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[estebanus]

Jimmyboi wrote...

Aint gonna happen man. All these theories are plausible. I used to hate the ending. Now that I've played through it again I realize what they were doing. But your fight is commendable.

How about the theory of it was all a dream and the ending is a midget that wakes up, looks across his bedroom and sees Ashley in a Bunny costume (you know the ones) looks at the camera and raises his eyebrow?

Just sayin...

uhm... What?

[Jimmyboi]

estebanus wrote...

Jimmyboi wrote...

Aint gonna happen man. All these theories are plausible. I used to hate the ending. Now that I've played through it again I realize what they were doing. But your fight is commendable.

How about the theory of it was all a dream and the ending is a midget that wakes up, looks across his bedroom and sees Ashley in a Bunny costume (you know the ones) looks at the camera and raises his eyebrow?

Just sayin...

uhm... What?

Don't worry. I ask myself that everyday.

Carry on.

[The Heretic of Time]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

How long does Graysons Indoctrination span?

A few months, but the indoctrination already started within merely a few hours after the reaper nanites were implanted in his brains. 

Paul Grayson was a red sand addict, so the reaper nanites used that to their advantage. They started speaking to Paul within his own head when he was at his weakest, craving for a hit of red sand (which he couldn't get because he was imprisoned by Cerberus).

[paxxton]

Complete Unification Theory (CUT, working name) coming soon to a BSN thread near you!

[munnellyladt]

Alright this is just rediculous,heritic why are you here?if you don't support IT then that does not mean you have to keep posting that on this thread.Were not going to convince you and your not going to convince us.

If you want to talk about how you don't like IT then make your own thread.

[Lord Goose]

Also, you asking us to name someone who has overcome
indoctrination through means other than suicide is a
pointless request, as we arent saying that Shepard is
indoctrinated, we're saying the Reapers are trying to
indoctrinate her.

Well, name anyone who lived through complex hallucinations and visions which actual choices, which have any meaning during indoctrination attempt.

Just as far as I know, Indoctrination happens regardless of will and actions of the indoctrinated. Just be in contact with Reaper technology long enough and you will be indoctrinated regardless of your actions. Say, Amanda Kenson, who wanted to prevent Reapers invasion, but due to weeks and weeks of contact with Object Rho started to worship Reapers. Or those guys in ME2 who digged out Reapers artifact, and intended to sell it.

[Uncle Jo]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Vendetta: "At some point, it is difficult to pinpoint when, the Crucible plans were adapted to incoporate the use of the Catalyst."

This sentence makes little sense when sparkly tells you it is little more than a power source. If it is little more than a power source then what was it powering before the incoporation of the Catalyst (Citadel)? Did they simply build a power source and hope it could stop the Reapers?

Obviously not. A stupid answer would be another giant gun which could only kill/shut-down the Reapers which were at "shoot" range. Inefficient, slow to move (if even possible), when we know that all relays were deactivated in the previous cycles and easy to destroy between two shots (if reloading possible). Maybe also lacking of firepower.

The brat's explanation about the Crucible saying "we thought that the concept was eradicated" gave me also a good laugh.

What do you think of the weapon that took out the derelict Reaper in ME2 ?

My other concern is why in the world the commands for destroy and control are on the Citadel in a part where no organic ever was ?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:06 .

[estebanus]

Jimmyboi wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Jimmyboi wrote...

Aint gonna happen man. All these theories are plausible. I used to hate the ending. Now that I've played through it again I realize what they were doing. But your fight is commendable.

How about the theory of it was all a dream and the ending is a midget that wakes up, looks across his bedroom and sees Ashley in a Bunny costume (you know the ones) looks at the camera and raises his eyebrow?

Just sayin...

uhm... What?

Don't worry. I ask myself that everyday.

Carry on.

You all right? I mean, you aren't feeling a certain stinging pain in your chest, right? Do you have headaches frequently?

[FellishBeast]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Grayson actually had Reaper tech in him though. Shepard doesnt.

