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[HellishFiend]

Ytook wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

WE LOVE YOU, LURKERS! 

Why thank you sir/madam.

You're quite welcome. You guys are a big part of the reason why we keep the discussion going. 

[llbountyhunter]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i just hope he didnt create the poll, because they are actually thinking of implementing the idt.

Seems like a pretty strange poll to create if IT wasnt in the works, or at least on the table, though.

As I said in the other thread, there's a directness about him posing this question specifically that's pretty curious.

Alright, time to ignore the troll.  Wald isn't worth it.  Unless he brings up an actual point of discussion, ignore him.

But like I said in that other thread, I havent seen him in so long I'm almost glad to see him again.

he hasnt started trolling yet anyways...

[DJBare]

waldstr18 wrote...

he obviously hasnt played the game, but that doesnt change that the new stuff he recorded is for after shepards death (like we see in the ending), not for him being indoctrinated.

Then the point of the breath scene is a waste.

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Have some thoughts on Udina and material from the comics...we know that Udina was being influenced by Cerberus to attempt the coup (and I don't think that he was indoctrinated, just a pawn)...we also know that it was Udina who promoted Bailey after "finding" evidence against Executor Pallin (from the comics, right?)...and we know from ME 2, that TIM considered Bailey a possible contact to be able to spread Cerberus's influence of a pro-human agenda...my question, did Udina or TIM expect to have Bailey in pocket?

If so, does this contribute to fall of the Citadel? If not, then what resistance would Bailey be able to prepare? And how does this impact end of the game events invovling the Citadel?

Assuming IT, unfortunately we have absolutely no way of formulating a strong hypothesis regarding anything that happens/happened to the people on the Citadel. We can speculate, but we'd really just be taking stabs in the dark. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Icinix wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Question to Anti-MPers: I've got to ask, why do some people dislike MP? Maybe it's as simple as an unstable internet connection, but I get the feeling it's a bit more than that. Believe it or not, Multiplayer actually fun in ME3 (probably because it's not Player vs Player). Are you dying often? Make sure you put all your skillpoints in increasing your sheilds/shield delay under Fitness for your selected character. If you don't like much in the way of using powers often take your favorite/strongest 2 weapons with you, if you Do want to use powers often (which I don't recommend for the first 5 or 10 levels, since skillpoint sshould be going into Fitness) maybe cut one weapon out to get that % boost. If you happen to run into a room full of annoying gamers don't forget you can leave anytime and search for another, most hours of the day/night there's plenty of other gamers playing. And be sure to set your difficutly search for Bronze difficulty until around level 17+ for your character, Silver and Gold don't mess around.

Just on this since you asked, my issue is that it now causes a delay of several minutes to log on to EA when I first sign into the game - I thought Origin was meant to be the end of that.

..and then If I want to play MP - I'll spend about 10 - 15 minutes just trying to get into a game - that usually when it connects, ends immediately with hosting player left before I've even seen my character on screen or a message about connection lost.

Gave up on it a few weeks ago. Have tried a few times since, but no dice.

Ultimately EA servers are pants. Had this problem with BF3 as well. Outside of EA servers - no issues what so ever.

Hm, interesting. I've had some issues with connecting but no where near enough to keep me from playing. How does your internet perform with other games? Are you wireless? If you are is there a way to casually/conviniently directly plug into the internet? I used to be wireless, and that sucked, got a lot of DC's and LD's and random lag, so found a way to plug into my router (on the other side of the house, had to go under it) and now thinks are much smoother. Then again, maybe it has to do with location of the game, I've had ones where it's laggy as all hell and I either leave or get disconnected, then others where it's too stable to be true. I suspect the host of the laggy games are just in other parts of the world or I don't know what.

[waldstr18]

DJBare wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

he obviously hasnt played the game, but that doesnt change that the new stuff he recorded is for after shepards death (like we see in the ending), not for him being indoctrinated.

Then the point of the breath scene is a waste.

i think the breath scene will also be at the end of the ending dlc.

[balance5050]

waldstr18 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

he obviously hasnt played the game, but that doesnt change that the new stuff he recorded is for after shepards death (like we see in the ending), not for him being indoctrinated.

Then the point of the breath scene is a waste.

i think the breath scene will also be at the end of the ending dlc.

The EC stands for *extended* cut.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

i just hope he didnt create the poll, because they are actually thinking of implementing the idt.

Seems like a pretty strange poll to create if IT wasnt in the works, or at least on the table, though.

As I said in the other thread, there's a directness about him posing this question specifically that's pretty curious.

Yes, considering the feedback is polarized as far as I.T is concerned, then Bioware have a difficult decision to make, go with it and alienate a good portion of the fan base or decide against it, make I.T theorists look like idiots and deal with further back lash.
But if they have something else planned and it turns out better than I.T I'll stick around, if not, I'll be out, either way it will be closure for me.

I think Bioware made it quite clear from the very start that they would never alter from their general course or "artistic" plan for the ending. I certainly do think they are going to mold the character epilogues and whatnot after player feedback, but whether IT is true or not was set in stone long before the game's release. Of that I have no doubt. 

