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MegumiAzusa

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lex0r11 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

*asked if still trying to get gold extraction for the weekend operation because still playing*

*says they kept on farming gold 5x after first extraction*

*snip*


Impressive!



Tech bursts and biotic explosions everywhere!

And those cerberus phoenix types.. biotic explosion whips! Just brutal.


Well, I still have yet to make my extraction. What char did you use?

Best are Asari or Cerberus Adepts, Infiltrators, or Techs (I prefer Human Tech)


That was the exact team composition. :D

That's because it's the best? :P

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I am sure that a dozen different people on this thread can show me why I'm wrong, but does anyone else think that its possible that Shepard is actually the catalyst and that is the reason why they are attempting to indoctrinate him?

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paxxton wrote...

You noticed that the EC scrapped Joker from the flashbacks?

I'm pretty sure it's dependent of the amount of interaction for the flashback after Anderson.

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Feel so good! Banshee, Punny and I only gone and done a full extraction on Reaper Gold! :D

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You noticed that the EC scrapped Joker from the flashbacks?

I'm pretty sure it's dependent of the amount of interaction for the flashback after Anderson.

No. Joker was always there as the first one pre-EC. In my main playthrough pre-EC he was there but in the same playthrough post-EC he wasn't.

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masster blaster wrote...

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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So many responses, I never played the Arrival DLC so i was unaware of that. And if he was indoctrinated, then he was forced as a puppet by the Reapers to open the Citadel, and activate the crucible? If he were and indoctrinated puppet,he would side with TIM and back him up throughout the game.


No you misunderstand the Indoctrination theory I think.

Shepard is not Indoctrinated yet, he is undergoing the process towards Indoctrination.

The events on Earth is the breaking point. Essentially under the etjory everything Shepard sees after the beam is a hallucination in his mind brought on by him fighting the Indoctrination. TIM is first agressive aprt of the Indoctrination as the Reapers try to forcefully turn Shepard over and the choice is the trick part as Shepard has resisted the initial assult and now they have to trick his mind into agreeing with the Reaper philophy on their own.

Destroy represents resistance, Shepard casting aside Indoctrination and holding firm to his beliefs.



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Weird!


wait I didn't know the beams originated from the area "the Arrival" dlc is? that's interesting.


It dose look like it's the same place, only in ME3 it's just turned to the left because the galaxy is spining.

What do you think about this Robotic?


Since you have not played the Arrival I thought I would bring this up.

You guys, the Viper Nebula is NOT the starting point of the mass relay explosions. That is the Apien Crest.
Check my vid for the reasons why and the proofs to back it up.


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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You noticed that the EC scrapped Joker from the flashbacks?

I'm pretty sure it's dependent of the amount of interaction for the flashback after Anderson.

No. Joker was always there as the first one pre-EC. In my main playthrough pre-EC he was there but in the same playthrough post-EC he wasn't.

I meant pre EC it was fixed for Joker, now I guess it is dependent of the amount of interaction or some other variable how much you "like" that character.

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Attention N7 Special Forces. Operation: Broadside is now in effect, and it is one of our toughest challenges yet. We've been through hell and back these past few months but make no mistake; we will all be tested against the Reapers.

Make it out alive. I know it's a tall order, one that many of us cannot promise. But if you cannot survive extraction I ask that each and every one of you give the Reapers hell. Make them remember all those who have fallen before you. Make them remember that we stood strong against their forces. Make them remember you.

I'll see you on the field. Gunslinger out.

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FreddyCast wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

RoboticWays wrote...

So many responses, I never played the Arrival DLC so i was unaware of that. And if he was indoctrinated, then he was forced as a puppet by the Reapers to open the Citadel, and activate the crucible? If he were and indoctrinated puppet,he would side with TIM and back him up throughout the game.


No you misunderstand the Indoctrination theory I think.

Shepard is not Indoctrinated yet, he is undergoing the process towards Indoctrination.

The events on Earth is the breaking point. Essentially under the etjory everything Shepard sees after the beam is a hallucination in his mind brought on by him fighting the Indoctrination. TIM is first agressive aprt of the Indoctrination as the Reapers try to forcefully turn Shepard over and the choice is the trick part as Shepard has resisted the initial assult and now they have to trick his mind into agreeing with the Reaper philophy on their own.

Destroy represents resistance, Shepard casting aside Indoctrination and holding firm to his beliefs.



