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Let's make 186 pages of random posts. A BSN marathon! Posted Image

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MaximizedAction wrote...

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any actual good "evidence" recently, or is it just a continous discussion of nothingless- and clinging onto false hope?

I was really dead-set on IT being actually the real deal, but I've given up hope completely. The ending just flat-out sucked, and there was nothing deep about it. I mean, the emotion and musical empthasize from Sam Hullick work on the EC gives you the sense of conclussion.

Not some "more to come" after what we already got. Meh, could have been so much more, and better.


Indeed, the new EC soundtrack (for high EMS) has closure all over it. However, on low EMS you still get the original "An End...".

So yeah, now the last tracks in-game don't have the cliffhanger-y feeling to it, anymore. But this doesn't answer the following question: Why was it a cliffhanger in the first place?


Probably because originally they didn't say exactly what happened to many aspects and characters like the EC did.  I think with the EC they wanted to make iron-clad sure that this is it.


Of course they didn't say too much pre-EC, this is also where the music fits perfectly, as it does now to the EC version.

What I'm wondering about is that you don't make a cliffhanger and then claim that you weren't aware that people would want 'more' closure and then announce 'unplanned' content that removes the cliffhanger.

Why have the cliffhanger in the first place then? The only reason I can think of is to get people speculating. And while people did that, they got the game that final finish the wanted in the first place.


Bioware said it themselves before that they wanted people to speculate on the endings.  Whether it was a nod towards IT or the fact that they wanted the ending to be interpretive...I honestly think at this point that they just wanted people to interpret for themselves what the ending meant, which would even explain the additional evidence for IT allegedly put into the EC and the fact that they never say it is or isn't true.

But it seemed a lot of people were't cool with that and wanted more closure, so they released the EC with Hackett basically explaining plainly and clearly what happened after the events with the catalyst.  Less speculation necessary after the EC, yes, but it certainly seemed like that's what a bunch of people wanted.

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paxxton wrote...

Let's make 186 pages of random posts. A BSN marathon! Posted Image


That'd be more like a marathon for whose post will be the last one before the thread gets locked.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Let's make 186 pages of random posts. A BSN marathon! Posted Image


That'd be more like a marathon for whose post will be the last one before the thread gets locked.

Good catch point! Posted Image

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

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I always imagined during the scene between Anderson and TIM, TIM would say "Shepard, I am your father, let us control the reapers and rule the galaxy as father and son/daughter." :P


He does have his father's eyes...
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That's because in a way TIM is indeed your father. He rebuild you and provided the tech to rebuild you. Reaper tech? Who knows. I think it very well could be that TIM indeed used reaper tech to rebuild Shepard. Not to mention that Renegade Shepard in ME2 has exactly the same eyes, only red instead of blue.

Not exactly but similar the renegade eyes have 2 dots on top one on the bottom without the ring connecting them.

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paxxton wrote...
Nope. Though one facet of that meaning is mathematical in nature, it has different ones.


So what's the meaning of 7343?

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I am so gonna win top post of the 2000th page. You guys goin down!



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Someone actually used my picture :o

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MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Nope. Though one facet of that meaning is mathematical in nature, it has different ones.


So what's the meaning of 7343?


The formula to make bunnies fart rainbows....

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Jessica1995 wrote...

Someone actually used my picture :o


That one is yours?! I want to thank you for being an inspiration. :D

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paxxton wrote...
Nope. Though one facet of that meaning is mathematical in nature, it has different ones.


So what's the meaning of 7343?

343 is the name of a character in Halo. 7 is an integral number between 6 (2 times 3) and 8 (2 times 4).
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Hanar...lots of games release stuff that takes place after the ending. Therefore by default the old ending is not the ending anymore...

The IT dlc would not be a new ending it would be an expansion of the current endings. Your argument is invalid.


My argument is valid, because the IT would render the current endings we got with the EC useless and meaningless. Instead we would have to buy the IT DLC to experience the true ending, which would ****** me and lots of other people off.

