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[gunslinger_ruiz]

1. The terms "Literalist" and "Theorist" generally refer to the endings of ME3 and individual interpretation thereof. While both a Literalist and a Theorist can draw on events from the other 99% of the trilogy to support their interpretation(s) it still comes around to the topic ending sequence.

2. I'm going to bed goodnight.

[RavenEyry]

Edorian27 wrote...

I just replayed the ending with the EC. Can someone point me to a thread/post were the effects of EC where discussed in light of IT?

I think IT and EC don't go together.

1) Why would there be a scene with Hackett stating that someone made it to the citadel? It is clearly nothing Shep would dream about.. so I have to take it for a fact.

2) Why would the catalyst care to explain what exactly he is, why the Reapers do this and that? With the new planted information given by the catalyst I find IT less likely.

3) What about the whole ending slideshow? It was easier to accept it as "Shepards Hopes" with the small part we got before, where his companions landed in a Paradise-like garden world being very symbolic. Now with the elaborate endings, it's hard to belive.

Adding to this, the rescue of Sheps team happened before the dream sequence, so the hope for them to survive gets less dreamlike.

So, if there is any (not too far fetched) explanation out there, would be nice if you could point me to it. (and no, I don't need explanations like = it's because IT is bull****)

While those are valid reasons to disagree with us, keep in mind that EC also did not remove any of the clues whatsoever, even though many were well known and would be easy to change.

[UltimateTobi]

RavenEyry wrote...

Edorian27 wrote...

I just replayed the ending with the EC. Can someone point me to a thread/post were the effects of EC where discussed in light of IT?

I think IT and EC don't go together.

1) Why would there be a scene with Hackett stating that someone made it to the citadel? It is clearly nothing Shep would dream about.. so I have to take it for a fact.

2) Why would the catalyst care to explain what exactly he is, why the Reapers do this and that? With the new planted information given by the catalyst I find IT less likely.

3) What about the whole ending slideshow? It was easier to accept it as "Shepards Hopes" with the small part we got before, where his companions landed in a Paradise-like garden world being very symbolic. Now with the elaborate endings, it's hard to belive.

Adding to this, the rescue of Sheps team happened before the dream sequence, so the hope for them to survive gets less dreamlike.

So, if there is any (not too far fetched) explanation out there, would be nice if you could point me to it. (and no, I don't need explanations like = it's because IT is bull****)

While those are valid reasons to disagree with us, keep in mind that EC also did not remove any of the clues whatsoever, even though many were well known and would be easy to change.

In fact, they did add new clues.

[RavenEyry]

UltimateTobi wrote...
CleverNoob making his part 3 of the docu.

Wait, they made a part 2? I missed that.

[UltimateTobi]

RavenEyry wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...
CleverNoob making his part 3 of the docu.

Wait, they made a part 2? I missed that.

Click on the Wake up, Shepard banner in my sig. You'll see the thread and the links. Part 2 is equally with its 1:40 hours. It's awesome.

Edit: It's pre-EC! But definitely still worth the look. Because all the evidences are still there ofc.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:44 .

[masster blaster]

Raven it's on the front page. 1

[RavenEyry]

masster blaster wrote...

Raven it's on the front page. 1

D'oh! So it is.

An hour forty?!?! I was just about to play an empire: total war mod too...

[UltimateTobi]

RavenEyry wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Raven it's on the front page. 1

D'oh! So it is.

An hour forty?!?! I was just about to play an empire: total war mod too...

Hehe, I took the time to watch it. It's really worth it, at least in my eyes.
He talks about Arrival DLC as well.

[RavenEyry]

UltimateTobi wrote...
Hehe, I took the time to watch it. It's really worth it, at least in my eyes.
He talks about Arrival DLC as well.

Well it has ME music in it, so I'm happy.

[UltimateTobi]

RavenEyry wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...
Hehe, I took the time to watch it. It's really worth it, at least in my eyes.
He talks about Arrival DLC as well.

Well it has ME music in it, so I'm happy.

Lots of it.
The Arrival DLC analysis will give you goosebumps, believe me.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:49 .

[Edorian27]

RavenEyry wrote...

While those are valid reasons to disagree with us, keep in mind that EC also did not remove any of the clues whatsoever, even though many were well known and would be easy to change.

Hmm, I don't disagree entirely. In fact, I want to belive in IT for it proviedes a brilliant rather than a weird ending and there are still a lot of IT hints.

I got the thought  in mind that BW stated that the original endings were the way they wanted the game to be, and that the EC is fanservice for those who wouldn't accept it.

Then again, when I replayed it didn't feel like IT was intended. And I know that BW can mess up endings pretty bad since Dragon Age 2... 

[Dam0299]

Edorian27 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

While those are valid reasons to disagree with us, keep in mind that EC also did not remove any of the clues whatsoever, even though many were well known and would be easy to change.

Hmm, I don't disagree entirely. In fact, I want to belive in IT for it proviedes a brilliant rather than a weird ending and there are still a lot of IT hints.

I got the thought  in mind that BW stated that the original endings were the way they wanted the game to be, and that the EC is fanservice for those who wouldn't accept it.

