater firepower, new tactics, and the Crucible.

Modifié par FreddyCast, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:34 .

[demersel]

No wait a minute! I don't know what game series you've been playing, but in the mass effect trilogy I played if there was one common thing and one idea hammered into you - is that you can't give up without a fight, you shouldn't consider yourself defeated before the fight actually starts. Those are exactly the words shaperd shouts at Saren! " You could have fought! You could have resisted! But no! you chose to give in with out a fight!'

Repeatedly in Mass Effect 1 you are told that you are insignificant, and that your actions change nothing. WE HAVE PROVED IT WRONG. Sovereign is dead. Reapers are delayed! And francly not becouse of some fleet, but because of some dude with a gun! Even one man fighting can make a difference. It took 1 (ONE) frigate and a strike team of 13 (THIRTEEN) - to take down THE WHOLE COLLECTOR BASE. Which was kinda huge and had LIMETLESS collecters in it. AND RESPAWING HERBINGER. It was done. It only took one man do destroy the alpha relay. (a thing that was before considered indestructible). And its not that it was terribly hard.

Resistance on earth is still there after 6 moths of undisputed reaper control. Palaven is still fighting.

It took a strike team of 3 men to destroy the GETH dreadnought.

And really don't you forget. Sheaprd did kill a reaper with his own hand. The derelict reaper - remember? It took just a team of three to board it, and to literally shoot from a simple handgun. AND IT DIED.

In war there is never a magic button, that you push, and kill all enemies. Or desable them. OR push a button - and suddenly - peace! and everybody happpy.

You fight a war. You fight it with ships, guns, knives, sticks, stones, nails, teeth - whatever you have.

Remember Starship Troopers? What good is a knife in a nuclear war? )))

Remember No country for old men? here's a quote for you.

"You know Charlie Walser? Has the place east of Sanderson? Well you know how they used to slaughter beeves, hit 'em with a maul right here to stun 'em... and then up and slit their throats? Well here Charlie has one trussed up and all set to drain him and the beef comes to. It starts thrashing around, six hundred pounds of very pissed-off livestock if you'll pardon me... Charlie grabs his gun there to shoot the damn thing in the head but what with the swingin' and twistin' it's a glance-shot and ricochets around and comes back hits Charlie in the shoulder. You go see Charlie, he still can't reach up with his right hand for his hat... Point bein', even in the contest between man and steer the issue is not certain."

Guns don't work on reapers? Fine! Lets' throw asteroids into them! Lure them into a system - and destroy the system throwing some huge rock into a mass relay. 

Lost a planet to reapers? No hope of getting it back? Crush some moon into it! That will show them! 

mount some engines on the asteroids fill them with infantry and use those asteroids as missiles! 

Have you noticed that reapers can shoot only at one thing at a time! Come at them fromm different sides! Crush ships into them, Get some infanry inside of them AND have them SHOOT the core from their avengers untill they are dead!  

Modifié par demersel, 13 juillet 2012 - 01:43 .

[jgibson14352]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

No-one ever mentioned rainbows or sunshine, stop strawmanning.

And yes, its a ridulous idea to think an inferior force can defeat a superior one. I mean its never happened before, has it?

Oh wait, it has. Hubris comes before the fall, after all.

Is this the part where I have to explain for the eight hundred thousandth time the difference between a country attempting to occupy another country and an alien force attempting to completely wipe out a species with a tiny fraction of their tech?

Hubris comes before the fall indeed, Mr. "we can totally beat the alien mega-horde that's been harvesting entire civilizations for a billion years". Hubris indeed.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Believing the constant "We can't defeat the Reapers without the Crucible" is the same as believing all the crap you hear Reapers actually saying, that they have no beginning or end, they are above our comprehention, that they're basically gods. Saying we can't defeat them is what again? Something about superstitious awe?

I never said they can't be defeated. I said they can't be defeated in a straight up fight, conventional warfare. It's like Independence Day. They didn't win that with a straight up fight, they used a magic Mac with a USB-to-alien mothership converter port. A kind of retarded finish to the story but you get the jist of it. We need to find some weakness to exploit to level the playing field.

Conventional warfare, in a straight up fight? No, definitely not.

Unconventional warfare, like guerilla, hit-and-run attacks, kamikaze, and maybe even blowing up a few relays? Yes. Costly, dangerous, but possible. Earn Your Happy Ending to the max.

i posted what i believe to be a solid answer to this last page

[Arian Dynas]

Andromidius wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, and in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere, and that was with a united galaxy

Conventionally, no.  Unconventionally, yes.