Posted Image
Posted Image

Weird!


wait I didn't know the beams originated from the area "the Arrival" dlc is? that's interesting.


It dose look like it's the same place, only in ME3 it's just turned to the left because the galaxy is spining.

What do you think about this Robotic?


Since you have not played the Arrival I thought I would bring this up.

You guys, the Viper Nebula is NOT the starting point of the mass relay explosions. That is the Apien Crest.
Check my vid for the reasons why and the proofs to back it up.

Although the Apien Crest makes more sense, and actually the planet you see when starting the assault looks like Palaven rather than Earth, but still you can see which connections the Mass Relays establish when using the Galaxy Map, and the connections from the Apien Crest just don't fit.

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Either way Freddy, you are forgetting that the thing SHOULD start in the Local Cluster and for reasons unknown it does not.

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So, what's new guys? What did I miss, other than that obnoxious troll comparing us to a religious cult?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You noticed that the EC scrapped Joker from the flashbacks?

I'm pretty sure it's dependent of the amount of interaction for the flashback after Anderson.

No. Joker was always there as the first one pre-EC. In my main playthrough pre-EC he was there but in the same playthrough post-EC he wasn't.

I meant pre EC it was fixed for Joker, now I guess it is dependent of the amount of interaction or some other variable how much you "like" that character.

So did anyone get Joker in the flashbacks post-EC?

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*remembers the last 4 operations that he got "rewarded" with an eagle*

... Meh Let the Reapers win.

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Rifneno wrote...

*remembers the last 4 operations that he got "rewarded" with an eagle*

... Meh Let the Reapers win.


We also get a megi-gel cap increase to 6 if we complete the allied goal *insentive*

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Either way Freddy, you are forgetting that the thing SHOULD start in the Local Cluster and for reasons unknown it does not.

Which is the point of my whole video. Did you at least see it?

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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You noticed that the EC scrapped Joker from the flashbacks?

I'm pretty sure it's dependent of the amount of interaction for the flashback after Anderson.

No. Joker was always there as the first one pre-EC. In my main playthrough pre-EC he was there but in the same playthrough post-EC he wasn't.

I meant pre EC it was fixed for Joker, now I guess it is dependent of the amount of interaction or some other variable how much you "like" that character.

So did anyone get Joker in the flashbacks post-EC?

I don't know about that but I can say that in my playthrough that is imported from ME2 where I nearly accidently started a relationship with Thane always get him.

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Oh god don't start the whole Viper, Apein thing again

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*remembers the last 4 operations that he got "rewarded" with an eagle*

... Meh Let the Reapers win.


We also get a megi-gel cap increase to 6 if we complete the allied goal *insentive*


If you need more than 5 medi-gels to complete a mission, there's something wrong.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

RoboticWays wrote...

So many responses, I never played the Arrival DLC so i was unaware of that. And if he was indoctrinated, then he was forced as a puppet by the Reapers to open the Citadel, and activate the crucible? If he were and indoctrinated puppet,he would side with TIM and back him up throughout the game.


No you misunderstand the Indoctrination theory I think.

Shepard is not Indoctrinated yet, he is undergoing the process towards Indoctrination.

The events on Earth is the breaking point. Essentially under the etjory everything Shepard sees after the beam is a hallucination in his mind brought on by him fighting the Indoctrination. TIM is first agressive aprt of the Indoctrination as the Reapers try to forcefully turn Shepard over and the choice is the trick part as Shepard has resisted the initial assult and now they have to trick his mind into agreeing with the Reaper philophy on their own.

Destroy represents resistance, Shepard casting aside Indoctrination and holding firm to his beliefs.



Posted Image
Posted Image

Weird!


wait I didn't know the beams originated from the area "the Arrival" dlc is? that's interesting.


It dose look like it's the same place, only in ME3 it's just turned to the left because the galaxy is spining.

What do you think about this Robotic?


Since you have not played the Arrival I thought I would bring this up.

You guys, the Viper Nebula is NOT the starting point of the mass relay explosions. That is the Apien Crest.
Check my vid for the reasons why and the proofs to back it up.

Although the Apien Crest makes more sense, and actually the planet you see when starting the assault looks like Palaven rather than Earth, but still you can see which connections the Mass Relays establish when using the Galaxy Map, and the connections from the Apien Crest just don't fit.

