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[masster blaster]

So WTF happened at Comic con. Female turians, more comics, job questions. Why do people ask these questions. And is it just me our did they act like the same during pax when IT was brought up, but know it was with the child, and breath scene. Also their faces were turning red.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Isnt one of the main reasons you dislike the story the fact that you cant side with TIM and preach the virtues of control throughout the entire game, or am I thinking of someone else?

Sounds more like my mate Seboist.

The fact that we get railroaded into fighting Cerberus and fighting against TIM's ideals (only to figure out at the end that TIM was right after all and then you can finally decide to pick Control, DERP!) is indeed one of the reasons why I think the story is crap, but not at all the most pressing reason.

A fight against cerberus was bound to happen given Illusive Man's vastly different plan to end the reaper threat. Control is a trick. I don't understand what part of "Everyone who has ever tried control ever, completely screwed not only themselves, but their entire species" do you not get. No species in the reapers billion year history could control them. The Illusive Man, despite all his efforts and rescources could not do it. But despite all that, you're going to take an obvious liar's word for it? To honestly believe control is real and can work demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the story. 


A quick and small list why I think the writing is crap:

- The committee is a joke. 
 What are you expecting from them exactly?
- "We fight or we die, that's the plan!" Really Shepard? REALLY? 
 Can you come up with a better plan in 2 minutes, given that situation?
- The vent kid feels forced and it's just lame. 
 There was nothing forced about that scene. What you were supposed to take away from that scene was that something was off about that boy and the scene itself. Things like the reaper growl and his sudden disapearance inside the vent. 
- The nightmares about the vent kid feel forced and are retarded.
The dreams are very significant, if you've payed any attention at all to how indoctrination is described by its various victims. I wont go into details on that. You should already know everything about indoctrination if you've payed any attention to the story at all.
- Cerberus' douchebaggery. They went from a morally ambiguous splintercell group to standard cliche cannon fodder. 
Cerberus is and always will be a morally ambiguous splinter group. Illusive Man's ideals are still the same. The only difference between 2 and 3 is getting in the Alliance's way. 
- The Crucible McGuffin.
Mc What?
- ME2 is pointless, nothing we did in ME2 matters for the main plot.
I guess you're right if you don't count saving/destroying the collector base, saving Maelon's data, destroying/rewriting the heretics, squadmate survival/death/recruitment, the arrival dlc, proving/disproving tali's innocence, and many more I don't care to take up space writing.
- Shallow and retarded politics (BioWare should watch and learn from The Witcher 2).
I'm curious what you consider shallow and retarded politics.
- The Citadel coup is a joke. 
A joke how?
- Udina and his silly motivation for the coup is a joke. 
That's never really determined.
- Cerberus became a joke after the coup.
How so?
- Kai Leng is a joke.
Again, how so? (Why does everyone hate Leng so much?)
- The Illusive Man became a joke (while he was such an awesome character in ME2).
- The huge "WTF is the Citadel doing above Earth?" moment with no explanation at all.
You must have been in the bathroom or something during that scene. The reaper's moved it to Earth. 
- The HUGE Deus Ex Machina we all know as the Catalyst (WTF was BioWare thinking?)
Just think about this next point for a while: Reaper's are not omnicient. In the literal interpretation they'd absolutely have to be for the Catalyst, an AI representation of the reapers, to take the form of a child Shepard saw. Since in reality they are not infallible and not all knowing, the only way for the Catalyst to appear as a child is if the reaper's have invaded Shepard's mind. And what do we call it when reaper's invade someone's mind and screw with their thoughts? Indoctrination.
- The Reapers motivation is retarded and just plain terrible.
Don't tell me you actually swallowed the answer the Catalyst gave you for that question.
- Synthesis space-magic. 
It's also an illusion 
- "Lots of speculation from everyone!" HERRRDERP!
You don't seem to enjoy speculating much. Maybe you're in the wrong place.

Oh god where to even begin?

[Chriz Tah Fah]

masster blaster wrote...

So WTF happened at Comic con. Female turians, more comics, job questions. Why do people ask these questions. And is it just me our did they act like the same during pax when IT was brought up, but know it was with the child, and breath scene. Also their faces were turning red.

It is impossible that Bioware is JUST NOW coming to the realization that most of the community doesn't like their game at face value. The fact that people would TRAVEL to SDCC to say "hey, I don't like your game at face value" (in question form OFC) I would think they would turn pretty red. It just goes to show, Bioware isn't very happy with the situation either.

[FreddyCast]

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

My optomism just killed this thread .

We need optimism in this thread, Been seeing to many pessimists lately.

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

Well the Crucible was originally designed to destroy the reapers, However groups over the millenia wanted to control the reapers (Protheans and Cerberus to name a few) both of which were indoctrinated and failed. We know that the Crucible does not discriminate (for destroy) how do we know that it will discriminate to only control the reapers and the reapers alone?.

