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[WYLDMAXX]

www.youtube.com/watch

After watching this video, I come to love the ending as it is and not what should be.Ending

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.

Link, please?

http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 

It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

I agree. And I can only salute all those people who made this theory plausible. I tip my hat to all of you!
*snip*

In my opinion, Bioware made this theory plausible with the clues they put in the game, it's why I'm more convinced that Bioware had this planned from the start, but there is a fly in the ointment, I don't think Bioware were expecting the backlash they got, at least not on the scale it became, eg "HTL" and "Retake".

I agree. I'm just saying that this theory would never have been such a huge bringer of hope to me if a lot of people here hadn't "discovered" it, or used a lot of time to make it actually sound plausible, not just wishful thinking!

Also, I agree that Bioware probably didn't expect the fans to flip out like they did.

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...

Are you saying... that WE are the majority?!

dear god...

[byne]

dreamgazer wrote...

You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion.

Priestly included this blurb in his "LOCKDOWN" message, when all he really needed to do was say that it had ventured off-topic. You can't put much stock into that, obviously, but there are other ways of handling the reemergence of the interpretation that could have easily zipped many, many lips. 

This was his message to me when I asked him to reconsider the lock:



And I may just be interpreting it in a way that makes me feel better, but that seems more like 'I closed it because I was unhappy that there was too much for new people to read' than 'i closed it because it was off-topic'

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...

Read through the posts.  You'll find plenty of vocal folks stating that opinion. 

Right, but poll results speak louder than vocal folks. 

I agree, to an extent. Reading enough overt, aggrandized insults towards the theory might color his impression of the discussion.  He's a community manager, though---he knows what to see, and not.

[MaximizedAction]

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.

Link, please?

http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 

It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

I agree. And I can only salute all those people who made this theory plausible. I tip my hat to all of you!
*snip*

In my opinion, Bioware made this theory plausible with the clues they put in the game, it's why I'm more convinced that Bioware had this planned from the start, but there is a fly in the ointment, I don't think Bioware were expecting the backlash they got, at least not on the scale it became, eg "HTL" and "Retake".

I agree. I'm just saying that this theory would never have been such a huge bringer of hope to me if a lot of people here hadn't "discovered" it, or used a lot of time to make it actually sound plausible, not just wishful thinking!

Also, I agree that Bioware probably didn't expect the fans to flip out like they did.

Also, one could say that all these speculations, IT, this <3 thread, enriched the game in a way that is unprecidented to me.
No matter what comes out this summer, I will remember ME3 for the rest of my life. And that is something.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 22 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[DJBare]

MaximizedAction wrote...
So, this theory would make the Geth technically indoctrinated, too (Ok, nothing new, since that's what Sovereign did to the heretics).

No, not indoctrinated, it's not needed, AI research had already been outlawed, all the reapers had to do was apply a little self awareness to the geth, the resulting panic by the quarians does the rest.

[D.Sharrah]

blooregard wrote...

BluSoldier wrote...

As much as I believe in IT, there is a non-IT explanation for the Shadow Broker -ship - looking things on the cidatel. The Prothean VI said that in every cycle there are identical factions. This means that there is always a shadow broker. It is very possible that just as the Citadel becomes the main governmental capital in every cycle, the Shadow Brokers ship is the shadow broker's ship in every cycle. Thus it is possible that the SB's ship is made by the reapers/whoever made the reapers, just as the citadel is. This would explain similar design specifics.

-Blu

Take what Vedetta says with a pinch of salt he claimed the patterns in each cycle are too repetitive to be the work of the Reapers (or something similar). He states that the they were sabotatged by a group within wanting to control the Reapers who were later found to be indoctrinated our cycle's gorup is Cerberus who we all know the leader had inderect contact with a Reaper artifact. that would suggest that the Reapers are behind the patterns.

Hell since I'm grasping at straws now might as well finish my theory that the Reapers gave the Geth a very primitive boost of self awareness to provoke the morning war (IMO the term "does this unit have a soul" is far too individualistic to have been the geth achieving self awareness by themselves)

Not to mention that they influenced the Rachni to attack which lead to almost every major war of this cycle (not sure that you can claim the Reapers knew that push would have such an effect, but there it is).  And then influenced the Geth again to attack organic life at the attempted beginning of this harvest.

