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[byne]

Riot86 wrote...

byne wrote...

They could in theory be explained away as one giant coincidence, but the idea that all the evidence is just one enormous coincidence is kind of stretching, even by my standards.

But things like the changing gun or that Reaper growl in during the vent-scene is most likely not a coincident. If IT is untrue (which is a possibility), these would be hard to explain with a literal interpretation of the ending.

I'm pretty sure they actually had to go out of their way to load the Predator in the destroy ending, so that is definitely not just a mistake or anything. Thats on purpose.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Well, we can always pm some mod and ask about the pin...

But then, it might 'compromise' the pin.

The pin is genuine, I believe. The other pinned thread is also fan-made.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:43 .

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

Do I really need to explain that two wrongs dont make a right, Rifneno?

It doesnt matter who I'm enslaving. The fact remains that I'm enslaving someone.

By that logic, we shouldn't kill them either.

[SwiftSlash]

HellishFiend wrote...

We got pinned?  I imagine a lot of jimmies are being rustled...

Modifié par SwiftSlash, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:43 .

[HellishFiend]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Do I really need to explain that two wrongs dont make a right, Rifneno?

It doesnt matter who I'm enslaving. The fact remains that I'm enslaving someone.

By that logic, we shouldn't kill them either.

Capital punishment is a thing in real life civilizations, though.  Slavery isnt, at least not anymore. 

[byne]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Do I really need to explain that two wrongs dont make a right, Rifneno?

It doesnt matter who I'm enslaving. The fact remains that I'm enslaving someone.

By that logic, we shouldn't kill them either.

No, I'm fine with killing them. They've killed countless trillions of people. They need to be stopped. I'm not fine with enslaving them though.

Partially because enslaving them seems to imply they get to work to redeem themselves, and redemption is not something the Reapers are deserving of.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Well, we can always pm some mod and ask about the pin...

But then, it might 'compromise' the pin.

The pin is genuine, I believe. The other pinned thread is also fan-made.

Yeah, but those other pinned threads are all about actual official and announced stuff. Whats so special about a 'fan-theory'? Well, it is certainly interesting and mind-blowing to read through...but pretty much everyone who played ME3 must have heard at some point about it. Also, the thread is already 1500+ pages long, and if I remember correctly, the last thread got closed down because it was too long. So we get pinned only to get closed again sooner rather than later?

Hm...

[Lokanaiya]

We should go ahead and PM a mod to ask if the pin is on purpose. Even if it isn't and the pin gets removed, at least we'll know for sure one way or the other.

[Riot86]

byne wrote...

I'm pretty sure they actually had to go out of their way to load the Predator in the destroy ending, so that is definitely not just a mistake or anything. Thats on purpose.

That is what I was trying to say

But if these things are there on purpose, how can BioWare explain them from a literal viewpoint? I don't think they can, which is why I still believe that IT is right at least in some parts

[FellishBeast]

I always knew masster was a troll. xD

@Hellish: Slavery is alive and well, unfortunately. There was even a family in Orange County that had a little girl from another country as a slave. Or are you talking about it being condoned by the government?

[Iconoclaste]

byne wrote...

Well, in ME1, if you were renegade and killed the Council, there is a much redder tint to the ending than if you're paragon and saved the council, which has kind of a bluish silver tint to it.

Maybe, but that happens after the choice has been made, whereas here in ME3 these colors are suspected to indicate the nature of the choice before it's made. Since the player does not know in advance the extent of  consequences of his choice, why give any "hint" beforehand in the ending? And green fits nowhere, of course, it's not even a "compromise" of the other two colours (which would be purple). I believe those colours are meant to indicate the related "moods" rather than paragon / renegade : destructive explosions are mainly "red", electricity arcs are blueish-white, and green... I dunno.

[byne]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Also, the thread is already 1500+ pages long, and if I remember correctly, the last thread got closed down because it was too long. So we get pinned only to get closed again sooner rather than later?

Hm...

The reason Priestly gave in the thread was closed due to off-topicness, but in a PM to me the reason he gave was that it was too long.

Could honestly be either one really, though I think when Arian PM'd him, he got the same response about it being too long.

[MaximizedAction]

Riot86 wrote...

byne wrote...

I'm pretty sure they actually had to go out of their way to load the Predator in the destroy ending, so that is definitely not just a mistake or anything. Thats on purpose.

That is what I was trying to say

But if these things are there on purpose, how can BioWare explain them from a literal viewpoint? I don't think they can, which is why I still believe that IT is right at least in some parts

Yeah, no matter how you twist it, a gunswap means that the scenario was at least partially an illusion. I guess that's pretty much in the ballpark of indoc.

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Well, we can always pm some mod and ask about the pin...

But then, it might 'compromise' the pin.

The pin is genuine, I believe. The other pinned thread is also fan-made.

Yeah, but those other pinned threads are all about actual official and announced stuff. Whats so special about a 'fan-theory'? Well, it is certainly interesting and mind-blowing to read through...but pretty much everyone who played ME3 must have heard at some point about it. Also, the thread is already 1500+ pages long, and if I remember correctly, the last thread got closed down because it was too long. So we get pinned only to get closed again sooner rather than later?

Hm...