You don't know that. TIM actually pulled off a miracle with Project Lazerus. Never before did anyone manage to bring back a human being to life. It's obvious that super-advanced tech was used to resurrect Shepard. It could very well be that super-advanced tech is reaper tech.

Also, you asking us to name someone who has overcome indoctrination through means other than suicide is a pointless request, as we arent saying that Shepard is indoctrinated, we're saying the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate her.

Theres a very big difference between the two.

The codex states that indoctrination has to be done very carefully over a very long period of time. During that period, the Reaper or the indoctrination device has to constantly feed the mind of the victim with suggestions.
Rapid indoctrination is possible, but it will shatter the mind of the indoctrinated person, leaving little more than a simple drone, a husk.

So, with that knowledge, how do you fit that with the IT? Do you think Shepard was already under the influence of indoctrination before the end of ME3? If that's indeed true, than who or what was feeding Shepard's mind  all the time and how?

How do you explain renegade Shep's red eyes if he isn't indoctrinated? You need to check your facts and stop grasping at straws. 

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


You don't know that. TIM actually pulled off a miracle with Project Lazerus. Never before did anyone manage to bring back a human being to life. It's obvious that super-advanced tech was used to resurrect Shepard. It could very well be that super-advanced tech is reaper tech.

Well, given that Miranda was in charge of project Lazarus, I'd figure she'd have noticed any unfamiliar tech that had been implanted in Shep. She pushed for a control chip to be installed in Shep, and TIM said no, claiming he didnt want to alter Shep's personality in any way. If he planned to insert Reaper tech that he knows has a high probability of not only altering Shep's personality, but even possibly causing her to turn against him, you'd think he'd have been all for a control chip.

The codex states that indoctrination has to be done very carefully over a very long period of time. During that period, the Reaper or the indoctrination device has to constantly feed the mind of the victim with suggestions.
Rapid indoctrination is possible, but it will shatter the mind of the indoctrinated person, leaving little more than a simple drone, a husk

So, with that knowledge, how do you fit that with the IT? Do you think Shepard was already under the influence of indoctrination before the end of ME3? If that's indeed true, than who or what was feeding Shepard's mind  all the time and how?

I figure it was something aboard the Normandy. Theres that infamous line from James about hearing an odd hum. I think its possible that either the IFF, EDI, or even something snuck aboard by an indoctrinated agent during the refit is causing it.

From what we know, Shep only starts getting those dreams once she gets on the Normandy, and more shadows appear in the dreams the longer she's aboard.

I think it being caused by the IFF is a pretty good guess though. You only had it aboard shortly during ME2, so not really enough time for indoctrination to start, it is specifically stated multiple times to still be present on board after the refit, and is a Reaper device thats entire purpose is to transmit signals.

[Lord Goose]

First off, why would their 'gut feeling' change in control or
synthesis? Does space magic alter gut feelings?

It is plausible to assume that it is because Shepard's omni-tool is completely destroyed. In destroy it is still intact and Shepard simply not answering, but in Control and Synthesis it is evaporated.

If we assume that this scene happens in a few days afterwards, it is possible to assume that either Catalyst Shepard contacted them, or that it is became known due to awakened Reapers. And they found Shepard's remains.

[byne]

munnellyladt wrote...

Alright this is just rediculous,heritic why are you here?if you don't support IT then that does not mean you have to keep posting that on this thread.Were not going to convince you and your not going to convince us.

If you want to talk about how you don't like IT then make your own thread.

Come on, if we dont have literalists in here, then its just going to be a bunch of us confirming how awesome we all are, and long stretches of silence as we dont discuss anything.

[Jimmyboi]

Just tried to add a bit of humor to this thread. It's more serious than a victorian boarding school up in here. My apologies.

Truth be told you guys are seriously intelligent in this topic. I tried to add intelect and instead added *insert word that rhymes with intelect here*

Take care have a good one.

Modifié par Jimmyboi, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:11 .

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

First off, why would their 'gut feeling' change in control or synthesis? Does space magic alter gut feelings?

In Control they know Shepard is not alive because he is the new Catalyst now. I assume that it shouldn't be impossible for the Shepard Catalyst to simply contact his former LI and tell her what's happening.