In a straight up battle the Reapers will always win.  But throw a curve ball, use hit-and-run tactics, kamakazi runs...  Its shown that breaking the mold from normal tactics seems to work against Reapers - still heavy in cost, but it results in a pound-for-pound deathtoil.

Fighting Reapers 'conventionally' would be like if the Revolutionaries tried to fight a regular line-battle war with the British during the War of Independance.  Every time they tried, they got crushed.  But they still won the war.

Do not say the Reapers cannot be defeated conventionally. They can. Period. The Reapers are vulnuerable to conventional weapons and they die like everyone else.

They CAN be defeated conventionally.

Whether WE have the means to do so however is another matter altogether. The Reapers can be defeated conventionally, but we lack the sufficient numbers, technology and resources to do so.

[byne]

Arian, while you're here, I need to tell you that if I dont show up for the next few days, you're in charge. Dont make me disappoint.

I'm going out of town tomorrow and wont be back until Monday night. I dont know if I'll have internet access or not, so you're in charge if not.

[Dam0299]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Here's some math. The Leviathan of Dis was dated at about a billion years old. The writers said the Reapers don't usually lose even one capital ship per cycle. So even if we assume they lose one every other cycle, we're left at the conservative estimate of 10,000 capital ships. It takes 3-4 dreadnoughts to bring down one capital ship. Do you think we have 40,000 dreadnoughts? Because I sure as hell don't. Last I heard the estimate was around 200 for all organic species total. And that's not even counting the Destroyers which "make up the bulk of the Reaper forces." But yeah, we can totally win this by sticking together and believing in the power of love or something.

*sigh* I need to take up alcoholism.

IMHO the "billion years old" is an oversight. (Please don't flame me). I think so because it makes way more sense for the reapers to be simply millions of years old. Like say 37 million. What if the derilict reaper from ME2 was the one Leviathan killed? Regardless, if they made one reaper every ~50000 years, for 37 million years, they would have ~750 Capital ships. This seems much more realistic to me. And I'm pretty sure the bulk of the reaper armada is at Earth in the final battle. They definitely don't have 10000 ships.

While we do not really know how old the oldest reaper really is, currently. We have to at least assume the the Leviathan is at least older then 37 million (if they did tests then thats a pretty big stretch from 1 billion to 37 million, and they call themselves scientists ). But you seem to forget that the bulk of the reaper forces are NOT at earth, just before you return to the Sol system after storming the Illusive mans base, the galaxy map shows that the reapers are invading/occupied EVERY star system on the map, save for the one the illusive mans base was in. If i was to guess they would have a bit more then 750 capital ships, though i agree 10000 would be a stretch.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Arian, while you're here, I need to tell you that if I dont show up for the next few days, you're in charge. Dont make me disappoint.

I'm going out of town tomorrow and wont be back until Monday night. I dont know if I'll have internet access or not, so you're in charge if not.

See ya Byne

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian, while you're here, I need to tell you that if I dont show up for the next few days, you're in charge. Dont make me disappoint.

I'm going out of town tomorrow and wont be back until Monday night. I dont know if I'll have internet access or not, so you're in charge if not.

See ya Byne

Well I'm not leaving right now!

[SSPBOURNE]

He was dead the entire time after the Normandy explosion.
God, 1793 pages. I bet that's been said dozens of times.

[demersel]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, do you know a thread that explains whether defeating the Reapers is possible through conventional and/or unconventional means.

I don't know of one, but the answer is quite obvious. The reapers are not gods, they can be defeated conventionally.

definately not. its stated several times throughout the series that the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally, and in every reaper engagement we see, the organic forces get crushed. remember the casualty report from the FOB? it was like that everywhere, and that was with a united galaxy

Conventionally, no.  Unconventionally, yes.

In a straight up battle the Reapers will always win.  But throw a curve ball, use hit-and-run tactics, kamakazi runs...  Its shown that breaking the mold from normal tactics seems to work against Reapers - still heavy in cost, but it results in a pound-for-pound deathtoil.

Fighting Reapers 'conventionally' would be like if the Revolutionaries tried to fight a regular line-battle war with the British during the War of Independance.  Every time they tried, they got crushed.  But they still won the war.

Do not say the Reapers cannot be defeated conventionally. They can. Period. The Reapers are vulnuerable to conventional weapons and they die like everyone else.

They CAN be defeated conventionally.

Whether WE have the means to do so however is another matter altogether. The Reapers can be defeated conventionally, but we lack the sufficient numbers, technology and resources to do so.

