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[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Oh yeah, and I totally forgot Tuchanka Reaper. So in all we have, in chronological order:

Tuchanka Destroyer - Taken out by a massive Thresher Maw
Rannoch Destroyer - Takes an entire fleet multiple pinpoint barrages to take down, and even then it can still talk
Hades Cannon Destroyer - Taken out by a single round from a Cain
Conduit Destroyer - Taken out by two heavy missles to the eye

I think I can answer the rannoch one, there is no clear shot of the reaper eye, the bombardment still has to get through the armor, in London the slug from the cain gets inside the armor before it closes up.

You can shoot the Cain anywhere on the Hades Cannon Destroyer and score the kill, though. 
edit: Nevermind, it looks like the Cain projectile homes in on a certain target on the Reaper. Still my point remains:

The main point is that the Cain is depicted as being unrealistically deadly to the Reapers. So its either for gameplay purposes, or the London Destroyers arent actually killed and are just playing possum. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 22 mai 2012 - 11:23 .

[Dwailing]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Oh yeah, and I totally forgot Tuchanka Reaper. So in all we have, in chronological order:

Tuchanka Destroyer - Taken out by a massive Thresher Maw
Rannoch Destroyer - Takes an entire fleet multiple pinpoint barrages to take down, and even then it can still talk
Hades Cannon Destroyer - Taken out by a single round from a Cain
Conduit Destroyer - Taken out by two heavy missles to the eye

I think I can answer the rannoch one, there is no clear shot of the reaper eye, the bombardment still has to get through the armor, in London the slug from the cain gets inside the armor before it closes up.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.  'Cause if you look, I don't think there is ever a DIRECT hit on the Reaper's eye on Rannoch.

[Dwailing]

OK, I think I have a partial answer. Look at this video at around the 2:15 mark.

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

You can shoot the Cain anywhere on the Hades Cannon Destroyer and score the kill, though. 

The main point is that if the Cain is depicted as being unrealistically deadly to the Reapers. So its either for gameplay purposes, or the London Destroyers arent actually killed and are just playing possum. 

Everytime I've made the shot, the slug always manouvers and finds a gap before the reapers armor closes, which of course present another piece of confusion, the Cain is a balistic line of sight weapon, the slug does not have the capability to change course.

Modifié par DJBare, 22 mai 2012 - 11:24 .

[Chief Commander]

Probably mentioned ages ago, but what do you make of this?

www.holdtheline.com/threads/do-you-believe-in-the-indoctrination-theory.1909/

Could we at last get our ending we want?

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You can shoot the Cain anywhere on the Hades Cannon Destroyer and score the kill, though. 

The main point is that if the Cain is depicted as being unrealistically deadly to the Reapers. So its either for gameplay purposes, or the London Destroyers arent actually killed and are just playing possum. 

Everytime I've made the shot, the slug always manouvers and finds a gap before the reapers armor closes, which of course present another piece of confusion, the Cain is a balistic line of sight weapon, the slug does not have the capability to change course.

Yeah, I edited my post. And jeez, that's a good point about the Cain.... Could that possibly mean the entire London sequence is in question? It does have that view bobbing thing, too...

[Dwailing]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You can shoot the Cain anywhere on the Hades Cannon Destroyer and score the kill, though. 

The main point is that if the Cain is depicted as being unrealistically deadly to the Reapers. So its either for gameplay purposes, or the London Destroyers arent actually killed and are just playing possum. 

Everytime I've made the shot, the slug always manouvers and finds a gap before the reapers armor closes, which of course present another piece of confusion, the Cain is a balistic line of sight weapon, the slug does not have the capability to change course.

It doesn't have the capability to change course in ME2.  That doesn't mean that it lacks that ability completely.  It could have been modified in the six months between ME2 and ME3.

Edit: Or, it's entirely possible that it had the ability but they chose not to use it in ME2.  I mean seriously, that thing was overpowered enough to begin with, but if it had been able to track enemies, it would have made the final boss a complete joke.

Modifié par Dwailing, 22 mai 2012 - 11:28 .

[Bill Casey]

byne wrote...

I wanna know why even on casual my Cain never killed the Proto-Reaper from ME2 in one shot, but the Cain in ME3 kills a fully grown Destroyer in a single shot.

[speculation mode engaged]


The Hades Canon isn't as durable as the Reaper, and it causes a massive explosion if ruptured. The trade off is superior surface to air firepower...


[speculation complete]

Modifié par Bill Casey, 22 mai 2012 - 11:29 .

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You can shoot the Cain anywhere on the Hades Cannon Destroyer and score the kill, though. 

The main point is that if the Cain is depicted as being unrealistically deadly to the Reapers. So its either for gameplay purposes, or the London Destroyers arent actually killed and are just playing possum. 

Everytime I've made the shot, the slug always manouvers and finds a gap before the reapers armor closes, which of course present another piece of confusion, the Cain is a balistic line of sight weapon, the slug does not have the capability to change course.

Yeah, I edited my post. And jeez, that's a good point about the Cain.... Could that possibly mean the entire London sequence is in question? It does have that view bobbing thing, too...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

[paxxton]

Miranda's and Liara's helmets do not cover their heads wholly in vacuum. Did anyone notice that?

[MegumiAzusa]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You can shoot the Cain anywhere on the Hades Cannon Destroyer and score the kill, though. 

The main point is that if the Cain is depicted as being unrealistically deadly to the Reapers. So its either for gameplay purposes, or the London Destroyers arent actually killed and are just playing possum. 

Everytime I've made the shot, the slug always manouvers and finds a gap before the reapers armor closes, which of course present another piece of confusion, the Cain is a balistic line of sight weapon, the slug does not have the capability to change course.