[waldstr18]

@helisshfiend

i truely hope so.

[D.Sharrah]

waldstr18 wrote...

anyways, the reason im actually here, is the interview with the alien guy who voices admiral hackett. he clearly hasnt played the game, but if you listen to him, he says:
"Usually, when a guy loses the game, the game shuts down; it's over. It's done. The players don't like that,"


he obviously hasnt played the game, but that doesnt change that the new stuff he recorded is for after shepards death (like we see in the ending), not for him being indoctrinated.


http://www.g4tv.com/...ending-content/

Not to continue to feed the troll...but being as this has been discussed and brought up already, thought it would make sense to throw my two cents into the ring.  The way I interpretted (sp.?), what LH said was that simply the way the game currently ends seems quite abrupt to the player - in the sense that we get some cinematics after we make a choice that don't really answer any questions, then we get the famous advertisement - and that's it.  I think that quite literally LH was just saying that this was too abrupt for players - like we expected epilogue slides or something like that.  I don't think that his comments are evidence either way...sometimes you can try to over analyze what is said.  LH might know more than we do, but I am pretty sure that he has a NDA and I can't imagine a seasoned actor like him, slipping up and opening the door too much with any of his comments - if anything they are purposefully vague.

[HellishFiend]

waldstr18 wrote...

@helisshfiend

i truely hope so.

If there is one thing that Bioware has not minced words about, its that they believe in their "artistic vision" for the ending. Theyve given nothing that could be interpreted as saying that they will change their course entirely due to player feedback. EC, regardless of whether it was planned or not, is a supplement/extension, not an alteration from their original course. 

[Icinix]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Icinix wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Question to Anti-MPers: I've got to ask, why do some people dislike MP? Maybe it's as simple as an unstable internet connection, but I get the feeling it's a bit more than that. Believe it or not, Multiplayer actually fun in ME3 (probably because it's not Player vs Player). Are you dying often? Make sure you put all your skillpoints in increasing your sheilds/shield delay under Fitness for your selected character. If you don't like much in the way of using powers often take your favorite/strongest 2 weapons with you, if you Do want to use powers often (which I don't recommend for the first 5 or 10 levels, since skillpoint sshould be going into Fitness) maybe cut one weapon out to get that % boost. If you happen to run into a room full of annoying gamers don't forget you can leave anytime and search for another, most hours of the day/night there's plenty of other gamers playing. And be sure to set your difficutly search for Bronze difficulty until around level 17+ for your character, Silver and Gold don't mess around.

Just on this since you asked, my issue is that it now causes a delay of several minutes to log on to EA when I first sign into the game - I thought Origin was meant to be the end of that.

..and then If I want to play MP - I'll spend about 10 - 15 minutes just trying to get into a game - that usually when it connects, ends immediately with hosting player left before I've even seen my character on screen or a message about connection lost.

Gave up on it a few weeks ago. Have tried a few times since, but no dice.

Ultimately EA servers are pants. Had this problem with BF3 as well. Outside of EA servers - no issues what so ever.

Hm, interesting. I've had some issues with connecting but no where near enough to keep me from playing. How does your internet perform with other games? Are you wireless? If you are is there a way to casually/conviniently directly plug into the internet? I used to be wireless, and that sucked, got a lot of DC's and LD's and random lag, so found a way to plug into my router (on the other side of the house, had to go under it) and now thinks are much smoother. Then again, maybe it has to do with location of the game, I've had ones where it's laggy as all hell and I either leave or get disconnected, then others where it's too stable to be true. I suspect the host of the laggy games are just in other parts of the world or I don't know what.

Better in every thing outside EA servers. I'm always wired (I'm strongly against wireless, think of me as Adama minded ) at home or when I go back to Family (1500km away) - laptop, desktop does not matter. Its the same issue.

Load up any other game that doesn't use EA servers, no problem.

[estebanus]

One way or another, the IT is pretty much a free "get out of jail" card, no matter what you think of it.

Modifié par estebanus, 22 mai 2012 - 10:02 .

[llbountyhunter]

estebanus wrote...

One way or another, the IT is pretty much a free "get out of jail" card, no matter what you think of it.

not if it was pre-planned 

they probably asked it to see if the angry fans calmed down yet, so they could continue with their original plans...

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 22 mai 2012 - 10:04 .

[waldstr18]

estebanus wrote...

One way or another, the IT is pretty much a free "get out of jail" card, no matter what you think of it.

only story wise. in marketing its suicide.

[Alex_Dur4and]

Lion Martinez wrote...

Wow, some great theorizing going on in this thread. I'm really enjoying it, it intrigues me. Keep it up

Nice of you to play with us like this! <_<

You already know what's going to happen, and you know that a good bunch of us are not far from the truth!!

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

Of that I have no doubt. 

Ugh. I read that last sentence in song, and now its going to bug the hell out of me until I figure out what song I was singing in my head.

