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TJBartlemus wrote...

Is it really this slow we are making lame jokes? Speculation fuel, please BioWare!! Fill our thread with speculation!!

So we have determined that the predator in cinematics is related to positive and the carnifex in cinematics is related to negative. So when the carnifex changes when the shockwave hits shepard in destroy does that mean that the destroy seems negative but really it's positive? Or that you finally are released from the Reaper's control/ perception change? :? :blush:




Well, I've never really seen the Predator as being positive, exactly, but more representative of free will and redemption, since Saren, TIM, and even Fai Dan (who was controlled by the Thorian, not the Reapers) all used it to break free of them and redeem themselves.

I think Jacob's dad can also shoot himself in the head with a Predator, and he's doing so since its really the only way he can redeem himself for the things hes done if you choose the renegade option

I find it interesting that the other two people who shoot themselves in the head (Samara and Admiral Raan if Tali died in ME2 and you side with the geth in ME3) use a Phalanx and Shuriken respectively, and not a Predator. They are killing themselves for reasons other than breaking free of some kind of control, and thusly dont use Predators.

Modifié par byne, 13 juillet 2012 - 04:52 .


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byne wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Is it really this slow we are making lame jokes? Speculation fuel, please BioWare!! Fill our thread with speculation!!

So we have determined that the predator in cinematics is related to positive and the carnifex in cinematics is related to negative. So when the carnifex changes when the shockwave hits shepard in destroy does that mean that the destroy seems negative but really it's positive? Or that you finally are released from the Reaper's control/ perception change? :? :blush:




Well, I've never really seen the Predator as being positive, exactly, but more representative of free will and redemption, since Saren, TIM, and even Fai Dan (who was controlled by the Thorian, not the Reapers) all used it to break free of them and redeem themselves.

I think Jacob's dad can also shoot himself in the head with a Predator, and he's doing so since its really the only way he can redeem himself for the things hes done if you choose the renegade option

I find it interesting that the other two people who shoot themselves in the head (Samara and Admiral Raan if Tali died in ME2 and you side with the geth in ME3) use a Phalanx and Shuriken respectively, and not a Predator. They are killing themselves for reasons other than breaking free of some kind of control, and thusly dont use Predators.



I did not know Raan could die. But I also would like to know what happened to Grreal?

Sorry misspelld his name.

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masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Is it really this slow we are making lame jokes? Speculation fuel, please BioWare!! Fill our thread with speculation!!

So we have determined that the predator in cinematics is related to positive and the carnifex in cinematics is related to negative. So when the carnifex changes when the shockwave hits shepard in destroy does that mean that the destroy seems negative but really it's positive? Or that you finally are released from the Reaper's control/ perception change? :? :blush:




Well, I've never really seen the Predator as being positive, exactly, but more representative of free will and redemption, since Saren, TIM, and even Fai Dan (who was controlled by the Thorian, not the Reapers) all used it to break free of them and redeem themselves.

I think Jacob's dad can also shoot himself in the head with a Predator, and he's doing so since its really the only way he can redeem himself for the things hes done if you choose the renegade option

I find it interesting that the other two people who shoot themselves in the head (Samara and Admiral Raan if Tali died in ME2 and you side with the geth in ME3) use a Phalanx and Shuriken respectively, and not a Predator. They are killing themselves for reasons other than breaking free of some kind of control, and thusly dont use Predators.



I did not know Raan could die. But I also would like to know what happened to Grreal?

Sorry misspelld his name.


Well, I figure, since you're siding with the geth, he dies when his ship gets blown up.

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I really love the gun theory and it would make pretty good sense. Most of the gun changes seem deliberate.

Sadly, however, Shepard's guns change randomly to the avenger and predator throughout the game in cutscenes. Even scenes that have little importance change the weapon randomly. It might just be a game mechanic. The only time I can really remember Shepard's weapons being changed was when you meet TIM on Mars. Come to think of it, a predator would make sense if you were seeing TIM. I think Shep used an avenger in this scene. And now I'm partly confused.

It's this kind of stuff that makes me speculate the speculation about the guns, It certainly looks/sounds great AND works in the ending. But, during the rest of the game it happens (seemingly) randomly.

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Sorry I mean if you unit the Geth and quariens. Why is he not an assent.

