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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Lord Goose wrote...

The Reapers are not fully Synthetic, they are a hybrid of Organic and Synthetic material and for all we know taht extends down to their very core. That alone is an indication that comparing Geth to Reapers is not accurate.


I do not see much difference. In both cases you deal with army of sentient alien creatures, which are hostile to everyone. In both cases you change their intentions according you will.

Now imagine having to hack the Reapers, a race which has existed for at least 1 billion years in which no one has successfully hacked them. In fact the group taht tried last cycle was Indoctrinated...

Now can you see why I am skeptical of Hacking the Reapers?

I'm disccussing significance of such action, not possibility. And, by way, no one managed to destroy them either.


But the question is how do you change their intentions according to your own?

We know the Reapers use a a combination of varius stimuli and nanites to cause the change in person, but such a change is not permanent as the person breaks down after a while. It is not true control like with Hacking a Synthetic at the deepest level.

So how do you change the mind of something you dont even know if thinks by organic or synthetic means or a combination (probably) and even more so when you cannot even develop a viable way of controlling the way weaker Synthetic you yourself created.

And on the second part you are wrong. While it is true the Reapers asa whole have not been Destroyed, individual Reapers of all sizes have been destroyed, both before this Cycle (Derelict reaper) and most certainly during this cycle.

The mere fact that they can be destroyed by such means, means they can stopped. Control offers no such promise beyond the words of a Reaper.

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estebanus wrote...
Indeed... 

*grabs speculation top hat* 

What could this possibly mean? That Bioware is planning something? That they may reveal something... shocking in this supposed leviathan DLC?

*Grabs soul crushing flat cap*

200 EMS points!?! I'm holding onto my save forever!


Wow, with EMS like that, who needs 50 vorcha sentinels

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HellishFiend wrote...

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I like how the etheral like music from the dream sequence is part of the music track after talking to the catalyst and walking to one of the three choices.


I like how the prominent piano notes are used as overtone for the dream sequences. I thought it was a very nice touch. Also leads me to think that the piano pieces themselves are intended to be associated with dreams/hallucinations. 

Huh. But isn't there also piano music when Grunt/Urdnot Dagg is killed?


Well, I meant specifically the Leaving Earth/An End piano piece by Mansell. 

Well yeah, but I meant that piano music is also used outside of dreams/hallucinations.

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estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Well, I meant specifically the Leaving Earth/An End piano piece by Mansell. 

Well yeah, but I meant that piano music is also used outside of dreams/hallucinations.


That's...actually news to me. Where?

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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Indeed... 

*grabs speculation top hat* 

What could this possibly mean? That Bioware is planning something? That they may reveal something... shocking in this supposed leviathan DLC?

*Grabs soul crushing flat cap*

200 EMS points!?! I'm holding onto my save forever!

Oh my! Bioware have simply outdone themselves, haven't they?

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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Well, I meant specifically the Leaving Earth/An End piano piece by Mansell. 

Well yeah, but I meant that piano music is also used outside of dreams/hallucinations.


That's...actually news to me. Where?

You know, when Grunt/Urdnott Dagg "dies", and also when Padok Wiks/Mordin gets shot by Shepard, I think.

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TSA_383 wrote...


Anyone want to feel crap at multiplayer?

How about a salarian infiltrator with only a widow rifle soloing reapers on gold?


^Compare and contrast with team IT getting slaughtered :lol:


It did take him an hour though :P.
Maybe I'll post a Quarian Infiltrator reaper gold solo some time in the future.

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estebanus wrote...

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Uhhhhhh...Why the hell has this thread been pinned?

Because we're awesome B)

Weird... This happened right after comic con...


Hah, that's... interesting.

Indeed... 

*grabs speculation top hat* 

What could this possibly mean? That Bioware is planning something? That they may reveal something... shocking in this supposed leviathan DLC?


Probably coincidence. I'm surprised it wasn't stickied sooner though. No other theory has had this much time and dedication put into it. 

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estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Well, I meant specifically the Leaving Earth/An End piano piece by Mansell. 

Well yeah, but I meant that piano music is also used outside of dreams/hallucinations.


That's...actually news to me. Where?

You know, when Grunt/Urdnott Dagg "dies", and also when Padok Wiks/Mordin gets shot by Shepard, I think.


Huh? That isnt Leaving Earth/An End. They arent even written by Mansell. The Grunt one, for example, is done by Cris Velasco and Sascha Dikiciyan. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 15 juillet 2012 - 06:52 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


Well, I meant specifically the Leaving Earth/An End piano piece by Mansell. 

Well yeah, but I meant that piano music is also used outside of dreams/hallucinations.


That's...actually news to me. Where?

You know, when Grunt/Urdnott Dagg "dies", and also when Padok Wiks/Mordin gets shot by Shepard, I think.


Huh? That isnt Leaving Earth/An End. They arent even written by Mansell. The Grunt one one, for example, is done by Cris Velasco and Sascha Dikiciyan. 