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Heritic just go make a thread that goes in depth about how you hate the IT and blah blah blah. But when you do make sure you give all supportive evidence as to why the endings are real and IT is false and go in depth with all of your reasoning. then direct us to it.

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paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Nope. Though one facet of that meaning is mathematical in nature, it has different ones.


So what's the meaning of 7343?

343 is the name of a character in Halo. 7 is an integral number between 6 (2 times 3) and 8 (2 times 4).
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awww i still don't get it.

Oh and btw guys, i explained the sound when shep opens her eyes in this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/13114629

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Flog61 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Nope. Though one facet of that meaning is mathematical in nature, it has different ones.


So what's the meaning of 7343?

343 is the name of a character in Halo. 7 is an integral number between 6 (2 times 3) and 8 (2 times 4).
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awww i still don't get it.

Oh and btw guys, i explained the sound when shep opens her eyes in this thread: http://social.biowar.../index/13114629

LOL. There's nothing actually to get out of it. Just a number game.

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http://social.biowar.../index/13114629

also explains most of the plot holes in the pre-beam scene

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So what have I missed guys?

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

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Hanar...lots of games release stuff that takes place after the ending. Therefore by default the old ending is not the ending anymore...

The IT dlc would not be a new ending it would be an expansion of the current endings. Your argument is invalid.


My argument is valid, because the IT would render the current endings we got with the EC useless and meaningless. Instead we would have to buy the IT DLC to experience the true ending, which would ****** me and lots of other people off.


Um Hanar not really because If they get to see there LI and everything they did in ME1-3 pay off. You would bet that people will buy it.

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So what have I missed guys?

Random troll.

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masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar...lots of games release stuff that takes place after the ending. Therefore by default the old ending is not the ending anymore...

The IT dlc would not be a new ending it would be an expansion of the current endings. Your argument is invalid.


My argument is valid, because the IT would render the current endings we got with the EC useless and meaningless. Instead we would have to buy the IT DLC to experience the true ending, which would ****** me and lots of other people off.


Um Hanar not really because If they get to see there LI and everything they did in ME1-3 pay off. You would bet that people will buy it.


Perhaps, but I for one could not give a damn about my in-game LI. I just want BioWare to get this over wit and move on. I wish people on BSN would do the same. Just accept the endings for what it is and move on. Yes, ME3 has a crappy plot with a crappy ending. Who cares? I did, but not anymore. I just hope BioWare has learned from their mistakes. Lets not dwell to much on the past. What done is done and BioWare already fixed it mostly with their EC. Let it rest. Releasing some "true ending" DLC will only stir up the whole bunch once again. Some people will love it, most people will think they're being ripped off, and rightfully so. Is it worth all that? I don't think so.

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GO awaaaayyyyyy hanar, you're ruining the peace

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar...lots of games release stuff that takes place after the ending. Therefore by default the old ending is not the ending anymore...

The IT dlc would not be a new ending it would be an expansion of the current endings. Your argument is invalid.


My argument is valid, because the IT would render the current endings we got with the EC useless and meaningless. Instead we would have to buy the IT DLC to experience the true ending, which would ****** me and lots of other people off.


Um Hanar not really because If they get to see there LI and everything they did in ME1-3 pay off. You would bet that people will buy it.


Perhaps, but I for one could not give a damn about my in-game LI. I just want BioWare to get this over wit and move on. I wish people on BSN would do the same. Just accept the endings for what it is and move on. Yes, ME3 has a crappy plot with a crappy ending. Who cares? I did, but not anymore. I just hope BioWare has learned from their mistakes. Lets not dwell to much on the past. What done is done and BioWare already fixed it mostly with their EC. Let it rest. Releasing some "true ending" DLC will only stir up the whole bunch once again. Some people will love it, most people will think they're being ripped off, and rightfully so. Is it worth all that? I don't think so.


Oh the hypocrisy...

