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[byne]

shepdog77 wrote...

Tabloid Journalism Weekly:  "This just in; byne makes disingenuous assertions about shepdog77's snide accusations!"

There, does that work? 

Sounds good to me!

[KJSync]

Dam0299 wrote...

I take it the Q&A left us with MOAR questions and less answers?

As ever...

[FreddyCast]

quote]FreddyCast wrote...

Hey guys, just look at this as an opportunity to make our voices heard even louder.
They want the ending to their game to have many different interpretations. They seriously don't know what to do with the breathing scene. ME 3 can be a game where both the literal interpretation and the IT can be true depending on which ending you prefer.
Literal- Control/Synthesis lovers
IT- Destroy/Refuse lovers
If BW is ever going to come out with Post-ending DLC, then let's help them figure out what to do with it through the IT.
Just a suggestion.[/quote]

[quote]FreddyCast wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

What about All Endings Lovers?[/quote]
 Well, that's the beauty of it.
There can be an IT DLC that we ITers can pay for.
All endings lovers who like the literal interpretation can choose to buy it as well, so they can enjoy it too, yet still hold to their favorite cannon.[/quote]
No, you guys don't think this can work? No one loses anything, and we ITers get what we desire, an ending that sticks true to the ME lore and themes as well as geting that final battle with Harbinger and an end to the Reapers through a combination of unconventional means and the Crucible.

[FreddyCast]

My optomism just killed this thread .

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

- The vent kid feels forced and it's just lame.
- The nightmares about the vent kid feel forced and are retarded.
- The Reapers motivation is retarded and just plain terrible.
- Synthesis space-magic.

I agree that from a literal perspective these things are pretty stupid.

IT makes them somewhat less stupid though.

Not entirely not stupid, mind you, just less stupid.

- Cerberus' douchebaggery. They went from a morally ambiguous splintercell group to standard cliche cannon fodder.

I actually kind of disagree with this one.

The Illusive Man manipulating you into seeing Cerberus in a good light (as is shown in one of the video logs on Cronos station) makes a lot more sense than the borderline evil group from ME1 suddenly being morally ambiguous in ME2.

[Dam0299]

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

[dreamgazer]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Isnt one of the main reasons you dislike the story the fact that you cant side with TIM and preach the virtues of control throughout the entire game, or am I thinking of someone else?

Sounds more like my mate Seboist.

The fact that we get railroaded into fighting Cerberus and fighting against TIM's ideals (only to figure out at the end that TIM was right after all and then you can finally decide to pick Control, DERP!) is indeed one of the reasons why I think the story is crap, but not at all the most pressing reason.


A quick and small list why I think the writing is crap:

- The committee is a joke.
- "We fight or we die, that's the plan!" Really Shepard? REALLY?
- The vent kid feels forced and it's just lame.
- The nightmares about the vent kid feel forced and are retarded.
- Cerberus' douchebaggery. They went from a morally ambiguous splintercell group to standard cliche cannon fodder. 
- The Crucible McGuffin.
- ME2 is pointless, nothing we did in ME2 matters for the main plot.
- Shallow and retarded politics (BioWare should watch and learn from The Witcher 2).
- The Citadel coup is a joke.
- Udina and his silly motivation for the coup is a joke.
- Cerberus became a joke after the coup.
- Kai Leng is a joke.
- The Illusive Man became a joke (while he was such an awesome character in ME2).
- The huge "WTF is the Citadel doing above Earth?" moment with no explanation at all.
- The HUGE Deus Ex Machina we all know as the Catalyst (WTF was BioWare thinking?).
- The Reapers motivation is retarded and just plain terrible.
- Synthesis space-magic.
- "Lots of speculation from everyone!" HERRRDERP!

Then I'll ask you a similar question that I believe I've asked your "mate": why are you even here?

If the writing's crap, then you should be off doing other things that don't involve BioWare, because no answers anyone could give you for the above will change your impressions.  Unless you're here harassing on purpose.

[Cecilia L]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

- Cerberus' douchebaggery. They went from a morally ambiguous splintercell group to standard cliche cannon fodder.
- Udina and his silly motivation for the coup is a joke.
- Cerberus became a joke after the coup.
- The Illusive Man became a joke (while he was such an awesome character in ME2).

Even non-ITers must realise there is a ****load of indoctrination going on that has nothing to do with whether Shepard is one of the targets.

I thought it was a common assumption that Cerberus and TIM is heavily indoctrinated? Even in non-IT parts of the forum? No?

Modifié par Cecilia L, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:04 .

[KJSync]

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

I agree,but after what i saw in SDCC...

[FreddyCast]

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

[Cecilia L]

I was kinda hoping they would annonce something bigger. Something that might actually be interesting to speculate about. The underwater Atlas seems to confirm Leviathan DLC, but that's still no new news.

[Dwailing]

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

My thoughts are that it's some kind of Reaper trap, possibly a mass indoctrination device.  Also, great work spotting Star-Brat's contradiction of what we know!  I never noticed that.  I highly doubt that BW would just "forget" Vendetta's whole bit about the Crucible.

[Cecilia L]

FreddyCast wrote...

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

1) Hoping we might find alternative to catalyst?

2)I would say Indoctrination canceller device, that would mean incredibly much for the war. If this is the case, still strange that a imagined conversation with the catalyst is necessary.

EDIT: Unless, as previous post suggests, it's a trap that's been left by the reapers. It has always bothered me how convenient the whole thing is. Shepard also has doubts as expressed in the conversation on Mars.

Modifié par Cecilia L, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:20 .

[Dam0299]

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

Well the Crucible was originally designed to destroy the reapers, However groups over the millenia wanted to control the reapers (Protheans and Cerberus to name a few) both of which were indoctrinated and failed. We know that the Crucible does not discriminate (for destroy) how do we know that it will discriminate to only control the reapers and the reapers alone?.