Again, remember that as ITers what Shep experienced was a dream, and thus, the three options that Godbrat presents to us is not real. Therefore, the Crucible does not Destroy, Control, or Synthesize in the way the Godbrat says. Plus, the Protheans didn't know what the Crucible does either, but the splinter Prothean group believed that it somehow could be used to Control the Reapers. Obviously, according to the IT, that is a lie. The Crucible does not have the ability to control the Reapers. It is only a deception meant to make organics fight among each other.

[liggy002]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I'm sorry but I have to say this to get it off my chest because I'm really getting tired of how Bioware is acting. I just fell some things need to be said.

I'm just... I'm just done. Bioware will not give us a definite answer on anything at all and would rather waste their Q/A's talking about stuff that has been said in the past. They never give any info out unless it's going to be released in a week/has already been released, and on top of that it's almost always Info we already knew. Bioware right now literaly has no idea on what to do at this point since if they did we wouldn't be in this mess of confussion and having the community split about the endings. They had their chance with EC and they had all this time to at least give us a clearer picture of what's going on, but instead they hide behind "Artistic integrety" and "We want the community to speculate about the endings" stuff that the've been telling us since we started talking about the endings. I'll try to stay up to date with this thread, and maybe comment about stuff but I'm just about done with Bioware at this point.

Yeah, I'm tired of this garbage too.  I don't feel as if I've been treated like a customer and a fan and so I am done with this company.

[masster blaster]

Freddy if it was a time machian device then Shepard was sent back to the Reapers origion. I would pay to see that.

[Andromidius]

FreddyCast wrote...
 It is only a deception meant to make organics fight among each other.

Another good side effect for the Reapers - the Crucible is a massive undertaking and requires huge amounts of resources to craft.  Resources while likely come from various sources, all with different goals.  So when its completed, they fight among themselves over its usage. 

More force not being directed at the Reapers, who are laughing all the way to harvesting the entire galaxy yet again.

[Andromidius]

masster blaster wrote...

Freddy if it was a time machian device then Shepard was sent back to the Reapers origion. I would pay to see that.

From my limited understanding of how time travel could work, you could technically only go forward in time.  So for it to be useful you'd have to bring something forward in time to the present - or send something from the present into the future to help the fight later on.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Andromidius wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Freddy if it was a time machian device then Shepard was sent back to the Reapers origion. I would pay to see that.

From my limited understanding of how time travel could work, you could technically only go forward in time.  So for it to be useful you'd have to bring something forward in time to the present - or send something from the present into the future to help the fight later on.

Help the fight? Send Shepard sperm to the past. Before you know it, the reapers would have more Shepards then they know what to do with! 

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:48 .

[FreddyCast]

Cecilia L wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

1) Hoping we might find alternative to catalyst?

2)I would say Indoctrination canceller device, that would mean incredibly much for the war. If this is the case, still strange that a imagined conversation with the catalyst is necessary.

EDIT: Unless, as previous post suggests, it's a trap that's been left by the reapers. It has always bothered me how convenient the whole thing is. Shepard also has doubts as expressed in the conversation on Mars.

1.If what Shep experienced is a Hallucination then the Godbrat is not the Catalyst, and the Catalst is as Vendetta said, The Citadel.
2. Conversation with the Godbrat is necessary as the final mental battle against Indoctrination. Still, for the Crucible to just be an indoctrination canceller device is not enough to defeat the Reapers as a whole.

[HellishFiend]

I'd like to remind people that this isnt a topic for complaining and about being done. If you want to make a dramatic exit please make your own topic. I dont want to read it.

Modifié par HellishFiend, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:48 .

[elegolas1]

The mass effect panel at comic con does not bode well for an intended IT. To think that bioware would rather have the endings as they are.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

FreddyCast wrote...

Cecilia L wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

1) Hoping we might find alternative to catalyst?

2)I would say Indoctrination canceller device, that would mean incredibly much for the war. If this is the case, still strange that a imagined conversation with the catalyst is necessary.

EDIT: Unless, as previous post suggests, it's a trap that's been left by the reapers. It has always bothered me how convenient the whole thing is. Shepard also has doubts as expressed in the conversation on Mars.

1.If what Shep experienced is a Hallucination then the Godbrat is not the Catalyst, and the Catalst is as Vendetta said, The Citadel.
2. Conversation with the Godbrat is necessary as the final mental battle against Indoctrination. Still, for the Crucible to just be an indoctrination canceller device is not enough to defeat the Reapers as a whole.

Maybe the crucible destroys the reaper consensus and they all become seperated and not know what to do. They would lose their guidence (and IFF) and maybe start shooting at eachother? That would be enough to do it.

[masster blaster]

I feel like Udina right now. When he's going off with the Counciles chioce not to help take back Earth.

" What a bunch of political jack#****." I feel like telling Bioware that, but I won't.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

masster blaster wrote...

I feel like Udina right now. When he's going off with the Counciles chioce not to help take back Earth.

" What a bunch of political jack#****." I feel like telling Bioware that, but I won't.

"Ahh yes...Bioware" - Citadel Council

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:51 .

