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[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

byne wrote...

SwiftSlash wrote...

Anyone else notice this thread got pinned? Sorry if I'm late to that.

Huh, I didnt notice that. I always come here from just typing a W into my address bar and then clicking the first result that pops up.

Interesting.

Da hell...why? It's not like the thread needs it, since it's among the first two pages, anyway...but still...not bad for a 'fan-made' theory.

Maybe some mod made a mistake?

Still not bad for something that did not profit from yesterday's panel. Hmmm..moar speculations for everyone!

These days the thread is sometimes silent for tens of minutes so it probably goes down on the list. With a pin it'll stay on top all the time and everyone coming to BSN will be able to appreciate our theory.

[Lokanaiya]

Usually, the only threads that are pinned are very important ones... Things like rules, announcements, very useful guides, that sort of thing. All ITers probably have no trouble finding this thread (I know that I never close or navigate away from it) and I don't think Bioware would want to make it easier for trolls to find us. Is this a show of unofficial support from Bioware? A preparation for some big announcement? Or what?

[byne]

dreamgazer wrote...

From a literal perspective:

Control is the option that doesn't hinge on obliterating the Reapers, and doesn't lead to the death of the geth and EDI.  It's a restrained action that demands a big sacrifice.  Hence, you could say it's "paragon".

Destroy involves an aggressive act, pulling the trigger on certain forms of life in order to ensure more concrete safety.  It requires an act of aggression, yet potentially leads to Shepard being alive.  Hence, you could say it's  "renegade". 

But, in all honesty, that paradigm of paragon and renegade effectively means zilch once you enter into the decision chamber, outside of a meta-mindscrew from BioWare.  In the literal context, it all hinges on individual interpretation of what fits their individual Shepard's agenda. 

Even from a literal perspective, control involves enslaving an entire sentient species to do your bidding. Theres really no amount of justification that can make that paragon, as far as I'm concerned.

Also: control is the only one that has a different speech depending on if you're paragon or renegade, isnt it?

Seems odd to have a renegade version of a paragon option.

[byne]

Lets also keep in mind that its entirely possible that some mod either stickied it by mistake, or stickied it without actually checking with anyone else to see if it was ok.

Lets not try and read too much into the sticky, lest the literalists have more ammo against us should the sticky ever be removed.

[Dam0299]

I always play a full paragon, but I can never choose anything but destroy. To me, the reapers are puppets made up of trillions of people who were at one point somebodys parents, brothers/sisters, wives/husbands, friends or children. To control them is basically turning myself into their puppeteer and making their dead bodies dance for my amusement. And if the IT is not true, we can fix the geth and Edi, the catalyst even says we will have no difficulty repairing the damage.

Modifié par Dam0299, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:28 .

[Edorian27]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It coincided with us finding the hidden meanings behind things seen in the dreams. Are we up to discovering something?

"Yes! They finally noticed how guilty Shep is about the loss of good furniture, pin that thread!"

ROFL 

Iconoclaste wrote...

At what other instance in the game the colors used in the scenery are indicative of the values related to the choices the player makes?

hmm, as seen in the pictures the consequence of destroying/preserving the collector base?
No moment where Shepard actually sees those colours come to mind, though...

[Kenza]

The fact that this thread got pinned makes me so much more happy then any of the news I've heard from SDCC so far~

THANKS FOR THE STICKY!

[v0rt3x22]

byne wrote...

Lets also keep in mind that its entirely possible that some mod either stickied it by mistake, or stickied it without actually checking with anyone else to see if it was ok.

Lets not try and read too much into the sticky, lest the literalists have more ammo against us should the sticky ever be removed.

agreed and hi 

Quick question - I'm sort of getting the impression after Comic Con - that "IT" might not be true (even though I believe in it - and still have hopes).

My problem with that however is that - if it isn't true - the kind of things that were found in the game, which supported the theory - can't just be explained away - wouldn't you agree?

