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[dreamgazer]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Slow down there, we don't know whether they were screened. And there were two questions that were relevant to our little endevour:
What's the deal with the kid we see throughout the whole game?
-"- with the breath scene?

Both answers were unsatisfactory and brought nothing new.

The answer they offered about the child on Earth was basically the equivalent of asking Burger King about their new hamburger and receiving the response: "Well, it's made of meat, and it's inside a bun".  

Restating the obvious, allowing the curiosity to continue. 

[paxxton]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another interesting thing, the bench also appears in your first dream for no apparent reason.

The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .

[Riot86]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

But to be honest, I don't know what to make of this. It is really strange that this very bench appears in your dream.

There is nothing strange with that. Dreams are made of mixed parts of memories, we can fly in dreams, we have almost no control at all over the events, we see random places, etc. The same goes for "creativity" : we do not "invent from scratch", we mostly take bits and pieces of everything we know and put them together in a new fashion we call "creation".

In real life they work this way, yes.

But this is a story, and in such dreams are rarely included "just because". Normally they add something to the story, often by illustrating the internal struggle of the protagonist. If BioWare just wanted to put dream sequences in the game to show that people dream sometimes, why are all the dreams are so similar? Why include them in the first place if they aren't important?

The dreams have a symbolic meaning in the story (regardless if IT is true or not). The whispers aren't just there randomly. Neither is the child. So do you really think the only other object that stands out aside from the boy is just there because Shepard has seen it somewhere else? I doubt it.

Modifié par Riot86, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:31 .

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[FFZero]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Am I the only one who wants to tweet this to one of the dev's?

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

[Iconoclaste]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Iconoclaste, the only objects in Shepard's dreams are trees, shadows/shades, and, in the first one, the boy's toy.... And a bench. Seems a little weird, don't you think?

And for both you and Subastris, what would you call yourselves then?

He might as well have dreamt of a desert, that wouldn't mean much either, and it's ok to interpret these "dreams" as anyone wishes. But if we were to make a poll about the dream's purpose, since that was adressed on a few threads, it could point a bit more towards Shepard's guilt and despair than towards a Reaper deed. Since these dreams happen without the presence of some "big Reaper device", I wonder how some simpler "reaper tech" could have the means to show "elaborate thoughts / dreams" in Shepard's mind. I agree that, to some amount, "Reaper tech" can induce indoc-related effects, but I doubt that a simple set of chips or valve-like apparatus as seen in the Prothean Beacon vision can do such advanced "Indocrination" effects as a whole Reaper would.

As for what to call Subastris and I, frankly, just keep in mind that, even here on the IT thread, people are taking things at face value a lot more than "literalists" are, since most "literalists" won't make a big fuss around small things seen in the game. That is IT's way of bringing up "evidence", not the "literalist's" way! To support IT, "hints" have to be gathered and tied together with some logical thread. So if one brings up a "strange texture", just for the sake of an example, then this is game content taken "at face value" from an IT supporter, and this "hint" will simply go unnoticed by casual players not supporting IT, because those small bits of  "evidence" are much harder to integrate in the larger corpus of evidence "supporting IT" (eg plot holes and cutscenes).

[Riot86]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

Being symbols for all the potential male or female LIs on Earth Shepard never gets to flirt with?

Modifié par Riot86, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:36 .

[TSA_383]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

*Sees steak in the dream sequences*

"I just love steak... So much steak... so many cows lost to the reapers... :crying:"

[Dam0299]

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

Being symbols for all the potential male or female LIs on Earth Shepard never gets to flirt with?

Nah, They represent all the flora and shrubbery that Shepard sadly could not have watered.

[paxxton]

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

Being symbols for all the potential male or female LIs on Earth Shepard never gets to flirt with?

LOL. This or for all the flora that couldn't have been saved from being cut down by Reaper lasers.

[Riot86]

Dam0299 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

Being symbols for all the potential male or female LIs on Earth Shepard never gets to flirt with?

Nah, They represent all the flora and shrubbery that Shepard sadly could not have watered.

Mass Effect and FarmVille crossover coming 2013?

[MaximizedAction]

Riot86 wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

Being symbols for all the potential male or female LIs on Earth Shepard never gets to flirt with?

Nah, They represent all the flora and shrubbery that Shepard sadly could not have watered.

Mass Effect and FarmVille crossover coming 2013?

Well, in the end those trees near the beam gotta mean SOMEthing...

[paxxton]

Dam0299 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

Being symbols for all the potential male or female LIs on Earth Shepard never gets to flirt with?