[Dwailing]

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

Well the Crucible was originally designed to destroy the reapers, However groups over the millenia wanted to control the reapers (Protheans and Cerberus to name a few) both of which were indoctrinated and failed. We know that the Crucible does not discriminate (for destroy) how do we know that it will discriminate to only control the reapers and the reapers alone?.

Well, Star-Brat makes it sound like you'd be replacing him in Control, but my question is this.  If Star-Brat is the collective consciousness of the Reapers (Paraphrasing, but that IS what he tells you.), then how can Shepard "replace" him?

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

Well the Crucible was originally designed to destroy the reapers, However groups over the millenia wanted to control the reapers (Protheans and Cerberus to name a few) both of which were indoctrinated and failed. We know that the Crucible does not discriminate (for destroy) how do we know that it will discriminate to only control the reapers and the reapers alone?.

It probably controls all synthetics. However, Shepard could probably discriminate with his mind to not control the Geth etc.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Dwailing wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

Well the Crucible was originally designed to destroy the reapers, However groups over the millenia wanted to control the reapers (Protheans and Cerberus to name a few) both of which were indoctrinated and failed. We know that the Crucible does not discriminate (for destroy) how do we know that it will discriminate to only control the reapers and the reapers alone?.

Well, Star-Brat makes it sound like you'd be replacing him in Control, but my question is this.  If Star-Brat is the collective consciousness of the Reapers (Paraphrasing, but that IS what he tells you.), then how can Shepard "replace" him?

Play mentally challenged Shep and lets see what happens.

[liggy002]

You know, they are just shooting themselves in the foot by not confirming or denying IT. They think that they are going to please some people by not doing that? What a joke.

[Andromidius]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...
It probably controls all synthetics. However, Shepard could probably discriminate with his mind to not control the Geth etc.

But can't discrimate with his mind to not destroy the Geth?

The whole thing just doesn't add up.  Its so obviously a trap its almost an insult by Bioware to think we'd believe our own avatar would fall for it.

[L0NEWOLF25]

I'm sorry but I have to say this to get it off my chest because I'm really getting tired of how Bioware is acting. I just fell some things need to be said.

I'm just... I'm just done. Bioware will not give us a definite answer on anything at all and would rather waste their Q/A's talking about stuff that has been said in the past. They never give any info out unless it's going to be released in a week/has already been released, and on top of that it's almost always Info we already knew. Bioware right now literaly has no idea on what to do at this point since if they did we wouldn't be in this mess of confussion and having the community split about the endings. They had their chance with EC and they had all this time to at least give us a clearer picture of what's going on, but instead they hide behind "Artistic integrety" and "We want the community to speculate about the endings" stuff that the've been telling us since we started talking about the endings. I'll try to stay up to date with this thread, and maybe comment about stuff but I'm just about done with Bioware at this point.

[Andromidius]

liggy002 wrote...

You know, they are just shooting themselves in the foot by not confirming or denying IT. They think that they are going to please some people by not doing that? What a joke.

Yeah, instead of only part of the fanbase being angry, they've got a large chunk of it angry instead.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Andromidius wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...
It probably controls all synthetics. However, Shepard could probably discriminate with his mind to not control the Geth etc.

But can't discrimate with his mind to not destroy the Geth?

The whole thing just doesn't add up.  Its so obviously a trap its almost an insult by Bioware to think we'd believe our own avatar would fall for it.

While I don't dissagree with you that BW is insulting us, I think the initial wave of the Crucible will affect ALL synthetics. Therefore, Shepard would be in control of the geth for a short while before chooseing to "release control."

[FreddyCast]

Dwailing wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

My thoughts are that it's some kind of Reaper trap, possibly a mass indoctrination device.  Also, great work spotting Star-Brat's contradiction of what we know!  I never noticed that.  I highly doubt that BW would just "forget" Vendetta's whole bit about the Crucible.

Some ITers have said this, but I'm not sure I agree. Sure, the Citadel was designed by the Reapers, but the Crucible is a recent design from a few cycles back (how far back is unknown) which originates to organics who specifically designed it to destroy the Reapes. And as EDI said, the Citadel was incorporated in order to use the Reapers own technology against them. Plus, the Godbrat said that they (the reapers) thought they had eradicated the concept, but were surprised that the organics were more resourceful than they thought.

[dreamgazer]

liggy002 wrote...

You know, they are just shooting themselves in the foot by not confirming or denying IT. They think that they are going to please some people by not doing that? What a joke.

I originally thought it might have been a good idea to leave the IT component open to interpretation, but, given the responses as of late, now I'm not so sure. 

[Chriz Tah Fah]

FreddyCast wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

My thoughts are that it's some kind of Reaper trap, possibly a mass indoctrination device.  Also, great work spotting Star-Brat's contradiction of what we know!  I never noticed that.  I highly doubt that BW would just "forget" Vendetta's whole bit about the Crucible.

Some ITers have said this, but I'm not sure I agree. Sure, the Citadel was designed by the Reapers, but the Crucible is a recent design from a few cycles back (how far back is unknown) which originates to organics who specifically designed it to destroy the Reapes. And as EDI said, the Citadel was incorporated in order to use the Reapers own technology against them. Plus, the Godbrat said that they (the reapers) thought they had eradicated the concept, but were surprised that the organics were more resourceful than they thought.

Perhaps this is what the reapers want you to think. For all we know, the reapers put the blueprints in a place where they knew we would find it. 

Edit: with this in mind. It would mean the starkid is lying to us by saying we were the first organic here because other cycles would have had to have made it to the crucible and activated the mass indoc device.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:36 .