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masster blaster wrote...

Sorry I mean if you unit the Geth and quariens. Why is he not an assent.



I figure he isnt personally an asset because you get his entire fleet as an asset.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I really love the gun theory and it would make pretty good sense. Most of the gun changes seem deliberate.

Sadly, however, Shepard's guns change randomly to the avenger and predator throughout the game in cutscenes. Even scenes that have little importance change the weapon randomly. It might just be a game mechanic. The only time I can really remember Shepard's weapons being changed was when you meet TIM on Mars. Come to think of it, a predator would make sense if you were seeing TIM. I think Shep used an avenger in this scene. And now I'm partly confused.

It's this kind of stuff that makes me speculate the speculation about the guns, It certainly looks/sounds great AND works in the ending. But, during the rest of the game it happens (seemingly) randomly.


The Avenger is an assualt rifle and the Predator is a pistol. There's a big difference. Did you mean to say the Carnifex and Predator change randomly?

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I really love the gun theory and it would make pretty good sense. Most of the gun changes seem deliberate.

Sadly, however, Shepard's guns change randomly to the avenger and predator throughout the game in cutscenes. Even scenes that have little importance change the weapon randomly. It might just be a game mechanic. The only time I can really remember Shepard's weapons being changed was when you meet TIM on Mars. Come to think of it, a predator would make sense if you were seeing TIM. I think Shep used an avenger in this scene. And now I'm partly confused.

It's this kind of stuff that makes me speculate the speculation about the guns, It certainly looks/sounds great AND works in the ending. But, during the rest of the game it happens (seemingly) randomly.


The Avenger is an assualt rifle and the Predator is a pistol. There's a big difference. Did you mean to say the Carnifex and Predator change randomly?


No, I meant exactly what I said. Throughout the game Shepard's weapons are forced to the Avenger, Shuriken, and Predator during cutscenes. 

Edit: But not every cutscene. Are they forced intentionally maybe?

Edit edit: Gonna go sleep now. Until tomorrow guys (and girls)!

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 13 juillet 2012 - 05:15 .


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Lokanaiya wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I really love the gun theory and it would make pretty good sense. Most of the gun changes seem deliberate.

Sadly, however, Shepard's guns change randomly to the avenger and predator throughout the game in cutscenes. Even scenes that have little importance change the weapon randomly. It might just be a game mechanic. The only time I can really remember Shepard's weapons being changed was when you meet TIM on Mars. Come to think of it, a predator would make sense if you were seeing TIM. I think Shep used an avenger in this scene. And now I'm partly confused.

It's this kind of stuff that makes me speculate the speculation about the guns, It certainly looks/sounds great AND works in the ending. But, during the rest of the game it happens (seemingly) randomly.


The Avenger is an assualt rifle and the Predator is a pistol. There's a big difference. Did you mean to say the Carnifex and Predator change randomly?


No, I think he's talking about how the Predator and Avenger are just the default guns used in cutscenes.

But when it isnt Shepard and her squad, the person can have whatever guns they want. The only time Shep doesnt have a Predator is on the Citadel at the end, when TIM conveniently takes Anderson's gun, and its a Predator, even though before the beam run, Anderson clearly had a Carnifex, and on the Citadel, clearly has no gun at all.

Oh, also Shep had a Carnifex when she betrayed Mordin and Wrex, not a Predator.

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Ya I just wish we could gotten to at least see Reeger, Toombs and all the people we helped in ME particapte in retaking Earth back but no they all dead except some of the non military ones, but they still should have been war assest. Yet they mad a good final stand in the reports and they mad my Shepard proud to have know them.

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Me and Banshee are having a good time on xbox multiplayer. A very good time indeed.

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Byne don't forget that if you kill Legion it's with a Predator, so I don't think that's a good thing, since the Predator represents good.

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masster blaster wrote...

Byne don't forget that if you kill Legion it's with a Predator, so I don't think that's a good thing, since the Predator represents good.


I didnt say the Predator represented good though.

I personally agree with allowing Legion to upgrade the geth, but you have to remember, he's upgrading them with Reaper code. By killing him, you're technically freeing him from having any Reaper influence, thus you use the Predator.

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masster blaster wrote...