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zigamortis wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So what have I missed guys?

Random troll.


YaI read all of the last 14 pages about that, but I am going to see if more are on teh way, and I was right that as soon as byne left trolls will come in this thread/forum.

Oh and Hanar IT is not a cult, or religion. Do we have a god. Do we pray to IT, or even say it's a religion. No we don't.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Hanar...lots of games release stuff that takes place after the ending. Therefore by default the old ending is not the ending anymore...

The IT dlc would not be a new ending it would be an expansion of the current endings. Your argument is invalid.


My argument is valid, because the IT would render the current endings we got with the EC useless and meaningless. Instead we would have to buy the IT DLC to experience the true ending, which would ****** me and lots of other people off.


Um Hanar not really because If they get to see there LI and everything they did in ME1-3 pay off. You would bet that people will buy it.


Perhaps, but I for one could not give a damn about my in-game LI. I just want BioWare to get this over wit and move on. I wish people on BSN would do the same. Just accept the endings for what it is and move on. Yes, ME3 has a crappy plot with a crappy ending. Who cares? I did, but not anymore. I just hope BioWare has learned from their mistakes. Lets not dwell to much on the past. What done is done and BioWare already fixed it mostly with their EC. Let it rest. Releasing some "true ending" DLC will only stir up the whole bunch once again. Some people will love it, most people will think they're being ripped off, and rightfully so. Is it worth all that? I don't think so.


Oh the hypocrisy...


Oh really?

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Good point. Never thought about that. But it makes sense. In no ME you were able to kill a friend with a Renegade option. In ME3 you do.

And even let Samara kill herself with non-Paragon-action her. And her daughter later per Renegade decision.

(And, everytime someone shot in his/her own head, blood was flying all over the place, except when TIM shot in his own head. There was no blood. I know, old evidence, just wanted to repeat it in that context.)


You could kill Wrex in ME1

Oh, jeez forgot about that.

Forget what I said.


Ya but that was a non cut Scene with the option appering, and this was big and we all though Wrex was going to kill Shepard if we don"t calm Wrex down. Also It's the cure for his people so ya I would want it so badly i would try to fight anyone who would try to destroy it.

Also Mordin shot in the Back just like Saren did to Nihlus. Shot in the back.

Also killing Legion like that. three shots to the head. the HEAD. and not once did Shepard say I am sorry to Legion about this, but come on. Also Mordin was trying to save the Krogan, and even admites that it's his fault and want's to correct it.

Don't you see Bioware is letting the Player Indoctrinate Shepard, by influensing Shepard to kill his/her friends, which we could not do personaly in ME2 that Shepard DID not somebody else, but Shepard alone.

Yeah everyone noticed the transition from ME1/ME2 renegade to ME3-murderous-psychopath-renegade but I never thought of a reason for it. "...manipulating the victim into betraying friends,
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or viewing the reaper itself in superstitious awe."
http://t1.gstatic.co...7FpQJOivD7ABQ-Q


Motherofgod.
Fridge brilliance!

It's only yesterday that I saw on youtube what Shep could do on a Renegade playthrough. And together with master's comment...wow, Shep's totally in Saren mode -- the only thing missing is him explaining to everyone how trusting and siding with the Reapers is the 'right thing'.


Hanar read this please, and tell me Shepard does not do these things if we tell Shepard to do so, in which case. We are the Reapers telling Shepard what to do in ME3. In the past we were Shepard's little voice telling Shepard what to do, but Now we are the Reapers filling Shepard with doubt ( Paragon), and making Shepard betray his/her friends (renegade).

Also Hanar like you said. If renegade Shepard has tim's eyes only red. Does that mean Shepard is becoming an Indoctrinated person under the Reapers infulence ( and I mean usas the Reapers in ME3 because we tell Sheaprd what to do, and not many people reailze that Bioware could have let us Indcotrinate Sheaprd without even knowing we were playing as the Reapers Indoctrinating Shepard.).

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Why so quiet everyone?