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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#45801
RavenEyry

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

And no single Reaper has been seen.


They left a light on in the kitchen. Be back in 5.

#45802
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No Reapers. No taking back Earth. That's how it's going to work. Oh and what about that new challenge that we heard about?

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masster blaster wrote...

No Reapers. No taking back Earth. That's how it's going to work. Oh and what about that new challenge that we heard about?



Apparently, you will be fighting all three factions. Starting with one in the earlier rounds, and it ends with pretty much banshees, phantoms and geth primes.

#45804
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Lex is there a way to get nothing but husk if we have to defend an area where we have to up load something because if we do. It's going to be awsome, but will suck if you get cornered by wave after waves of husk.

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not even a reaper in the background? :(

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Yes very sad indeed Rose, but never fear. We have Rio home of the N7 program and the elite N7 recruits.

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I wish MP had assault maps/mode where you have to complete a series of objectives like back in the day with unreal tournament. Could you imagine a mission in phases where you take down a cerberus vessel for instance? Phase one, board, phase two, hack systems, progress to next part of map, phase three set up bomb, phase four escape. All the while you're all on time limit.

Ah unreal tournament, those were the days.

#45808
RavenEyry

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It's quiet, too quiet...

#45809
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Calm before the SDCC storm.

#45810
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smokingotter1 wrote...

I wish MP had assault maps/mode where you have to complete a series of objectives like back in the day with unreal tournament. Could you imagine a mission in phases where you take down a cerberus vessel for instance? Phase one, board, phase two, hack systems, progress to next part of map, phase three set up bomb, phase four escape. All the while you're all on time limit.

Ah unreal tournament, those were the days.


lol Never seen me saying "*Gets her Redeemer and puts on her Monocle*"?

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Many of you have probably seen this, but Arian Dynas recommended I put it here also.

It's my new theory I've formed based on information gathered between now and when the EC was released.


This theory is born out of Shepard's marvelous speech about freedom and the right to choose our own fate. And also the Catalyst's puberty taking it's toll when it says "so be it."

The reason being because after such an awesome speech and the catalyst's line, the game just pauses for a bit focusing on Shepard, like something is meant to happen, right around the point the Catalyst says "the cycle continues" with the camera zoomed back. Then the game just kind of drops it on your head that you lost (via Liara's time capsule).

Wouldn't it be cool, if these base 3 endings were because we didn't have all the pieces to the puzzle yet. And so dlc, Omega, Leviathan, other?... adds to it and helps shape better endings.

When I say better, I mean "more win."

We already have the fourth one, which could be acting as a vent for the next one.

So for example..

-|D|-|C|-|S|-
---\\---|---/---
--|Refuse|--
-----/---\\-----
---|S|-|F|---

Success and Fail.
We've already received the fail one being Liara's time capsule. This could be subjugated to just a really low EMS refuse ending cut off line. Then every ending above this line is formed into a single ending (still based on EMS : Success rate) that varies in many different choices from across the three games.

Because Mass Effect is meant to be all about roleplaying and choices. The base endings we got are still endings. What I mean is, because people play their Shepard's differently, they might want a playthrough to compromise with the Catalyst and become a Reaper, Change the galaxy, or if they don't care about the Geth, get a decent ending in itself. Which would be the genius thing as well, because it allows them to see what we'd pick with our canon playthrough, had we only had those options. Then also because it has less to do with the lore and people that didn't play ME1&2 before 3 aren't missing out on things. For instance, our choices from previous games.

This theory also disproves people that complain they sold a game without an ending. Because we did receive "some" of them.

Basically, if this dlc theory holds weight, we could still get astounding endings where we can 'win'.


This theory also assumes they left the Leviathan leaks in the EC on purpose to give us something to hold onto, give us faith something is coming. Because with all the media/consumer outrage that's been going on, to do this by accident would be very slack and lazy, hence a testament to why fans are upset in the first place.

Personal: If this theory is true, and it affects the refuse ending, then it could still be an astounding ending. If not, then I think it's safe to say these endings are permanent. And only then can I have closure.

This idea also dabbles into "speculation" quotes from BioWare, why seek speculation if there's nothing to speculate for? And also the whole thing about closure, and not being able to receive any until we know (for certain) how to view these endings.

ALSO, if there's anything that has been discussed in IT that can relate to this, It would be very welcomed =)

What do you think?

Let the ****storm begin.