Nor does the Viper Nebula fit either. If the Viper Nebula was the starting point then the Local Cluster should be the 2nd explosion, but it's not, in fact it is the SEVENTH in the line of explosions. Remember that the Viper Nebula is the backdoor to the Local Cluster, and thus, you can only enter the Viper Nebula through the Local Cluster Mass Relay.

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Arian Dynas

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WRONG.

The Viper nebula, aside from no longer even HAVING a Mass Relay since we blew it up, could go to ANY other relay in the entire Milky Way.

This was carefully described in The Arrival.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Ok let's say you're right and it is bad writing... that just means you get a pyrrhic victory right? If DLC that's coming out has no post ending content than there really is not a whole lot of value to it, at least for me.
The reason I got ME2 DLC was cause it carried over to ME3. ME is all about choice and concequences. If we already know how ME3 ends and that there will be no further changes than what is the appeal of more ME3 DLC unless there are changes? Would anyone here pay for DLC if there was not post-ending content... I know I wouldn't.


Why not? I know plenty of games with SP that don't add to the ending but still add to the lore and therefor are worth the purchase. Deus Ex: The Missling Link (a DLC for Deus Ex: Human Revolution) comes to mind. The Missing Link DLC did not change the endings of Deus Ex: HR, yet it was still worth the purchase because it added a nice extra mission to the game with tons of interesting new lore.

So yeah, I think most people buy DLC for the lore, so as long as DLC brings intesting extra lore that really adds to the Mass Effect universe, people will buy it, even if it doesn't influence the ending in any single way.

Plus I'm not just a ME fan, I used to be a Star Wars fan (than Jar Jar happened), Battlestar Gallatica fan (than season 4 happened), Star Trek fan (than DS9 and Voyager happened), Matrix fan (than Reloaded and Revolutions happened), and Aliens fan (than Aliens 3 and other movies happened) I can't lose another sci-fi franchise...


I used to be a ME fan, but then I took a ME3 in the knee.

Let's just wait and see what happens with Leviathan, if you're right in the end than "yay, sadness for everyone." If Heretic and Robotic are right I'll pay for a giant billboard that says "Heretic and Robotic are right, sadness reigns" with a giant Eeyore on it.


I would love to see that, but you can leave the "sadness reigns" part. Although I would understand why you would be sad if Robotic and I turn out to be right.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Battlestar Gallatica fan (than season 4 happened), Star Trek fan (than DS9 and Voyager happened)

What is there to dislike about DS9? It's the most sophisticated of the Series, much more than TOS and TNG. Naming it and ignoring Enterprise does seem strange, though I could dismiss it if you say "there is no Enterprise".
I somewhat agree on S4 of BSG if you look at most of the religion stuff, but I would disagree about the rest of it.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

You noticed that the EC scrapped Joker from the flashbacks?

I'm pretty sure it's dependent of the amount of interaction for the flashback after Anderson.

No. Joker was always there as the first one pre-EC. In my main playthrough pre-EC he was there but in the same playthrough post-EC he wasn't.

I meant pre EC it was fixed for Joker, now I guess it is dependent of the amount of interaction or some other variable how much you "like" that character.

So did anyone get Joker in the flashbacks post-EC?

I don't know about that but I can say that in my playthrough that is imported from ME2 where I nearly accidently started a relationship with Thane always get him.

I don't understand that change. Anderson's flashback is still always played.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...


smokingotter1 wrote...

Battlestar Gallatica fan (than season 4 happened), Star Trek fan (than DS9 and Voyager happened)

What is there to dislike about DS9? It's the most sophisticated of the Series, much more than TOS and TNG. Naming it and ignoring Enterprise does seem strange, though I could dismiss it if you say "there is no Enterprise".
I somewhat agree on S4 of BSG if you look at most of the religion stuff, but I would disagree about the rest of it.


You obviously don't remember the Grand Nagus from DS9.... Enterprise was... eh, didn't dislike it.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Let's just wait and see what happens with Leviathan, if you're right in the end than "yay, sadness for everyone." If Heretic and Robotic are right I'll pay for a giant billboard that says "Heretic and Robotic are right, sadness reigns" with a giant Eeyore on it.


I would love to see that, but you can leave the "sadness reigns" part. Although I would understand why you would be sad if Robotic and I turn out to be right.

BW already said they wont do anything that confirms if the endings are true or not.

Though seeing how Puella Magi Madoka Magica handled it quite comparable I could see Control as some pyrrhic victory.