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[Lord Goose]

yes, but they reaped thier creators. so much for creator control.

Prothean VI tells us, that Reapers are servants of the cycle, which was established by somebody else.
Catalyst says that he established the cycle, and created the Reapers.

[Emiya_Archer]

TSA_383 wrote...

Okay, here's a serious request for help.

Remember the sound analysis I did on the main game? The one that gave us so much interesting stuff?

Well, for the DLC I have no tool for extracting all the files to different folders, the only one I have dumps everything to a single folder and names it 00001, 00002 etc, so I have 21000 files and no way to tell where they're supposed to be.

See if any of this tools help or not. 
http://www.mediafire.../?qyzdci68fx6cf

[estebanus]

Lord Goose wrote...

yes, but they reaped thier creators. so much for creator control.

Prothean VI tells us, that Reapers are servants of the cycle, which was established by somebody else.
Catalyst says that he established the cycle, and created the Reapers.

Catalyst created the reapers by killing its controllers.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

@masster blaster: What plan are you talking about?

Btw, the thread was pinned when I suggested that the bench in the first dream symbolizes the furniture left behind on Earth by Shepard.

He wants to create the ultimate theory by combining all pro-IT and non-IT theories into a new thread, a new...Theory.

Modifié par estebanus, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:09 .

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@masster blaster: What plan are you talking about?

Btw, the thread was pinned when I suggested that the bench in the first dream symbolizes the furniture left behind on Earth by Shepard.

He wants to create the ultimate theory by combining all pro-IT and non-IT theories into a new thread, a new...Theory.

But this is my plan!  Not exactly compiling current theories but creating a new one - Complete Unification Theory (CUT).

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[RavenEyry]

estebanus wrote...
He wants to create the ultimate theory by combining all pro-IT and non-IT theories into a new thread, a new...Theory.

There will be peace?

[masster blaster]

Paxxton read page 1873 up till 1875. You will understand what plan I am talking about.

[GethPrimeMKII]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

@masster blaster: What plan are you talking about?

Btw, the thread was pinned when I suggested that the bench in the first dream symbolizes the furniture left behind on Earth by Shepard.

He wants to create the ultimate theory by combining all pro-IT and non-IT theories into a new thread, a new...Theory.

The strength of both and the weakness of neither? Sorry couldn't resist.

[masster blaster]

Paxxton. That is why I took it to the next level.

[Priss Blackburne]

Lord Goose wrote...

Umm, we don't know that for a fact actually.

At very least where is such information, coming from independent source (prothean VI).

And, frankly, choosing methods which would work for sure, regardless of their consequences, is Renegade trait.

What exactly is then, believing the leader of your enemy and choosing a choice he wants despite the fact he is constantly contradicting himself. Referring to the reapers as "they" then "we". Then "I control the reapers" then "I am the embodiment of the reapers". How is giving your future into the hands of your enemy not considered a renegade choice as well then?

Ignoring previous events in your cycle. Like how uplifting a society ( interferring with their natural social evolution ) will lead to problems like the Krogan. That the Geth where never a violent race who wanted to destroy their creators. Or that even the Geth would rather find their own future, then be given it by the reapers.

[estebanus]

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...
He wants to create the ultimate theory by combining all pro-IT and non-IT theories into a new thread, a new...Theory.

There will be peace?

The hating will end. Combination is the ultimate evolution of theories, but we need each other to make it happen.

[masster blaster]

Hey. Some people actualy like the idea i had to get the Iters and non to work together.

[Phydeaux314]

Okay, I lol'd.

[Uncle Jo]

Lord Goose wrote...

*snip*

And, by the way, Saren didn't wanted Synthesis. He wanted to prove yourself useful for Reapers and survive the harvest. Not to eliminate difference between synthetic and organics to establish forever peace.

I don't think so.

"The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steal.
The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life.
This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth!" - Saren Arterius.

[Lord Goose]

Catalyst created the reapers by killing its controllers.

It is uknown, if they controlled him or not.
For all we know, they simply created AI, and told him to establish peace between organic and synthetic life.

What exactly is then, believing the leader of your enemy and choosing a choice he wants despite the fact he is constantly contradicting himself.

"The paths are open, but you have to choose". Supporters of Refuse kinda have the point, when they rant about "Reaper approved ways".

[Turbo_J]

Lord Goose wrote...

Umm, we don't know that for a fact actually.

At very least where is such information, coming from independent source (prothean VI).

And, frankly, choosing methods which would work for sure, regardless of their consequences, is Renegade trait.

This is what Shepard and crew have been lead to believe, but it still cannot be considered fact. Just like most of the symptoms of Indoctrination can't be proved as fact. Just like Liara can't prove her 'theory' on the cycle in ME1 nor can Vendetta in ME3... it's 'inferred'. The reapers like to do this. It's a form of manipulation.