[MaximizedAction]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Usually, the only threads that are pinned are very important ones... Things like rules, announcements, very useful guides, that sort of thing. All ITers probably have no trouble finding this thread (I know that I never close or navigate away from it) and I don't think Bioware would want to make it easier for trolls to find us. Is this a show of unofficial support from Bioware? A preparation for some big announcement? Or what?

Same here...I always skip a few heartbeats when I accidentally close my IT-thread tab.

Another fan-made thread that got pinned is the EC thread. But as you wrote, it's about something official. Again, it's interesting after yesterdays panel. Maybe they saw the pessimism that got the best of some ITers yesterday...

byne wrote...

Lets also keep in mind that its entirely
possible that some mod either stickied it by mistake, or stickied it
without actually checking with anyone else to see if it was ok.

If it's a mistake, it'll should be removed within the next few days.

In any case, this reminds me a bit of those clues in-game. Is it a mistake or not?
The speculations now moved outside the 4th wall.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Lets also keep in mind that its entirely possible that some mod either stickied it by mistake, or stickied it without actually checking with anyone else to see if it was ok.

Lets not try and read too much into the sticky, lest the literalists have more ammo against us should the sticky ever be removed.

So we've been pinned?  Well, this might be something very good, or it could just be a horrible mistake.  We'll have to wait and see.

[RavenEyry]

Dam0299 wrote...

I always play a full paragon, but I can never choose anything but destroy. To me, the reapers are puppets made up of trillions of people who were at one point somebodys parents, brothers/sisters, wives/husbands, friends or children. To control them is basically turning myself into their puppeteer and making their dead bodies dance for my amusement. And if the IT is not true, we can fix the geth and Edi, the catalyst even says we will have no difficulty repairing the damage.

And Hackett says "Everything can be rebuilt" in the part strait after the shot of EDI. Also the geth were advancing beyond the path laid down by the reapers and would surely have many ways of restoring themselves despite a red flash of light.

"The colour red, our one weakness! How did you know?"

[paxxton]

Kenza wrote...

The fact that this thread got pinned makes me so much more happy then any of the news I've heard from SDCC so far~

THANKS FOR THE STICKY!

Me too!

[byne]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne wrote...

Lets also keep in mind that its entirely possible that some mod either stickied it by mistake, or stickied it without actually checking with anyone else to see if it was ok.

Lets not try and read too much into the sticky, lest the literalists have more ammo against us should the sticky ever be removed.

agreed and hi 

Quick question - I'm sort of getting the impression after Comic Con - that "IT" might not be true (even though I believe in it - and still have hopes).

My problem with that however is that - if it isn't true - the kind of things that were found in the game, which supported the theory - can't just be explained away - wouldn't you agree?

They could in theory be explained away as one giant coincidence, but the idea that all the evidence is just one enormous coincidence is kind of stretching, even by my standards.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Even from a literal perspective, control involves enslaving an entire sentient species to do your bidding. Theres really no amount of justification that can make that paragon, as far as I'm concerned.

There's a lot of problems with control, but doing bad to the Reapers is not one of them.

[Galifreya]

Seriously. Yesterday was kind of a kick in the gut. The pins makes me feel hopeful for some reason. =3

[Dam0299]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

I always play a full paragon, but I can never choose anything but destroy. To me, the reapers are puppets made up of trillions of people who were at one point somebodys parents, brothers/sisters, wives/husbands, friends or children. To control them is basically turning myself into their puppeteer and making their dead bodies dance for my amusement. And if the IT is not true, we can fix the geth and Edi, the catalyst even says we will have no difficulty repairing the damage.

And Hackett says "Everything can be rebuilt" in the part strait after the shot of EDI. Also the geth were advancing beyond the path laid down by the reapers and would surely have many ways of restoring themselves despite a red flash of light.

"The colour red, our one weakness! How did you know?"

And if they do get destroyed we will repair them, we owe them nothing less for their help to defeat the reapers.

[HellishFiend]

We got pinned?  I imagine a lot of jimmies are being rustled...