In Synthesis everything is different. I can't anser for Synthesis because it's just such a weird ending to begin with. 


Anyway, I wouldn't look too much into it. It's just BioWare trying to tell a story. It's nice to see how in Destroy your LI refuses to accept Shepard's faith and then seeing a cliffhanger shot of Shepard possibly being alive. It's just cool, it's "artictic". It's a silly explanation, but I think it's the most plausible explanation. Not everything has to make sense. Sometimes things are just done in a certain way to make it look, feel and flow better.

Also, unless the Memorial scene and the Normandy taking off scene take place months apart, you'd think they'd have found Shepard by then in the destroy ending.

Not likely. Do you think all corpses of all deceased people were found after 9/11? Do you think all corpses of all deceased were found in Japan after the earthquake and tsunami?

It's not unlikely that Shepard's corpse simply isn't found at the moment the Normandy is fixed, which could be merely a few hours after the Crucible decision, or a few days, or maybe a few weeks.

Especially if they have confirmation Anderson is dead. In the literalist ending, Shepard wasnt that far away from Anderson at the end, so unless you think she really did survive reentry and is in fact on Earth, not the Citadel, she should have been found.

I don't think Shepard felt back to Earth. No one would survive that. The breathing scene is obviously still in the Citadel. When the breathing scene takes place and whether Anderson has been found and whether the Normandy crew knows about anything at all, is unknown. I don't know, you don't know, we don't know. We can merely speculate on this part.

Hell, no matter when the memorial scene takes place, Shepard should have already been found. She was heavily bleeding and badly wounded. If she wasnt found fairly soon she would have died.

Perhaps. Maybe BioWare will clarify on this. Maybe not. Maybe Shepard did die a few hours after the breathing scene. Right now we don't know.

I think the breathing scene is again BioWare trying to be artistic. It's a simple nod to the fans who wanted Shepard to be able to survive the ending. I think orignally Mac Walters just wanted Shepard to die in all endings, but they added the breathing scene for the most hardcore fans who wanted their Shepard to live. That's my speculation on it and I think it's quite plausible that this is indeed how and why the breathing scene was created.

[The Heretic of Time]

FellishBeast wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Grayson actually had Reaper tech in him though. Shepard doesnt.

You don't know that. TIM actually pulled off a miracle with Project Lazerus. Never before did anyone manage to bring back a human being to life. It's obvious that super-advanced tech was used to resurrect Shepard. It could very well be that super-advanced tech is reaper tech.

Also, you asking us to name someone who has overcome indoctrination through means other than suicide is a pointless request, as we arent saying that Shepard is indoctrinated, we're saying the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate her.

Theres a very big difference between the two.

The codex states that indoctrination has to be done very carefully over a very long period of time. During that period, the Reaper or the indoctrination device has to constantly feed the mind of the victim with suggestions.
Rapid indoctrination is possible, but it will shatter the mind of the indoctrinated person, leaving little more than a simple drone, a husk.

So, with that knowledge, how do you fit that with the IT? Do you think Shepard was already under the influence of indoctrination before the end of ME3? If that's indeed true, than who or what was feeding Shepard's mind  all the time and how?

How do you explain renegade Shep's red eyes if he isn't indoctrinated? You need to check your facts and stop grasping at straws. 

And you need to stop trying to troll me. Trolling is my job, not yours. Now stop grasping at straws and get your facts straight! 

[estebanus]

Jimmyboi wrote...

Just tried to add a bit of humor to this thread. It's more serious than a victorian boarding school up in here. My apologies.

Truth be told you guys are seriously intelligent in this topic. I tried to add intelect and instead added *insert word that rhymes with intelect here*

Take care have a good one.

Oh, I wasn't trying to be insulting, trust me! I just didn't read your post in a joking manner, is all! 

All though, can you really blame us for being serious? I mean, look at the people we're dealing with here!

[ThisOneIsPunny]

byne wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Alright this is just rediculous,heritic why are you here?if you don't support IT then that does not mean you have to keep posting that on this thread.Were not going to convince you and your not going to convince us.