Ya I just wish we could gotten to at least see Reeger, Toombs and all the people we helped in ME particapte in retaking Earth back but no they all dead except some of the non military ones, but they still should have been war assest. Yet they mad a good final stand in the reports and they mad my Shepard proud to have know them.


Doesn't Kal-reeger die later on in ME3 after you do the Rannoch stuff?

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CoolioThane wrote...

Me and Banshee are having a good time on xbox multiplayer. A very good time indeed.

ill be on for a little while longer, shoot me an invite if you want, im the guy with the ridiculous GT

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jgibson14352 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Me and Banshee are having a good time on xbox multiplayer. A very good time indeed.

ill be on for a little while longer, shoot me an invite if you want, im the guy with the ridiculous GT


Ridiculous GT?! 

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I just spent the last 3 hours placing dirt block in Minecraft. I have lost all form of coherent thought. I can only see brown squares. Everywhere. My right hand hurts. A lot. Damn my brother and his damn TNT!!!

Anyway, anything new?

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A bioware employee named Tully Ackland just posted something about the IT in an anti-IT thread.

http://social.biowar...x/13088100&lf=8

Modifié par estebanus, 13 juillet 2012 - 05:45 .


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byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne don't forget that if you kill Legion it's with a Predator, so I don't think that's a good thing, since the Predator represents good.


I didnt say the Predator represented good though.

I personally agree with allowing Legion to upgrade the geth, but you have to remember, he's upgrading them with Reaper code. By killing him, you're technically freeing him from having any Reaper influence, thus you use the Predator.


Helping legion by keeping his race in the stone age of AI. Tough love man. :mellow:

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CoolioThane wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Me and Banshee are having a good time on xbox multiplayer. A very good time indeed.

ill be on for a little while longer, shoot me an invite if you want, im the guy with the ridiculous GT


Ridiculous GT?! 

ShaftCleaner. im not gay. and my friends are d*cks.

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estebanus wrote...

I just spent the last 3 hours placing dirt block in Minecraft. I have lost all form of coherent thought. I can only see brown squares. Everywhere. My right hand hurts. A lot. Damn my brother and his damn TNT!!!

Anyway, anything new?


Minecraft. The sponge of imagination. Don't worry. The effects are temporary. :P Unless creepers insist on falling in your mine. Then that just causes troll class headaches. 

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TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne don't forget that if you kill Legion it's with a Predator, so I don't think that's a good thing, since the Predator represents good.


I didnt say the Predator represented good though.

I personally agree with allowing Legion to upgrade the geth, but you have to remember, he's upgrading them with Reaper code. By killing him, you're technically freeing him from having any Reaper influence, thus you use the Predator.


Helping legion by keeping his race in the stone age of AI. Tough love man. :mellow:


'tis why I dont agree with killing Legion. I'm just saying why it makes sense to have used the Predator in that scene.

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estebanus wrote...

I just spent the last 3 hours placing dirt block in Minecraft. I have lost all form of coherent thought. I can only see brown squares. Everywhere. My right hand hurts. A lot. Damn my brother and his damn TNT!!!

Anyway, anything new?


Have you seen any of the Let's Plays Rooster Teeth has done for Minecraft? They're freaking hilarious.

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jgibson14352 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Me and Banshee are having a good time on xbox multiplayer. A very good time indeed.

ill be on for a little while longer, shoot me an invite if you want, im the guy with the ridiculous GT


Ridiculous GT?! 

ShaftCleaner. im not gay. and my friends are d*cks.


Haha, love it! It says you are offline :crying:

Modifié par CoolioThane, 13 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I just spent the last 3 hours placing dirt block in Minecraft. I have lost all form of coherent thought. I can only see brown squares. Everywhere. My right hand hurts. A lot. Damn my brother and his damn TNT!!!

Anyway, anything new?


Minecraft. The sponge of imagination. Don't worry. The effects are temporary. :P Unless creepers insist on falling in your mine. Then that just causes troll class headaches. 

It was creative mode. I had asked my brother to rip down a village so that we could expand our city over it, and he decided that it was a perfect time for him touse craploads of TNT. he blew up over 30 f*cking square kilometres. It looked like a nuke had been dropped on the place. We spent the last 3 hours covering everything up. 

Now, I see only brown squares. And my head hurts. A lot.