[MaximizedAction]

Gallifreya wrote...

Seriously. Yesterday was kind of a kick in the gut. The pins makes me feel hopeful for some reason. =3

Same here!

[Iconoclaste]

byne wrote...

Even from a literal perspective, control involves enslaving an entire sentient species to do your bidding. Theres really no amount of justification that can make that paragon, as far as I'm concerned.

Shepard is just taking the place of the AI, which is already "enslaving an entire species" by its programming. Since the Reapers will now "cooperate" with the existing sentients, this might well be seen as "paragon". Imposing laws on people or actions is, in some way, "enslaving" the targets, but this is deemed to be "for the greater good". And nothing is altering the freedom of people with "control", they can still act against the Reapers "controlled" by Shepard. This is unlikely to happen, so Shepard is, in essence, freeing the Reapers from their "war agenda", which means less Reaper losses in the end, and consequently less need to Reap to replenish their fleet.

[v0rt3x22]

byne wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne wrote...

Lets also keep in mind that its entirely possible that some mod either stickied it by mistake, or stickied it without actually checking with anyone else to see if it was ok.

Lets not try and read too much into the sticky, lest the literalists have more ammo against us should the sticky ever be removed.

agreed and hi 

Quick question - I'm sort of getting the impression after Comic Con - that "IT" might not be true (even though I believe in it - and still have hopes).

My problem with that however is that - if it isn't true - the kind of things that were found in the game, which supported the theory - can't just be explained away - wouldn't you agree?

They could in theory be explained away as one giant coincidence, but the idea that all the evidence is just one enormous coincidence is kind of stretching, even by my standards.

I would think so too.

I'm just a bit baffled by what they said yesterday "There is no canon ending" - but again - if this was all planned from the ghett-go - then it makes sense for them not being ready to talk about it until future content is ready - which may not be any time soon.

The one thing that really bothered me is how they discussed their future vision yesterday - while they designed the ending epilogues.

It seems to suggest that they were to be taken literally.

[MaximizedAction]

Well, we can always pm some mod and ask about the pin...

But then, it might 'compromise' the pin.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:37 .

[byne]

Edorian27 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

At what other instance in the game the colors used in the scenery are indicative of the values related to the choices the player makes?

hmm, as seen in the pictures the consequence of destroying/preserving the collector base?
No moment where Shepard actually sees those colours come to mind, though...

Well, in ME1, if you were renegade and killed the Council, there is a much redder tint to the ending than if you're paragon and saved the council, which has kind of a bluish silver tint to it.

[v0rt3x22]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Well, we can always pm some mod and ask about the pin...

let's not get counter productive and have them realize that it was a potential mistake - only to have the thread unpinned again 

[Riot86]

byne wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne wrote...

Lets also keep in mind that its entirely possible that some mod either stickied it by mistake, or stickied it without actually checking with anyone else to see if it was ok.

Lets not try and read too much into the sticky, lest the literalists have more ammo against us should the sticky ever be removed.

agreed and hi 

Quick question - I'm sort of getting the impression after Comic Con - that "IT" might not be true (even though I believe in it - and still have hopes).

My problem with that however is that - if it isn't true - the kind of things that were found in the game, which supported the theory - can't just be explained away - wouldn't you agree?

They could in theory be explained away as one giant coincidence, but the idea that all the evidence is just one enormous coincidence is kind of stretching, even by my standards.

But things like the changing gun or that Reaper growl during the vent-scene are most likely not coincidents. If IT is untrue (which is a possibility), these would be hard to explain away with a literal interpretation.

Modifié par Riot86, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:40 .

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Even from a literal perspective, control involves enslaving an entire sentient species to do your bidding. Theres really no amount of justification that can make that paragon, as far as I'm concerned.

There's a lot of problems with control, but doing bad to the Reapers is not one of them.

Do I really need to explain that two wrongs dont make a right, Rifneno?

It doesnt matter who I'm enslaving. The fact remains that I'm enslaving someone.