What I really find interesting is that if you look at the patterns that they do discuss in this cycle and the past cycle, the events that take place seem to be ones that are intent on destabilizing the galaxy...which would do what for a certain group of super robots - make it much easier for them to divide and conquer the galaxy (since it is already divided and conquered).  In fact, in game dialogue from Javik might support this to a certain extent...he comments that the Protheans had pretty much subjagated (sp.?) or defeated all other sentient species in the galaxy, so that when the Reapers attacked they only had to worry about one military stragety - Javik finally admits that this cycles on saving grace may be its unified diversity.

Which gets back to the point that SC logic is not only circular but most likely false.

[CavemanLog]

Wow, I read this forum everyday during lunch and am amazed at the evidence that people find. If IT isn't for some reason true, it was a great collection of people digging deep into what was already great lore/game. (Just to be clear, I still believe it is).

[HellishFiend]

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...

Are you saying... that WE are the majority?!

dear god...

I always suspected that, to be honest. If the results are like that over there at HtL, its likely even more skewed towards IT over here. 

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.

Link, please?

http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 

It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

I agree. And I can only salute all those people who made this theory plausible. I tip my hat to all of you!
*snip*

In my opinion, Bioware made this theory plausible with the clues they put in the game, it's why I'm more convinced that Bioware had this planned from the start, but there is a fly in the ointment, I don't think Bioware were expecting the backlash they got, at least not on the scale it became, eg "HTL" and "Retake".

I agree. I'm just saying that this theory would never have been such a huge bringer of hope to me if a lot of people here hadn't "discovered" it, or used a lot of time to make it actually sound plausible, not just wishful thinking!

Also, I agree that Bioware probably didn't expect the fans to flip out like they did.

Also, one could say that all these speculations, IT, this <3 thread, enriched the game in a way, that is unprecidented to me.
No matter what comes out this summer, I will remember ME3 for the rest of my life. And that is something.

No kidding!  This is one of the greatest experiences of my entire (Admittedly short so far.) life.  I've met great people from around the world, and I've participated in discussion with people who's intelligences are far greater than mine who also love this stuff as much if not more than I do. 

[estebanus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

estebanus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Priestly asking about the theory over at HTL's base of operations is pretty darn interesting. I can only imagine what his response would be like over in these parts.

Link, please?

http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 

It seems to me we've come a looong way since PAX' "The indoctrination theory illustrates again how committed the fanbase is"

I agree. And I can only salute all those people who made this theory plausible. I tip my hat to all of you!
*snip*

In my opinion, Bioware made this theory plausible with the clues they put in the game, it's why I'm more convinced that Bioware had this planned from the start, but there is a fly in the ointment, I don't think Bioware were expecting the backlash they got, at least not on the scale it became, eg "HTL" and "Retake".

I agree. I'm just saying that this theory would never have been such a huge bringer of hope to me if a lot of people here hadn't "discovered" it, or used a lot of time to make it actually sound plausible, not just wishful thinking!

Also, I agree that Bioware probably didn't expect the fans to flip out like they did.

Also, one could say that all these speculations, IT, this <3 thread, enriched the game in a way that is unprecidented to me.
No matter what comes out this summer, I will remember ME3 for the rest of my life. And that is something.

I'm not sure if I'll remember ME3 for the rest of my life, but I will hold it in my memory for a very long time!

The indoctrination theory has made Mass Effect 3 much more fun, since now I can actually concentrate looking for something beneath that what meets the eye.

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...

Are you saying... that WE are the majority?!

dear god...

I always suspected that, to be honest. If the results are like that over there at HtL, its likely even more skewed towards IT over here. 

I guess it's just that the anti-IT people are MUCH more vocal.  Frak, I'm surprised they haven't called us the Anti-Christ yet.  Never mind how a group could be one person, they could find a way to do that (Since they've found a way to deny the theory despite all our evidence.).

[MaximizedAction]

DJBare wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
So, this theory would make the Geth technically indoctrinated, too (Ok, nothing new, since that's what Sovereign did to the heretics).

No, not indoctrinated, it's not needed, AI research had already been outlawed, all the reapers had to do was apply a little self awareness to the geth, the resulting panic by the quarians does the rest.

That's why I added 'technically' to loosely use the term 'indoctrination'. It was to sum up that everyone and everything can and probably was twisted by the Reapers. There isn't even a reason for the Reapers not to do such a thing, since they can.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 22 mai 2012 - 09:31 .

[estebanus]

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...

Are you saying... that WE are the majority?!

dear god...

I always suspected that, to be honest. If the results are like that over there at HtL, its likely even more skewed towards IT over here. 

I guess it's true that the disgruntled people always voice their opnions louder than the (in this case, partly) content people...

[D.Sharrah]

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion.