I was wondering that too, it's nice for the cinematic effect, but it doesn't make sense for the game.

Also watching the scene on Rannoch after killing it on YT. It is really interesting, any shot that doesn't show the beautiful landscape when Tali talks about it always has the Reaper in the background, and then when Tali takes off her mask the camera is even placed that Shep and Tali are out of focus and the Reaper not in view, solely showing Rannoch, swapping the focus from the Reaper.

[Rifneno]

DJBare wrote...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

Shotgun.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Miranda's and Liara's helmets do not cover their heads wholly in vacuum. Did anyone notice that?

Javik doesnt even wear a helmet in vacuum.

Protheans dont give a ****.

To be serious though, a while back I heard speculation that they can use biotic barriers to protect them from vacuum, and so they only need the breather thing.

You'll notice every party member who doesnt have a full head cover in vacuum in ME2 is a biotic.

And before you point out Mordin's helmet not covering his face, he was gonna be a biotic too.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Miranda's and Liara's helmets do not cover their heads wholly in vacuum. Did anyone notice that?

Javik doesnt even wear a helmet in vacuum.

Protheans dont give a ****.

To be serious though, a while back I heard speculation that they can use biotic barriers to protect them from vacuum, and so they only need the breather thing.

You'll notice every party member who doesnt have a full head cover in vacuum in ME2 is a biotic.

And before you point out Mordin's helmet not covering his face, he was gonna be a biotic too.

It even seems he was gonna be a powerful one like Samara and Jack as he has sounds there he does the push back thingy.

[DJBare]

Rifneno wrote...

DJBare wrote...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

Shotgun.

Yup, but I'm thinking more a waking nightmare, some of it is real other's are projections, indoctrination works by convincing the victim to "see" things the reaper way, Saren saw things the reaper way, TIM: "No...I just see things differently now"; Amanda Kenson: "I will die without knowing the Reapers' blessings"; and a more interesting line from Kenson, She tells Shepard that all they had to do was stay asleep and none of this would have happened.

[blooregard]

Dwailing wrote...

DJBare wrote...

blooregard wrote...
Hell since I'm grasping at straws now might as well finish my theory that the Reapers gave the Geth a very primitive boost of self awareness to provoke the morning war (IMO the term "does this unit have a soul" is far too individualistic to have been the geth achieving self awareness by themselves)

Now that's a theory I like, it would certainly boost their propaganda that synthetics are dangerous.

How would they have done that, though?  I mean, I think it's a cool idea, but the execution seems a little difficult.

They communicate at FTL speeds and a Reaper is a Reaper meaning they can probably hack the Geth and give them a rudementry jolt of individualism. The stranger part of my theory is why did they go from "this unit" to "we" if they talk at all? The only way I can answer that is this was a very primitive form of self awareness that was eventually drowned out by the Geth consensus. (think Shiala resisting indoctrination because she's close toe the Zhu's Hope colonists.)

Modifié par blooregard, 22 mai 2012 - 11:51 .

[Ravereth]

DJBare wrote...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

But if he didn't Tali and Garrus aren't together 
....

OBJECTION!

[byne]

Ravereth wrote...

DJBare wrote...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

But if he didn't Tali and Garrus aren't together 
....

OBJECTION!

You think that just because thats the first time you've caught them that its the first time they've done that?

[DJBare]

Ravereth wrote...

DJBare wrote...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

But if he didn't Tali and Garrus aren't together 
....

OBJECTION!

I should have phrased it better, Shepard does wake, but s/he is now in a waking nightmare, most things are real, but which are real and which are dream.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

DJBare wrote...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

Shotgun.

Yup, but I'm thinking more a waking nightmare, some of it is real other's are projections, indoctrination works by convincing the victim to "see" things the reaper way, Saren saw things the reaper way, TIM: "No...I just see things differently now"; Amanda Kenson: "I will die without knowing the Reapers' blessings"; and a more interesting line from Kenson, She tells Shepard that all they had to do was stay asleep and none of this would have happened.

I like that concept better than thinking the entire game from the last dream on is all in Shepard's head. A waking indoctrination nightmare means some of the things could still be real, like the last conversations with your crewmates and whatnot. 

[Squadrito]

I'll just say this...

It's indoctrination theory, or the endings blow bigger donkey d*** than Sniper: Ghost Warrior's ending.

[MegumiAzusa]

Also that weird room right before TIMs control room aka Illusive Temple how it's named in the game files.
Biotics go haywire and just fly off in a random direction. That's some serious stuff and nothing that could be there by chance.

[HellishFiend]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Also that weird room right before TIMs control room aka Illusive Temple how it's named in the game files.
Biotics go haywire and just fly off in a random direction. That's some serious stuff and nothing that could be there by chance.

Yeah, whats up with that? Anyone ever come up with any good theories regarding that?

[MegumiAzusa]

DJBare wrote...

Ravereth wrote...

DJBare wrote...

With everything I'm seeing so far, I'm beginning to wonder if Shepard really woke up after the last dream.

But if he didn't Tali and Garrus aren't together 
....

OBJECTION!

I should have phrased it better, Shepard does wake, but s/he is now in a waking nightmare, most things are real, but which are real and which are dream.

Yupp, Shep could be shooting Alliance soldiers and walk with the Reapers for all we know.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Also that weird room right before TIMs control room aka Illusive Temple how it's named in the game files.
Biotics go haywire and just fly off in a random direction. That's some serious stuff and nothing that could be there by chance.

I like how the room right before that hallway is all blue, and you kind of just ignore the Reaper in the room.

Then theres the green room that has a long path you gotta run up.

Then theres the red room that gets completely destroyed.

Why does that all sound so familiar...