[estebanus]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

One way or another, the IT is pretty much a free "get out of jail" card, no matter what you think of it.

only story wise. in marketing its suicide.

Not really... It's actually, if they didn't plan it I mean, the only real way for them to save the franchise.

Also, Arian Dynas explained pretty well how it makes a lot of sense in the marketing world. If you dig through this thread, you'd find it.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Have some thoughts on Udina and material from the comics...we know that Udina was being influenced by Cerberus to attempt the coup (and I don't think that he was indoctrinated, just a pawn)...we also know that it was Udina who promoted Bailey after "finding" evidence against Executor Pallin (from the comics, right?)...and we know from ME 2, that TIM considered Bailey a possible contact to be able to spread Cerberus's influence of a pro-human agenda...my question, did Udina or TIM expect to have Bailey in pocket?

If so, does this contribute to fall of the Citadel? If not, then what resistance would Bailey be able to prepare? And how does this impact end of the game events invovling the Citadel?

Assuming IT, unfortunately we have absolutely no way of formulating a strong hypothesis regarding anything that happens/happened to the people on the Citadel. We can speculate, but we'd really just be taking stabs in the dark. 

Well...I only wonder b/c what we do know that they have stated about the EC and one of the focuses is supposed to be "seeing your War Assets in action", I am wondering if this will play into how we see events unfold at the end of the game.

One idea (pure speculation), that the Conduit was a trap (it was an indoctrination device, reason for seeing what seems to be similar architechture to Object Rho in the "Breath Scene"), there was no way to open the Citadel Arms from Earth and we will have to contact Citadel Defense to open the arms/fire the crucible (all of this assuming that IT is right and what see at the end is a hallucination) - how would the whole Nailey connection work out...and more importantly was Udina/TIM trying to put a person that they thought  they could influence into a position as an "emergency" out...

[Icinix]

waldstr18 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

One way or another, the IT is pretty much a free "get out of jail" card, no matter what you think of it.

only story wise. in marketing its suicide.

Maybe. I think the issue they've got is I think gamers will re-act as strongly to requiring an internet always on connection as they will to having download it as DLC if it turns out to be true.

Thats where my issue has always been with it, and I do believe it is Indoctrination Theory (and have believed it will play some part in ME3 since the early marketing)..but the second a real ending, or major planned ending addition becomes internet DLC only and not in the retail channel - then I'll likely boycott your games until you sort it out.

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...


I think Bioware made it quite clear from the very start that they would never alter from their general course or "artistic" plan for the ending. I certainly do think they are going to mold the character epilogues and whatnot after player feedback, but whether IT is true or not was set in stone long before the game's release. Of that I have no doubt. 

I agree, I'm already convinced Bioware had it planned all along, but the problem was the delivery, as an example I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, I have qualifications in electronics and computer science, but I could not see further than the end of this game when I completed my first play through, in my opinion at the time, Bioware screwed up big time, but this was not in line with the rest of the trilogy, you don't take your flagship game and drop the ball by accident in the last few minutes.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Icinix wrote...
*snip*
Better in every thing outside EA servers. I'm always wired (I'm strongly against wireless, think of me as Adama minded ) at home or when I go back to Family (1500km away) - laptop, desktop does not matter. Its the same issue.

Load up any other game that doesn't use EA servers, no problem.

Hm...Well that sucks. A much slower way to build your readiness % is with the free ME3 datapadd for ipod OS, kinda sucks you can't just use it on PC. It's an interesting app, you've probably heard of it but incase you haven't tried it it has a mini-game that you sends fleets to parts of the galaxy to slowly raise your % and get credits to further upgrade your fleets (within the mini game not the real game). Once you get ALL the upgrades you're looking at a boost of 3.16% per galactic area, which is about as good as winning a MP game on bronze after awhile but it takes around 5 hours of waiting on your fleets to complete the area. Worth a look, alternative to MP, just takes a lot of time.

There's also that Inflitrator game for Android, but costs money and I don't have an Android to try it on so cant say either which way if it's worth it.

[estebanus]

Anyway, I'm going to bed now. Good night!

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I think Bioware made it quite clear from the very start that they would never alter from their general course or "artistic" plan for the ending. I certainly do think they are going to mold the character epilogues and whatnot after player feedback, but whether IT is true or not was set in stone long before the game's release. Of that I have no doubt. 

I agree, I'm already convinced Bioware had it planned all along, but the problem was the delivery, as an example I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, I have qualifications in electronics and computer science, but I could not see further than the end of this game when I completed my first play through, in my opinion at the time, Bioware screwed up big time, but this was not in line with the rest of the trilogy, you don't take your flagship game and drop the ball by accident in the last few minutes.

But if they made the ending too satisfying, people would have been less likely to question it. If less people questioned it, IT may not be what it is today. 

[D.Sharrah]

Well...time to fall behind again, hope to be able to catch back up in a little bit - but the kids are wanting to play - so we are going to build a blanket fort...if that does not bring back any nostalgic memories from your childhood, I am so sad for you.