If you want to talk about how you don't like IT then make your own thread.

Come on, if we dont have literalists in here, then its just going to be a bunch of us confirming how awesome we all are, and long stretches of silence as we dont discuss anything.

That depends, can I read the post without thinking "Wow, I could really go for some peppers in my eyes right now!" ?
Because if I can't :
silence>occular massage with peppers

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Also, unless the Memorial scene and the Normandy taking off scene take place months apart, you'd think they'd have found Shepard by then in the destroy ending.

Not likely. Do you think all corpses of all deceased people were found after 9/11? Do you think all corpses of all deceased were found in Japan after the earthquake and tsunami?

It's not unlikely that Shepard's corpse simply isn't found at the moment the Normandy is fixed, which could be merely a few hours after the Crucible decision, or a few days, or maybe a few weeks.

Do they still hold off on putting your name up in destroy even if your EMS isnt high enough to get the breath scene? After the EC lowered the EMS needed to get the breath scene, I dont have any chars with low enough EMS

[Jimmyboi]

estebanus wrote...

Jimmyboi wrote...

Just tried to add a bit of humor to this thread. It's more serious than a victorian boarding school up in here. My apologies.

Truth be told you guys are seriously intelligent in this topic. I tried to add intelect and instead added *insert word that rhymes with intelect here*

Take care have a good one.

Oh, I wasn't trying to be insulting, trust me! I just didn't read your post in a joking manner, is all! 

All though, can you really blame us for being serious? I mean, look at the people we're dealing with here!

I can see what you are saying. Carry on fighting the good fight!

[Andromidius]

Jimmyboi wrote...

Aint gonna happen man. All these theories are plausible. I used to hate the ending. Now that I've played through it again I realize what they were doing. But your fight is commendable.

How about the theory of it was all a dream and the ending is a midget that wakes up, looks across his bedroom and sees Ashley in a Bunny costume (you know the ones) looks at the camera and raises his eyebrow?

Just sayin...

If you can make the facts fit your theory, more power to you.

But if not, its a poor comparison.  Try again.

[Lord Goose]

You only had it aboard shortly during ME2, so not
really enough time for indoctrination to start, it is
specifically stated multiple times to still be present on board
after the refit, and is a Reaper device thats entire purpose is
to transmit signals.

Just to note, it s possible to complete about 60% of the game after you acquire IFF. Your crew will die, though, but it is legitimate way to complete ME2.

Also, wasn't IFF software, rather than hardware? Salarian First Fleet managed to copy algorith and made their ships invisible to the Reapers for a short time.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Also, unless the Memorial scene and the Normandy taking off scene take place months apart, you'd think they'd have found Shepard by then in the destroy ending.

Not likely. Do you think all corpses of all deceased people were found after 9/11? Do you think all corpses of all deceased were found in Japan after the earthquake and tsunami?

It's not unlikely that Shepard's corpse simply isn't found at the moment the Normandy is fixed, which could be merely a few hours after the Crucible decision, or a few days, or maybe a few weeks.

Do they still hold off on putting your name up in destroy even if your EMS isnt high enough to get the breath scene? After the EC lowered the EMS needed to get the breath scene, I dont have any chars with low enough EMS

no, they put Shepard's name up there if your EMS isn't high enough.

[Sombrero Bandit]

Shepard wasn't under any form of Reaper control. From what i read symptoms include headaches and hallucinations, feelings of being watched or paranoia, and viewing the Reapers as a sort of "God". From ME to ME3 Shepard resisted as much as he could and probably has the strongest mindset out of anyone in thd whole game. But then again he meets most of the requirements so I could be wrong

[Uncle Jo]

byne wrote...

Do they still hold off on putting your name up in destroy even if your EMS isnt high enough to get the breath scene? After the EC lowered the EMS needed to get the breath scene, I dont have any chars with low enough EMS

Your name is added to the memorial wall when you don't have enough EMS in the destroy ending.

[lex0r11]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

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And you need to stop trying to troll me. Trolling is my job, not yours. Now stop grasping at straws and get your facts straight! 

No hard feelings, just so you saw it too as a visitor.