No, I mean that these also contain piano music. I know they aren't written by Mansell.

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So how do you change the mind of something you dont even know if thinks by organic or synthetic means or a combination (probably) and even more so when you cannot even develop a viable way of controlling the way weaker Synthetic you yourself created.


We also know that Reapers, in fact, were not creators of the cycle, but followed the pattern, created by somebody else. So it means, that they can be controled.

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estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...
You know, when Grunt/Urdnott Dagg "dies", and also when Padok Wiks/Mordin gets shot by Shepard, I think.


Huh? That isnt Leaving Earth/An End. They arent even written by Mansell. The Grunt one one, for example, is done by Cris Velasco and Sascha Dikiciyan. 

No, I mean that these also contain piano music. I know they aren't written by Mansell.


Oh, I see. Well in any case, I do think the Mansell pieces are intended to be associated with dreams/hallucinations. They always seem to show up in association with those themes. 

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And on the second part you are wrong. While it is true the Reapers asa whole have not been Destroyed, individual Reapers of all sizes have been destroyed, both before this Cycle (Derelict reaper) and most certainly during this cycle.

The mere fact that they can be destroyed by such means, means they can stopped. Control offers no such promise beyond the words of a Reaper.


We also know, that Reapers are servants of the cycles, not creators. If they can serve the pattern, they can serve different purpose.

Modifié par Lord Goose, 15 juillet 2012 - 06:58 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...
You know, when Grunt/Urdnott Dagg "dies", and also when Padok Wiks/Mordin gets shot by Shepard, I think.


Huh? That isnt Leaving Earth/An End. They arent even written by Mansell. The Grunt one one, for example, is done by Cris Velasco and Sascha Dikiciyan. 

No, I mean that these also contain piano music. I know they aren't written by Mansell.


Oh, I see. Well in any case, I do think the Mansell pieces are intended to be associated with dreams/hallucinations. They always seem to show up in association with those themes. 


Ach so, that's what you mean. 

But that actually depends on if the child is an hallucination or not...

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Lord Goose wrote...

And on the second part you are wrong. While it is true the Reapers asa whole have not been Destroyed, individual Reapers of all sizes have been destroyed, both before this Cycle (Derelict reaper) and most certainly during this cycle.

The mere fact that they can be destroyed by such means, means they can stopped. Control offers no such promise beyond the words of a Reaper.


We also know, that Reapers are servants of the cycles, not creators. If they can serve the pattern, they can serve different purpose.


yes, but they reaped thier creators. so much for creator control.

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Lord Goose wrote...

So how do you change the mind of something you dont even know if thinks by organic or synthetic means or a combination (probably) and even more so when you cannot even develop a viable way of controlling the way weaker Synthetic you yourself created.


We also know that Reapers, in fact, were not creators of the cycle, but followed the pattern, created by somebody else. So it means, that they can be controled.


Umm, we don't know that for a fact actually.

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Estebauns no, and isn't it weird that once I was done with my plan taking action. Bioware pinned IT, and the EC one, in which case. The places I visited.

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estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Oh, I see. Well in any case, I do think the Mansell pieces are intended to be associated with dreams/hallucinations. They always seem to show up in association with those themes. 


Ach so, that's what you mean. 

But that actually depends on if the child is an hallucination or not...


<_<

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Lord Goose wrote...

And on the second part you are wrong. While it is true the Reapers asa whole have not been Destroyed, individual Reapers of all sizes have been destroyed, both before this Cycle (Derelict reaper) and most certainly during this cycle.

The mere fact that they can be destroyed by such means, means they can stopped. Control offers no such promise beyond the words of a Reaper.


We also know, that Reapers are servants of the cycles, not creators. If they can serve the pattern, they can serve different purpose.

Yeah, they were controlled by an AI that was specifically built to control them. An AI that built the reapers. 

An AI is more capable of doing so than an organic.

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HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Oh, I see. Well in any case, I do think the Mansell pieces are intended to be associated with dreams/hallucinations. They always seem to show up in association with those themes. 


Ach so, that's what you mean. 

But that actually depends on if the child is an hallucination or not...


<_<

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Estebauns no, and isn't it weird that once I was done with my plan taking action. Bioware pinned IT, and the EC one, in which case. The places I visited.

You don't really think you're responsible for that, do you?

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Umm, we don't know that for a fact actually.

At very least where is such information, coming from independent source (prothean VI).

And, frankly, choosing methods which would work for sure, regardless of their consequences, is Renegade trait.

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Estebanus it's possible, and we joked around that I was the on that caused IT to be pinned.

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Estebanus it's possible, and we joked around that I was the on that caused IT to be pinned.

Why would they pin a thread because of you? The EC spoiler discussion was already pinned before.

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@masster blaster: What plan are you talking about?

Btw, the thread was pinned when I suggested that the bench in the first dream symbolizes the furniture left behind on Earth by Shepard. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:05 .