Most ME3 players I've met had not heard about IT prior to me mentioning it to them.... 

[SwiftSlash]

Bringing it back to IT: did anyone notice the screaming howell noises from the dream, and from the final section of the conduit waddle in the decision chamber (very faintly)?

Also, were the whispers as loud during TIM's discussion pre EC?

Anther EC potential change, where there always growls after ever renegade/paragon persuasion completed successfully with TIM before?

Modifié par SwiftSlash, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:55 .

[Chashan]

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

From a literal perspective:

Control is the option that doesn't hinge on obliterating the Reapers, and doesn't lead to the death of the geth and EDI.  It's a restrained action that demands a big sacrifice.  Hence, you could say it's "paragon".

Destroy involves an aggressive act, pulling the trigger on certain forms of life in order to ensure more concrete safety.  It requires an act of aggression, yet potentially leads to Shepard being alive.  Hence, you could say it's  "renegade". 

But, in all honesty, that paradigm of paragon and renegade effectively means zilch once you enter into the decision chamber, outside of a meta-mindscrew from BioWare.  In the literal context, it all hinges on individual interpretation of what fits their individual Shepard's agenda. 

Even from a literal perspective, control involves enslaving an entire sentient species to do your bidding. Theres really no amount of justification that can make that paragon, as far as I'm concerned.

Also: control is the only one that has a different speech depending on if you're paragon or renegade, isnt it?

Seems odd to have a renegade version of a paragon option.

It was doubtlessly already pointed out in many places, but the one thing that dismisses control as being anywhere near "do-gooder" paragon values is the concept of absolute power that goes with it. Old saying goes that such power corrupts absolutely too no matter what, so there goes that.

An ethical approach to the abominations, or enslaved killing machines that the Reapers are is also several steps too meta-gamey far as I see it, but then again that is just me.

Other than that, congratulations to being stickied, people, hope it will last.

Modifié par Chashan, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:48 .

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

I always knew masster was a troll. xD

@Hellish: Slavery is alive and well, unfortunately. There was even a family in Orange County that had a little girl from another country as a slave. Or are you talking about it being condoned by the government?

Yes, hence the use of the term "civilizations". 

[FellishBeast]

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Do I really need to explain that two wrongs dont make a right, Rifneno?

It doesnt matter who I'm enslaving. The fact remains that I'm enslaving someone.

By that logic, we shouldn't kill them either.

Killing someone at least leaves them in a state of freedom. There is a distinction between shooting someone and cutting them up into little pieces. One is efficient, the other is cruel.

[HellishFiend]

Chashan wrote...
Other than that, congratulations to being stickied, people, hope it will last.

Thanks, but the validation isnt really significant to me either way. I've been convinced that IT is BW's plan for quite some time, and validation isnt required to continue believing that... 

[paxxton]

FellishBeast wrote...

I always knew masster was a troll. xD

masster blaster a troll? I don't think so. He tries to make IT better and defends it against those who are against it.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:51 .

[D.Sharrah]

The thread got stickied?! Awesome!

@ Hellish: Very true. But still awesome.

Edit:  Go away for a couple of days to play Skyrim and try to do my part for the weekend OP and this happens...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:52 .

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Well, we can always pm some mod and ask about the pin...

But then, it might 'compromise' the pin.

The pin is genuine, I believe. The other pinned thread is also fan-made.

Yeah, but those other pinned threads are all about actual official and announced stuff. Whats so special about a 'fan-theory'? Well, it is certainly interesting and mind-blowing to read through...but pretty much everyone who played ME3 must have heard at some point about it. Also, the thread is already 1500+ pages long, and if I remember correctly, the last thread got closed down because it was too long. So we get pinned only to get closed again sooner rather than later?

Hm...

Most ME3 players I've met had not heard about IT prior to me mentioning it to them.... 

Orly? That's...odd because I extrapolated my claim from a radio interview with Sam Hulick and two other composers of the soundtrack over at some classical music radio channel. At the end the interviewer gave her own thoughts on the ending and she outright said that she was a "suscriber of IT" -- even gave some arguments for it. So even someone who is very likely not an absolute gaming nerd knows about the theory...

Ah well, there goes another statistical mis-conclusion.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:52 .

[D.Sharrah]

Maximized: Nice avatar!

Thread: Is the ME Panel from SDCC on the interwebs, anywhere (leaving after posting this to go troll YouTube)?

Edit:  Just searched YouTube...only 2011 stuff popped up...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:55 .

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...


Orly? That's...odd because I extrapolated my claim from a radio interview with Sam Hulick and two other composers of the soundtrack over at some classical music radio channel. At the end the interviewer gave her own thoughts on the ending and she outright said that she was a "suscriber of IT" -- even gave some arguments for it. So even someone who is very likely not an absolute gaming nerd knows about the theory...

Ah well, there goes another statistical mis-conclusion.

I have no idea what the percentages are like, to be honest. But if I had to guess, I would think it would skew in the direction of being uninformed, due to the large amount of casual gamers that play the game. 

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Maximized: Nice avatar!

Thread: Is the ME Panel from SDCC on the interwebs, anywhere (leaving after posting this to go troll YouTube)?

Here:
http://www.newsarama...ent-future.html