I question the validity of anything coming from an AI/VI that may or may not have been hacked in the previous cycle or perhaps even this cycle. What I find most disturbing about Vendetta is that without a moments pause, it was communicating in a way that not just Shepard's was able to understand, but a way that the entire squad could understand. It was not left on like Vigil on Ilos. It had no time to monitor communications. How could it possibly be able to do that, and why wasn't it questioned. One of the first things Liara/Squad member says on Ilos is 'and I can understand it!'

Why was nobody surprised at this? Especially when moments ago only Shepard could sense the beacon and get it to activate due to the Cypher.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Hey. Some people actualy like the idea i had to get the Iters and non to work together.

Yes, I had that idea too. First attempt was the Unified Nanide-based Indoctrination Theory (UNIT) but it was too ahead of its times and got lost. Now a new theory will rise from the ashes and flow through BSN threads like a cleansing river.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:21 .

[masster blaster]

Paxxton but now we can go head with our plan and mayne we could pull this off.

[MaximizedAction]

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

estebanus wrote...
You know, when Grunt/Urdnott Dagg "dies", and also when Padok Wiks/Mordin gets shot by Shepard, I think.

Huh? That isnt Leaving Earth/An End. They arent even written by Mansell. The Grunt one one, for example, is done by Cris Velasco and Sascha Dikiciyan. 

No, I mean that these also contain piano music. I know they aren't written by Mansell.

Oh, I see. Well in any case, I do think the Mansell pieces are intended to be associated with dreams/hallucinations. They always seem to show up in association with those themes. 

Ach so, that's what you mean. 

But that actually depends on if the child is an hallucination or not...

"Hurrdurr the Leaving Earth theme is supposed to represent Shepard's connection to Earth and how he had to leave it."

[Riot86]

Turbo_J wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Umm, we don't know that for a fact actually.

At very least where is such information, coming from independent source (prothean VI).

And, frankly, choosing methods which would work for sure, regardless of their consequences, is Renegade trait.

This is what Shepard and crew have been lead to believe, but it still cannot be considered fact. Just like most of the symptoms of Indoctrination can't be proved as fact. Just like Liara can't prove her 'theory' on the cycle in ME1 nor can Vendetta in ME3... it's 'inferred'. The reapers like to do this. It's a form of manipulation.

I question the validity of anything coming from an AI/VI that may or may not have been hacked in the previous cycle or perhaps even this cycle. What I find most disturbing about Vendetta is that without a moments pause, it was communicating in a way that not just Shepard's was able to understand, but a way that the entire squad could understand. It was not left on like Vigil on Ilos. It had no time to monitor communications. How could it possibly be able to do that, and why wasn't it questioned. One of the first things Liara/Squad member says on Ilos is 'and I can understand it!'

Why was nobody surprised at this? Especially when moments ago only Shepard could sense the beacon and get it to activate due to the Cypher.

To be fair, it is most likely that the Asari have used Vendetta before...so at least it should know the Asari language.

And the "translators" used in the Mass Effect series would have no problem translating this language into English for Shepard.

Hence I don't think this is that weird

Modifié par Riot86, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:22 .

[Lord Goose]

"The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steal.
The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. I am a vision of the future, Shepard. The evolution of all organic life.
This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth!" - Saren Arterius.

As I said, it is nothing but boasting. Saren doesn't wants peace, nor he wants to upgrade all inhabitants of the galaxy to remove difference between organics and synthetics. He only wants to prove yourself useful for the Reapers and, thus, survive invasion. He just wants to be on winners side.

[SwiftSlash]

So, the last child sounds from the last dream really sounded like they were being played backwards to me...and honestly still do.

I've played them backwards and found nothing. It does sound like he says "falling asleep" once, but doubtful it means anything.

Him laughing and sobbing is scarey as hell backwards, though

Modifié par SwiftSlash, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:24 .

[RavenEyry]

Lord Goose wrote...

As I said, it is nothing but boasting. Saren doesn't wants peace, nor he wants to upgrade all inhabitants of the galaxy to remove difference between organics and synthetics. He only wants to prove yourself useful for the Reapers and, thus, survive invasion. He just wants to be on winners side.

He doesn't specifically refer to synthesis as we know it but the similarities are difnately there.

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

Paxxton but now we can go head with our plan and mayne we could pull this off.

Maybe. I still need to think how to state the new theory.

[MaximizedAction]

SwiftSlash wrote...

So, the last child sounds from the last dream really sounded like they were being played backwards to me...and honestly still do.

I've played them backwards and found nothing. It's does sound like he says "falling asleep" once, but doubtful it means anything.

Him laughing and sobbing is scarey as hell backwards, though

I think it's rather a sound effect to make it sound like played reversed, but the vocal is actually correct. I remember those soundfiles, TSA posted them at some point...there's even a youtube vid with those dream voices.