Actually we'll never find out whether we have what it takes to beat them or we don't, unless we try it. It is not as if we just sit at the table and count our assets, and then and end of the day go like - "damn! we're 3 cruisers short, it is not enough, we'll fail.... Oh, well....guess it is up to the next cycle". When you're at war - you fight it.  

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian, while you're here, I need to tell you that if I dont show up for the next few days, you're in charge. Dont make me disappoint.

I'm going out of town tomorrow and wont be back until Monday night. I dont know if I'll have internet access or not, so you're in charge if not.

See ya Byne

Well I'm not leaving right now!

Oh

[Arian Dynas]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Huh.

I came to a similar conclusion, and I am NOT a Ballistician.

Interesting.

To expand upon that, the idea I had proposed was that the missile is accelerated to relativistic speeds and upon striking the target, a shaped charge liquifies a metallic core, exploding and superheating it, spraying it across the surface of the target like, well an extremely wet spitwad. 

To expand upon the idea, I would also add a secondary charge, encased perhaps in an extremely hard metallic case, designed to be pushed into the target by the shaped charge, the sprayed metals softening up the enemy, the hard metallic case then fires the secondary charge, liquifying another metallic core and causing a similar effect on the inside of the target.

But, well I could be completely talking out of my ass here so...

You wouldn't be yourself if you didn't, Arian.

I keed, I keed. And I'm not an profession-based ballistic specialist, but I've studied ballistics- practical, mathematical, physics; internal, external and terminal, etc.- and employed them in the field enough that I've managed to give some medical professionals advice on forms of shock and trauma that are otherwise mysteries to the field in this area.

As to what your suggest, this is known as a tandem effect. However, based on contemporary performance, the high explosive charge will generally come first to destabilize the armor or detonate reactive armor, the latter being designed to thrust away the projectile. After that, the molten fluid will be launched and rely upon its own energy to breach the barrier and destroy the internals of the vehicle, crew and all. The exception to this rule tends to be "Squash Heads" which are basically high velocity chunks of malleable high-energy explosive that smash on impact, then expode through the barrier in which they are applied to. Such an effect would likely not be needed on an anti-vehicular device, given the properties of the Thanix. If the Thanix Missle were designed to take out buildings, as well as vehicles, that would be a different story.

Well, considering the Thanix Magnetic Hydromatic Cannon itself is only about a year old by this point, I would hazard a guess that they just overbuilt the biggest, baddest nastiest bunker-busters they could get their hands on with the express intention of making Reaper killers.

T'would explain why we haven't ever seen them before, they're a prototype.

[Arian Dynas]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.

Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? 

Putting IT hat

Probably because the emotional weight of the scene would have distracted people from the fact that the entire exchange between Shepard and "Anderson" was in his head....I mean Shepard is talking to himself right... or part of his mind... his ID perhaps?

Anderson is also lying in that scene.

He does have a wife and son. His son is an aerospace engineer, his wife divorced him and remarried years back. You can find a datapad (on Mars I think if my memory serves me correctly) that says as much.

Why would he lie? Because he's not real and it's based on Shepard's perception of him.

Must have missed that datapad. Do you know exactly (lol) where it is?

Edit: Keep in mind that was cut. But that means it was one hell of an oversight.

No clue, sorry >.< 

But yeah I do agree, this was some kind of big **** up, or intentional.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...


You want to cry, do you? You're welcome.

Why did they cut that and this out?? (The male version is better IMO.) This would have been something to make it more personal and perfect to add with EC. WHY BIOWARE??? WHY? 

Putting IT hat

Probably because the emotional weight of the scene would have distracted people from the fact that the entire exchange between Shepard and "Anderson" was in his head....I mean Shepard is talking to himself right... or part of his mind... his ID perhaps?

Anderson is also lying in that scene.

He does have a wife and son. His son is an aerospace engineer, his wife divorced him and remarried years back. You can find a datapad (on Mars I think if my memory serves me correctly) that says as much.

Why would he lie? Because he's not real and it's based on Shepard's perception of him.

Must have missed that datapad. Do you know exactly (lol) where it is?

Edit: Keep in mind that was cut. But that means it was one hell of an oversight.

No clue, sorry >.< 

But yeah I do agree, this was some kind of big **** up, or intentional.

Think about it. According to IT, Anderson isnt really there. He's constructed from Shepard's memories of Anderson.

We may know that Anderson had a family, but does Shepard? Given that she didnt know he was born in London, I'd say its pretty likely that she doesnt know much, if anything, about Anderson's past, and thus would assume that Anderson never had a family.

Dont you love how IT can provide an explanation for basically every plothole in the game, even ones that were technically cut from the game?