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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

You're missing my point.
Yes, you can go to any other system using the Viper Nebula. But, in order to get to those locations, you MUST first jump through the Local Cluster Relay before reaching your desired destination.
This is how the Mass Effect 2 Galaxy Map works.


Yes, but they stated that the Alpha relay goes DIRECTLY to all other relays.

That info is meaningless, knowing that the Starting point is the Apien Crest, not the Viper Nebula. Not being mean, just pointing out the obvious.

I'm starting to think it's neither.
Also here, found this on ye olde thread.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/2246#12012564

I hope my video clarifies it for you if you haven't seen it yet.


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I am still disappointed we only get to destroy Destroyers in ME3, not a single capital ship (cutscenes excluded).

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Full extraction baby!


AUGH! What happened to your fa- Avatar?

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Also, bought a copy of Total War: Shogun 2, and I gotta say, I'm digging it big time. Routed an attack on Kagoshima when the Daiymo of the Ito clan got uppity. He had 600 men. I had slightly less than 260.

I love it when I'm good.

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FreddyCast wrote...

Has anyone thought of writing a good and explanatory argument on how we can defeat the Reapers with unconventional means?


I'm thinking time travel, or teaching the reapers to love.

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Noticed this thread doesn't talk about the IT theory much anymore....

Has everyone given up, or lost hope?

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Vaya wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Has anyone thought of writing a good and explanatory argument on how we can defeat the Reapers with unconventional means?


I'm thinking time travel, or teaching the reapers to love.

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That was a good one. Time travel seems interesting, although I don't know how that will work story-wise.

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

Noticed this thread doesn't talk about the IT theory much anymore....

Has everyone given up, or lost hope?


Nah, we just don't have much to talk about lately.

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

Noticed this thread doesn't talk about the IT theory much anymore....

Has everyone given up, or lost hope?

Well, my inquiry as to how we should defeat the Reapers through unconventional means is related to the IT, in that if it's true we are going to need a new ending, and part of that ending demands an answer as to how to defeat the Reapers.

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XXIceColdXX wrote...

Noticed this thread doesn't talk about the IT theory much anymore....

Has everyone given up, or lost hope?


everyone is basicly waiting for the Mass effect panel tomorrow I think. See if any new info comes out. We still talk about IT just not at the moment. Plus some of us are going for the MP weekend event.

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FreddyCast wrote...

Vaya wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Has anyone thought of writing a good and explanatory argument on how we can defeat the Reapers with unconventional means?


I'm thinking time travel, or teaching the reapers to love.

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That was a good one. Time travel seems interesting, although I don't know how that will work story-wise.


*shifty* Uh... well at one point I DID sugguest the theory that the Crucible is in fact designed to pull ships using Mass Relays in the past to a point beyond lightspeed into the future, gaining us re-enforcement by way of Prothean and other armadas.

Yeah I thought it was crazy too.

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FreddyCast wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

You're missing my point.
Yes, you can go to any other system using the Viper Nebula. But, in order to get to those locations, you MUST first jump through the Local Cluster Relay before reaching your desired destination.
This is how the Mass Effect 2 Galaxy Map works.


Yes, but they stated that the Alpha relay goes DIRECTLY to all other relays.

That info is meaningless, knowing that the Starting point is the Apien Crest, not the Viper Nebula. Not being mean, just pointing out the obvious.

I'm starting to think it's neither.
Also here, found this on ye olde thread.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423/2246#12012564

I hope my video clarifies it for you if you haven't seen it yet.

But where you labeled the Viper Nebula doesn't look right? It's not on the same arm as the Apien crest or Aethon cluster. Now that I'm watching the splodey colors again, it does seem like it could be Apien crest. Second place hit would then be Aethon cluster, and this still doesn't make any sense as a starting point to the splosions.

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Arian Dynas wrote...]

*shifty* Uh... well at one point I DID sugguest the theory that the Crucible is in fact designed to pull ships using Mass Relays in the past to a point beyond lightspeed into the future, gaining us re-enforcement by way of Prothean and other armadas.

Yeah I thought it was crazy too.


Holy carp, stop mind reading me!  I came up with that concept as well!  Heck, it could have even been a Prothean plan - and by their point of view it would work almost instantly.  Suddenly they are pouring through a time portal and helping the allied fleets against the Reapers.

But yeah, it is crazy.  Crazy awesome.

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FreddyCast wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Noticed this thread doesn't talk about the IT theory much anymore....

Has everyone given up, or lost hope?

Well, my inquiry as to how we should defeat the Reapers through unconventional means is related to the IT, in that if it's true we are going to need a new ending, and part of that ending demands an answer as to how to defeat the Reapers.


More seriously , I think the reapers best weapon isn't overwhelming firepower, it's indoctrination. Beat that and you have a chance, which would be why the Illusive man was studing it, not because he wanted to control the reapers.

Thats why its the key to the ending.

Thats why we are talking about it, Indoctrination Theory and all that.

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Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...]

*shifty* Uh... well at one point I DID sugguest the theory that the Crucible is in fact designed to pull ships using Mass Relays in the past to a point beyond lightspeed into the future, gaining us re-enforcement by way of Prothean and other armadas.

Yeah I thought it was crazy too.


Holy carp, stop mind reading me!  I came up with that concept as well!  Heck, it could have even been a Prothean plan - and by their point of view it would work almost instantly.  Suddenly they are pouring through a time portal and helping the allied fleets against the Reapers.