Nah, They represent all the flora and shrubbery that Shepard sadly could not have watered.

It was impossible to save 'em all. Shepard would have had to drink gallons of water.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:43 .

[RavenEyry]

I assume the bit at the end of the third dream was a representation of all the fires Shepard couldn't start, and all the Shepards Shepard could not save.

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

I assume the bit at the end of the third dream was a representation of all the fires Shepard couldn't start, and all the Shepards Shepard could not save.

Yo dawg...

[Riot86]

paxxton wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

You sir, have won an internet.

+2

Thanks!
The same goes for trees and bushes.

Being symbols for all the potential male or female LIs on Earth Shepard never gets to flirt with?

Nah, They represent all the flora and shrubbery that Shepard sadly could not have watered.

It was impossible to save 'em all. Shepard would have had to drink gallons of water.

...which was impossible because Grand Elder Guru was quicker 

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another interesting thing, the bench also appears in your first dream for no apparent reason.

The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

Harby told us to produce shelves for the Arrival!



We didnt listen!

[TSA_383]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another interesting thing, the bench also appears in your first dream for no apparent reason.

The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

Harby told us to produce shelves for the Arrival!



We didnt listen!

This might be strange on my part, but in over 4100 pages of thread, nothing has made me laugh more...

[Iconoclaste]

Riot86 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

But to be honest, I don't know what to make of this. It is really strange that this very bench appears in your dream.

There is nothing strange with that. Dreams are made of mixed parts of memories, we can fly in dreams, we have almost no control at all over the events, we see random places, etc. The same goes for "creativity" : we do not "invent from scratch", we mostly take bits and pieces of everything we know and put them together in a new fashion we call "creation".

In real life they work this way, yes.

But this is a story, and in such dreams are rarely included "just because". Normally they add something to the story, often by illustrating the internal struggle of the protagonist. If BioWare just wanted to put dream sequences in the game to show that people dream sometimes, why are all the dreams are so similar? Why include them in the first place if they aren't important?

The dreams have a symbolic meaning in the story (regardless if IT is true or not). The whispers aren't just there randomly. Neither is the child. So do you really think the only other object that stands out aside from the boy is just there because Shepard has seen it somewhere else? I doubt it.

Try to see that from a neutral perspective first, THEN you might see hints towards "something weird". If you look at scenes with IT glasses on, you might miss a "larger spectrum" of infos that tie the scene better to the whole story than to IT only. Since it's a game, the first obvious explanation is the "reused assets" one. Trees, modded sounds, furniture, effects. Textures alone are now an entire realm of complexity, a simple dot can become a complete set of effects just playing with its various "channels". No wonder we can see "familiar objects and textures" all along the game. For that instance, if you look in the files, you will stumble upon many things that, although unrelated "in game", are made of the same components. The balconies on some parts of the "Presidium ring", viewed from topside, are made of the same sets of "slices" as the ones moving each side of the "bridge" that leads to the circular TIM / Anderson / Shepard confrontation room. It has been proposed here some time ago that there were also similarities between some parts of the "Shadow Broker Ship" and the Citadel's parts I just mentioned, but that's just that : solids made once by the "model builders", and used many times in different contexts by the "level designers". The people making the "objects" that will populate the "levels" later on and the people making the actual levels have two completely different tasks, as the former have no control over the work of the latter. That should be kept in mind when trying to figure out if a piece of a "larger set" was "intended" or "accidental".

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:56 .

[byne]

TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another interesting thing, the bench also appears in your first dream for no apparent reason.

The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

Harby told us to produce shelves for the Arrival!

*snip*

We didnt listen!

This might be strange on my part, but in over 4100 pages of thread, nothing has made me laugh more...

Go read the entire Party Temple thread if you havent yet. Its great.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another interesting thing, the bench also appears in your first dream for no apparent reason.

The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

Harby told us to produce shelves for the Arrival!



We didnt listen!

This might be strange on my part, but in over 4100 pages of thread, nothing has made me laugh more...

Good to know people still remember how to laugh after that ME3 panel yesterday.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:51 .

[Dam0299]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another interesting thing, the bench also appears in your first dream for no apparent reason.

The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

Harby told us to produce shelves for the Arrival!



We didnt listen!

W-we didnt listen!!!!

[paxxton]

Dam0299 wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Another interesting thing, the bench also appears in your first dream for no apparent reason.

The bench is a symbol for all the furniture lost on Earth that Shepard couldn't have salvaged.

Harby told us to produce shelves for the Arrival!



We didnt listen!

W-we didnt listen!!!!

And now there's no Earth left to save.