Then again, when I replayed it didn't feel like IT was intended. And I know that BW can mess up endings pretty bad since Dragon Age 2... 

You have to remember  while dragon age 2 was a really ambiguous ending, (hawke disappeared and unheard of) its also having a sequel which allows it to be ambiguous as it is supposed to be answered then. ME3 is supposed to be the end of Shepards tale entirely.

[UltimateTobi]

I'm gonna try though, forgive me if it doesn't make sense.

Edorian27 wrote...

I just replayed the ending with the EC. Can someone point me to a thread/post were the effects of EC where discussed in light of IT?

I think IT and EC don't go together.

1) Why would there be a scene with Hackett stating that someone made it to the citadel? It is clearly nothing Shep would dream about.. so I have to take it for a fact.

That might be. But he said someone, not Shepard. And if need to take that scene at face value, we also need to take his statement, that >someone< made it, at face value.

2) Why would the catalyst care to explain what exactly he is, why the Reapers do this and that? With the new planted information given by the catalyst I find IT less likely.

Think about it. The more information you give, the more the other one trusts you. BW served both, literalists and theorists. We got more "closure" from the literal point of view. BUT, that plays in our favor, the Catalyst is more obviously grasping at Shep's faith/believe. The Catalyst also talks more positively about Control, and even more about Synthesis. Destroy is still the worst choice in Catalyst's POV.

3) What about the whole ending slideshow? It was easier to accept it as "Shepards Hopes" with the small part we got before, where his companions landed in a Paradise-like garden world being very symbolic. Now with the elaborate endings, it's hard to belive.

Well, they could've made rendered scenes instead of slide shows. For me, slide shows are vaguely, unclear. They could play in our terms, dream-like. And they add more "closure", for the ones who desired that.

Adding to this, the rescue of Sheps team happened before the dream sequence, so the hope for them to survive gets less dreamlike.

But did you notice that Harbinger had very well the chance to shoot down the Normandy? He didn't. With one purpose: making Shepard believe there's hope. If Harbinger would've shot down the Normandy with all he cares about aboard, Shepard would do the devil and just want to destroy the Reapers, by any means.

So, if there is any (not too far fetched) explanation out there, would be nice if you could point me to it. (and no, I don't need explanations like = it's because IT is bull****)

I tried my best, I am not good at explaining, but I know the feeling of being diappointed. I was, after playing EC.

[SixG90]

Any news from SDCC, or any good/bad news at all?

[UltimateTobi]

mrs.N7 wrote...

Any news from SDCC, or any good/bad news at all?

Not that I heard of.

Hi mrs.N7 BTW. ;D

[masster blaster]

So does anyone want to go see my poll about IT and Literalyst together.

[UltimateTobi]

masster blaster wrote...

So does anyone want to go see my poll about IT and Literalyst together.

I did vote, the 2nd option.

[Salient Archer]

mrs.N7 wrote...

Any news from SDCC, or any good/bad news at all?

The pinacle of the SDCC was AquaAtlas (Aquas? Aqualas? Atqua?) -- that's 'bout it.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[RavenEyry]

On the topic of the documentary: Wow, that analysis of the arrival failure clip gives me shivers.

[UltimateTobi]

RavenEyry wrote...

On the topic of the documentary: Wow, that analysis of the arrival failure clip gives me shivers.

The awesomeness will go on.

[Salient Archer]

RavenEyry wrote...

On the topic of the documentary: Wow, that analysis of the arrival failure clip gives me shivers.

Care to point me in the direction of said 'documentary'?

[UltimateTobi]

Salient Archer wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

On the topic of the documentary: Wow, that analysis of the arrival failure clip gives me shivers.

Care to point me in the direction of said 'documentary'?

Click my banner.

[SixG90]

UltimateTobi wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

Any news from SDCC, or any good/bad news at all?

Not that I heard of.

Hi mrs.N7 BTW. ;D

HI! Sorry for yesterday, Orign doesn't like me, it seems!
So, we didn't get any news at all on Leviatan? Shame.. 

[UltimateTobi]

mrs.N7 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

Any news from SDCC, or any good/bad news at all?

Not that I heard of.

Hi mrs.N7 BTW. ;D

HI! Sorry for yesterday, Orign doesn't like me, it seems!
So, we didn't get any news at all on Leviatan? Shame.. 

No worries. When Earth DLC comes out, maybe it fixes itself then.

Edit: Did you try contacting EA customer support? The chat preferably.

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:21 .

[SixG90]

UltimateTobi wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

Any news from SDCC, or any good/bad news at all?

Not that I heard of.

Hi mrs.N7 BTW. ;D

HI! Sorry for yesterday, Orign doesn't like me, it seems!
So, we didn't get any news at all on Leviatan? Shame.. 

No worries. When Earth DLC comes out, maybe it fixes itself then.

Edit: Did you try contacting EA customer support? The chat preferably.

Yeah, 2 times. Standard reply, unistall, reinstall and re-donwload the whole thing. Of course, it didn't work.. :/