Priestly included this blurb in his "LOCKDOWN" message, when all he really needed to do was say that it had ventured off-topic. You can't put much stock into that, obviously, but there are other ways of handling the reemergence of the interpretation that could have easily zipped many, many lips. 

This was his message to me when I asked him to reconsider the lock:



And I may just be interpreting it in a way that makes me feel better, but that seems more like 'I closed it because I was unhappy that there was too much for new people to read' than 'i closed it because it was off-topic'

True...but if it was simply the page count why haven't the done the same to the "So, We can't get the ending we want?" thread?

EDIT: Seems like there is more going on there...seriously could be that Bioware want more people to be able digest the information that is coming out of this topic.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 22 mai 2012 - 09:35 .

[Ytook]

Chris Priestly asking about the IT on HTL forums is very interesting to me, after all if it isn't correct then surely it would be best for Bioware to not bring it up, teasing like that and then pulling the rug away from the hope of the ending being clever but incomplete rather than awful and incomplete is a sure fire way to ****** off an already hugely upset fan-base.

That being said, Bioware hasn't been the best at not annoying their fan base with this whole debacle.

[robdunnhill]

Hey Guys, Just played ME2 DLC The Arival - during the scene where you find the reaper artifact and the bad guys are trying to knock you out, if you survive long enough for the Advanced mechs to come out Harbinger says:

"Struggle if you wish Shepard, Your mind will be mine!"

Then you wake up 2 days or whatever later, who knows what they did to his mind then, supports the indoctrination theory. I also remember the press b4 this was released they were saying this DLC was to kick start ME3. wonder if that line has more meaning than we realize

[byne]

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion.

Priestly included this blurb in his "LOCKDOWN" message, when all he really needed to do was say that it had ventured off-topic. You can't put much stock into that, obviously, but there are other ways of handling the reemergence of the interpretation that could have easily zipped many, many lips. 

This was his message to me when I asked him to reconsider the lock:



And I may just be interpreting it in a way that makes me feel better, but that seems more like 'I closed it because I was unhappy that there was too much for new people to read' than 'i closed it because it was off-topic'

True...but if it was simply the page count why haven't the done the same to the "So, We can't get the ending we want?" thread?

Because thats less of a theorizing thread and more of a "Lets go here and complain" thread, maybe?

[ExtendedCut]

Dang it! I was just about to pop back into this thread and break the news of Chris Priestly's poll on HTL. You guys beat me to it.

Still, IT is winning by a landslide, despite the few posters that are the LOUD opposition. I hope the squeaky wheel does NOT get the grease in this case.

[estebanus]

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion.

Priestly included this blurb in his "LOCKDOWN" message, when all he really needed to do was say that it had ventured off-topic. You can't put much stock into that, obviously, but there are other ways of handling the reemergence of the interpretation that could have easily zipped many, many lips. 

This was his message to me when I asked him to reconsider the lock:



And I may just be interpreting it in a way that makes me feel better, but that seems more like 'I closed it because I was unhappy that there was too much for new people to read' than 'i closed it because it was off-topic'

True...but if it was simply the page count why haven't the done the same to the "So, We can't get the ending we want?" thread?

Maybe because the other thread is not really a theory, but a place where people voice their opinions about the current situation...

[Dwailing]

ExtendedCut wrote...

Dang it! I was just about to pop back into this thread and break the news of Chris Priestly's poll on HTL. You guys beat me to it.

Still, IT is winning by a landslide, despite the few posters that are the LOUD opposition. I hope the squeaky wheel does NOT get the grease in this case.

Don't worry, unless something crazy happens, IT will be right in the end.  At least, I believe it will, since I have faith in BW that this was their plan to begin with.

[balance5050]

 "Well of course I'm going to vote yes."
Oh you...

[DJBare]

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You are welcome to reopen it IF you want to sensibly continue this discussion.

Priestly included this blurb in his "LOCKDOWN" message, when all he really needed to do was say that it had ventured off-topic. You can't put much stock into that, obviously, but there are other ways of handling the reemergence of the interpretation that could have easily zipped many, many lips. 

This was his message to me when I asked him to reconsider the lock:



And I may just be interpreting it in a way that makes me feel better, but that seems more like 'I closed it because I was unhappy that there was too much for new people to read' than 'i closed it because it was off-topic'

True...but if it was simply the page count why haven't the done the same to the "So, We can't get the ending we want?" thread?

No offense to that other thread, but it does not carry much in the way of intriguing information like I.T, keeping this thread short would certainly aid those entering the discussion.

[byne]

balance5050 wrote...

 "Well of course I'm going to vote yes."
Oh you...