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Rosewind wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

I wish MP had assault maps/mode where you have to complete a series of objectives like back in the day with unreal tournament. Could you imagine a mission in phases where you take down a cerberus vessel for instance? Phase one, board, phase two, hack systems, progress to next part of map, phase three set up bomb, phase four escape. All the while you're all on time limit.

Ah unreal tournament, those were the days.


lol Never seen me saying "*Gets her Redeemer and puts on her Monocle*"?


:lol: That would be an awesome rare item... a redeemer like weapon based on some of the tech used to build the crucible, giant insta kill streak!

#45813
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Jade8aby88 wrote...
-snip-

I did notice tht refuseal builds up but then just stops suddenly. I like the idea of each DLC adding a little more to it until a final complete product, but I doubt it'll happen.

Be sure to check refusal after the next SP DLC.

#45814
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@Jade8aby88 makes sense and is something I suspect... I mean without post-dlc content there is not a lot of appeal (for me at least) to buying DLC. Would also explain why they added MP, to keep players engaged and raise money to fund further DLC and "the war." I think you just described the best case scenario for IT.

Edit: Worst case scenerio-
What's the worst case for IT? DLC from BW with
no post-ending changes but some small scraps in the form of hints in
the new DLCs. Eventually 10 years later writers do an interview with
gamespot where they reveal the ending is indoctrination. The few of us
who haven't succumed to old age celebrate. The story is quickly buried
under the new hype for Halo 15 on the Xbox 10000. All resturants are Taco Bell (I wonder if anyone will get that reference)

Modifié par smokingotter1, 14 juillet 2012 - 08:40 .


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@Jade8aby88

I like it. Think most of us can at least agree Bioware is up to something with all that marvelous DLC planned.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Jade8aby88

I like it. Think most of us can at least agree Bioware is up to something with all that marvelous DLC planned.

Have I missed any announcements?

#45817
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paxxton wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Jade8aby88

I like it. Think most of us can at least agree Bioware is up to something with all that marvelous DLC planned.

Have I missed any announcements?

Probably refering to that 'keep your saves forever' comment.

#45818
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RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Jade8aby88

I like it. Think most of us can at least agree Bioware is up to something with all that marvelous DLC planned.

Have I missed any announcements?

Probably refering to that 'keep your saves forever' comment.


Yes that and other similar hints. Sorry, I may have been exagerrating a bit.

#45819
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Jade8aby88 wrote...

*snip*

What do you think?

Let the ****storm begin.


Sorry, but I think:

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Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 14 juillet 2012 - 08:46 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

I wish MP had assault maps/mode where you have to complete a series of objectives like back in the day with unreal tournament. Could you imagine a mission in phases where you take down a cerberus vessel for instance? Phase one, board, phase two, hack systems, progress to next part of map, phase three set up bomb, phase four escape. All the while you're all on time limit.

Ah unreal tournament, those were the days.


lol Never seen me saying "*Gets her Redeemer and puts on her Monocle*"?


:lol: That would be an awesome rare item... a redeemer like weapon based on some of the tech used to build the crucible, giant insta kill streak!


The Redeemer is bascly the same as the Kain if you think about it, it's just a heavy weapon.

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WTF?! I've just watched the Rio gameplay. Where are the palm trees?? Where's the beach!? And the sun? WTF!?? Posted Image

If this is Rio, I'm totally disappointed. Posted ImagePosted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 14 juillet 2012 - 08:55 .


#45822
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paxxton wrote...

WTF?! I've just watched the Rio gameplay. Where are the palm trees?? Where's the beach!? WTF!??


For some reason I was expecting  a war torn beachhead. But, looks like some kind of important military facility so /shrug.

. . . I get the feeling I have some serious low expectations to be this hyped compared to most people.

#45823
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paxxton wrote...

WTF?! I've just watched the Rio gameplay. Where are the palm trees?? Where's the beach and the sun!? WTF!?? Posted Image

If this is Rio, I'm totally disappointed. Posted ImagePosted Image


Where are the slums! Where are the unmarked taxis!

#45824
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

*snip*

What do you think?

Let the ****storm begin.


Sorry, but I think:

*snip grasping at straws shot*


By the Ancients, Heretic you're still posting here? Sorry, most adamant literalist move on by now and leave us to our speculating/grasping.

Anyway, Jade's theory is just a theory. much like the various Indoctrination Theories until proven otherwise, but seems plausable so far as I can tell.

#45825
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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

*snip*

What do you think?

Let the ****storm begin.


Sorry, but I think:

Posted Image


I'm a pc gamer and that is totally too healthy looking. More hot pocket less veggie.