[HellishFiend]

Wow, some of you people really need to come back down to Earth. Are you forgetting that the whole point of IT is that BW is not going to tell the players about it until it is revealed in-game? Expecting for them to say anything we "want to hear" is complete folly. I'm not surprised or discouraged one bit.

[FreddyCast]

Andromidius wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...
 It is only a deception meant to make organics fight among each other.

Another good side effect for the Reapers - the Crucible is a massive undertaking and requires huge amounts of resources to craft.  Resources while likely come from various sources, all with different goals.  So when its completed, they fight among themselves over its usage. 

More force not being directed at the Reapers, who are laughing all the way to harvesting the entire galaxy yet again.

Again though, to just make the Crucible into some big Reaper trap is to completely make void all the hard work we have been doing, building up our fleets only to have it mean absolutely nothing, leaving only our fleets to fend off a force that cannot be stopped conventionally. This is why I believe the Crucible is not a Reaper trap, but is essential in defeating the Reapers as well as unconventional means of fighting the Reapers.

[GethPrimeMKII]

HellishFiend wrote...

Wow, some of you people really need to come back down to Earth. Are you forgetting that the whole point of IT is that BW is not going to tell the players about it until it is revealed in-game? Expecting for them to say anything we "want to hear" is complete folly. I'm not surprised or discouraged one bit.

Someones got the right idea.

[masster blaster]

THYour right Hellish but it will pass like Pax, but right now we need to let out some steam, and anger.

[FreddyCast]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Cecilia L wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Alright, then I'd like to talk about the nature of the Crucible. As we all know, the Crucible is a power source as the Godbrat says. Yet, we also know from Vendetta that the Catalyst was not originally part of the Crucible plans, but was incorporated in order to have enough juice to effect throughout the galaxy. So what was the Crucible's true purpose if it is only a power source and needs the Citadel in order to work. I believe, as all ITers do that the Godbrat is lying to us when it says that the Crucible is nothing more than a power source.
We do not know what the Crucible truly does if what Shep experienced was just a hallucination.
Therefore, if we are to have a new ending, we should throw around ideas as to what the Crucible actually does.
Maybe it is aa Indoctrination canceller device as well as an EMP Superweapon that affects only the Reapers. Or maybe as someone else suggested, a time traveling machine that pulls in armadas of ships from all 20,000 past cycles to all Mass Relay locations which can outnumber the Reapers themselves (and by doing so, conventional warfare can be achieved). Crazy, Crazy Awesome.
What do you guys think the Crucible actually does?

1) Hoping we might find alternative to catalyst?

2)I would say Indoctrination canceller device, that would mean incredibly much for the war. If this is the case, still strange that a imagined conversation with the catalyst is necessary.

EDIT: Unless, as previous post suggests, it's a trap that's been left by the reapers. It has always bothered me how convenient the whole thing is. Shepard also has doubts as expressed in the conversation on Mars.

1.If what Shep experienced is a Hallucination then the Godbrat is not the Catalyst, and the Catalst is as Vendetta said, The Citadel.
2. Conversation with the Godbrat is necessary as the final mental battle against Indoctrination. Still, for the Crucible to just be an indoctrination canceller device is not enough to defeat the Reapers as a whole.

Maybe the crucible destroys the reaper consensus and they all become seperated and not know what to do. They would lose their guidence (and IFF) and maybe start shooting at eachother? That would be enough to do it.

Now that is interesting, yet do the Reapers actually funtion as a consensus like the Geth or are they independent as Sovereign says? Even EDI was pondering this same issue, yet Shep told her, "Do me a favor, don't tell me".
EDIT: Correction: "Do me a favor, don't ask them" I think that what Shep said. 

Modifié par FreddyCast, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:01 .

[Cecilia L]

*deleted intelligent comment about the Crucible that was not so intelligent due to lack of sleep*

Oh Goddess it's 5 am

Good night and keep up the hopes and speculations!

[HellishFiend]

masster blaster wrote...

THYour right Hellish but it will pass like Pax, but right now we need to let out some steam, and anger.

What I'm saying is that you dont have a reason to be upset in the first place. If you're upset, it's because you had misguided expectations and need to remember what the whole point of IT is.

Frankly I would be upset if they did come out and say "oh yeah, btw, the IT guys have it right". That would be enormously anti-climactic.

[Turbo_J]

masster blaster wrote...

THYour right Hellish but it will pass like Pax, but right now we need to let out some steam, and anger.

Then go play Multi-Player and kick some Reaper Ass!

[Nightingale]

So, it's been...way too long since I've had a chance to get online. Anything interesting happen? Did I miss anything at SDCC?

[KJSync]

HellishFiend wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

THYour right Hellish but it will pass like Pax, but right now we need to let out some steam, and anger.

What I'm saying is that you dont have a reason to be upset in the first place. If you're upset, it's because you had misguided expectations and need to remember what the whole point of IT is.

Frankly I would be upset if they did come out and say "oh yeah, btw, the IT guys have it right". That would be enormously anti-climactic.

Actually i'm upset because female turians...