But yeah, it is crazy.  Crazy awesome.

Dragonriders of Pern, anyone?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Vaya wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Has anyone thought of writing a good and explanatory argument on how we can defeat the Reapers with unconventional means?


I'm thinking time travel, or teaching the reapers to love.

Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image
That was a good one. Time travel seems interesting, although I don't know how that will work story-wise.


*shifty* Uh... well at one point I DID sugguest the theory that the Crucible is in fact designed to pull ships using Mass Relays in the past to a point beyond lightspeed into the future, gaining us re-enforcement by way of Prothean and other armadas.

Yeah I thought it was crazy too.

Actually, that doesn't sound crazy at all, that sounds awesome. I would love to see armadas from past cycles get their revenge on the Reapers. Not only would the Reapers face a united galaxy, but a united galaxy from all the past 20,000 cycles the Reapers have harvested. That would be TOTAL EPICNESS. Plus, the Reapers would be totally outnumbered for sure. For every Sovereign class Reaper, it would face 10x, 20x, 50x, dreadnought ships throughout all past history in one moment in time and place. The Battle for Earth would literally be the final battle to end all battles.Posted Image

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, bought a copy of Total War: Shogun 2, and I gotta say, I'm digging it big time. Routed an attack on Kagoshima when the Daiymo of the Ito clan got uppity. He had 600 men. I had slightly less than 260.

I love it when I'm good.

defending sieges is way too easy in Shogun 2, especially if you're the Ikko-Ikki. 

Once, the Oda clan attacked Obama with an army made of over 1000 men, made out of mostly Yari samurai and Yari-ashigaru. I had an army of about 400 bow-ashigaru and katana ronin. 

At the end of the battle, the enemy had lost about 800 men, and I had lost a little over 100.

Modifié par estebanus, 14 juillet 2012 - 01:11 .


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Could someone tell me why a window was broken when the conversation with Sovereign was ended?

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juillet 2012 - 01:16 .


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Haha Punny, I loved your reaction.

"Wait, is that Banshee invisible? Nope" *Missile launcher*

"can't be dealing with that"

Thanks for playing, had a really fun time! xD

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FreddyCast wrote...

Vaya wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Has anyone thought of writing a good and explanatory argument on how we can defeat the Reapers with unconventional means?


I'm thinking time travel, or teaching the reapers to love.

Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image
That was a good one. Time travel seems interesting, although I don't know how that will work story-wise.


It was a rebound off of one of Jokers one liners, but I suppose it would be just as fore-shadowed as a one liner from a VI implying the existance of the starkid. Posted Image

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Has anyone else noticed that in all 3 (or 4) endings both pre and post EC dlc, We are NEVER shown what happens to Harbinger, Are we supposed to just assume that he was destroyed/controlled or part of the synthesis group now?, I find it hard to believe that Bioware would go out of the way to kill/defeat the antagonist of 2 games offscreen. Im not convinced he is gone till I see his robotic corpse floating somewhere within the Sol system.

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Dam0299 wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that in all 3 (or 4) endings both pre and post EC dlc, We are NEVER shown what happens to Harbinger, Are we supposed to just assume that he was destroyed/controlled or part of the synthesis group now?, I find it hard to believe that Bioware would go out of the way to kill/defeat the antagonist of 2 games offscreen. Im not convinced he is gone till I see his robotic corpse floating somewhere within the Sol system.


Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Harbinger elaborated on in future DLC. BioWare knows his popularity, and I bet that was a plan all along.

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Dam0299 wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that in all 3 (or 4) endings both pre and post EC dlc, We are NEVER shown what happens to Harbinger, Are we supposed to just assume that he was destroyed/controlled or part of the synthesis group now?, I find it hard to believe that Bioware would go out of the way to kill/defeat the antagonist of 2 games offscreen. Im not convinced he is gone till I see his robotic corpse floating somewhere within the Sol system.


Right, they introduced a soverign level antagonist at the end of ME2, built up the whole game just to introduce him even, and then forgot about him for all of the third game. Must be bad writing. Seems legit.


I don't think we are done yet, that would be bad writing of epic proportions.

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Man, so many new faces for old names. Finally I can tell all you guys apart properly!

Anyway, dropping in to share a thought about Control.

The Starbrat, regarding Control, said...

You will die. You will control us, but you will lose everything you have.
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Your connection to your kind will be lost, though you will remain aware of their existence.

Grunt said...

I am trained, I know things, but the tank... Okeer couldn't implant connection. His words are hollow.
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Want? I do what I am meant to... Nothing in the tank ever asked what I want.
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I feel nothing for Okeer's clan or his enemies. That imprint failed. He has failed.
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Without a reason that's mine, one fight is as good as any other. Might as well start with you.
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Okeer is just a voice in the tank. If his imprints are true, then he created something stronger than him. So he's not worthy of me. And if his hatreds aren't strong enough to compel me, they've failed, too. I feel nothing. I have no connection.


Grunt was imprinted with technology provided by the collectors and developed by an indoctrinated sleeper agent (Thanoptis). i.e. Technology of reaper origin. Like the wires in Blue. So yeah, "Shepard" won't be doing any commanding in Control. Reaper!Shep may, but they're likely to get different ideas on how to tend their flock...

Modifié par Simon_Says, 14 juillet 2012 - 01:35 .