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[Chriz Tah Fah]

Dwailing wrote...

Edorian27 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Anyone else realize Shepard is alone during the end sequences for the first time in the Trilogy?

Mass Effect 1 he had two squadmates with him facing Saren, Mass Effect 2 he had two squadmates by his side facing the Proto Reaper, but by Mass Effect 3 and the Catalyst he is alone. 

 

Doesn't make sense at all that they got evacuated, when 2 minutes before they are all like "This is it" "to the death" etc.. and now they evacuate because of what? a broken fingernail?

However, comments of your squadmates regarding the starchild would be funny :innocent:

You know, Shepard could have just slapped some medi-gel on them and I'm sure they would have been fine.  I mean, that stuff heals them from being stabbed through the heart by a Banshee, how much worse can an accelerated beam of molten metal be?   In all seriousness, the evac scene IS kind of stupid, but there's something even more confusing.  In the scene on the Normandy where one of your teammates tells Joker that they have to go, that teammate could quite possibly be one of the guys that got blasted by Harby, and yet s/he's perfectly fine!  Man, Dr. Chakwas/Michel is one frakking good doctor!  Repairing ALL the damage from being blasted by an accelerated beam of molten metal in, what? 10-15 minutes or so?  She must have been top of the class in med-school!

You completely slowed down the discussion because I (we) all had to think of an answer for this. One of the chat option during the evac scene is "you would just slow me down." This is possibly why Shepard decides to get her taem out. As for the person telling Joker to leave being the person that got blasted, it was probably an overlook (can anyone confirm if this actually happens?). The biggest thing that doesn't make sense to me about this scene is why Harbinger doesn't shoot. The second part that doesn't make sense is, why didn't Shepard "request new squadmate" from the Normandy.

I guess this could be answered with the simple "the other squadmates were already on earth fighting" but shouldn't there at least be one or 2 people who could hold a gun on the Normandy?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Simon_Says wrote...

Remember that Hacket never said that Anderson made it to the beam. Coats said the entire team was decimated. IT even posulates that the Citadel Anderson was a hallucination.

For all we know, Anderson is dead, and was confirmed dead, even before Shepard 'made it to the beam'.

Still though I dont see how they should know. They are on a planet god knows where and despite having no idea (that we see) of what transpired on the Citadel they make the conclusion that Shepard is dead...except in one single case with no change in the amount of information and their knowledge of what happened that we see.

[Trollgunner]

Dwailing wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw overlaying gives this:

look how nicely the Makos on the left and right side line up with the edge of the path.

Yeah it is nice, it is almost as if it was intended...

Lot's of speculation for everyone. 

Well, to whoever did it, I take off my hat. Really nice overlay. Now I've got some fuel for my little IT theorist inside of me. 

Modifié par Trollgunner, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .

[Dwailing]

Simon_Says wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I still maintain reasonable assumption at play here.

Synthesis/Control: The reapers communicate what happened some time between the Crucible firing and the memorial scene. Either that or since Shepard effectively failed the mission (Destroy All Reapers!), there's no doubt Shepard wouldn't be coming back. As for Destroy, again it's a matter of degree. The mission succeeded, but remember with higher and higher EMS, less and less damage is done to collateral targets. There's that tipping point where Shepard survives, thus it must have been plausible for Shepard to survive in the first place. And since it was plausible, the LI maintains hope.

Logically speaking, say P is "It's plausible Shepard survive", S is "Shepard survives" and L is "LI believes Shepard could have survived."

S -> P
P -> L

∴ S -> L

Then what about Anderson? From what we know the Crew knows it Anderson and Shepard have the same chances of survival, so why do they only think Shepard might have survived?

Also am i the only one who considers our avatars of opposite facing Salarians hilarius in light of the fact that are discussing this? Starting to read my own and your comments like a Salarian

Remember that Hacket never said that Anderson made it to the beam. Coats said the entire team was decimated. IT even posulates that the Citadel Anderson was a hallucination.

For all we know, Anderson is dead, and was confirmed dead, even before Shepard 'made it to the beam'.

I refuse to believe that Anderson is dead.  He's suffered MUCH worse than one little vehicle crash (Read ME: Retribution for more details on what a stubborn son of a bosh'tet he is.).  That's one of the main personal reasons that I like IT (I have personal and I have logical reasons.  The logical are the ones that are primarily focused on how it makes sense, the personal are the ones that are just that, reasons that I WANT IT to true rather than reasons that I THINK IT is true.) is how Anderson survives.  He's come too far to just die.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...


You completely slowed down the discussion because I (we) all had to think of an answer for this. One of the chat option during the evac scene is "you would just slow me down." This is possibly why Shepard decides to get her taem out. As for the person telling Joker to leave being the person that got blasted, it was probably an overlook (can anyone confirm if this actually happens?). The biggest thing that doesn't make sense to me about this scene is why Harbinger doesn't shoot. The second part that doesn't make sense is, why didn't Shepard "request new squadmate" from the Normandy.

I guess this could be answered with the simple "the other squadmates were already on earth fighting" but shouldn't there at least be one or 2 people who could hold a gun on the Normandy?

Considering everyone is on the Normandy as it crashes on the planet I think it is safe to assume everyone was on board at that point...which just makes it stupid...also yes there were several soldiers aboard the Normandy who could have jumped out completely fresh and ready to charge, like the two guarding the security checkpoint.

[UltimateTobi]

Shepard was alone when he had to do the Arrival DLC mission. He had no squad mates with him.

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I still maintain reasonable assumption at play here.

Synthesis/Control: The reapers communicate what happened some time between the Crucible firing and the memorial scene. Either that or since Shepard effectively failed the mission (Destroy All Reapers!), there's no doubt Shepard wouldn't be coming back. As for Destroy, again it's a matter of degree. The mission succeeded, but remember with higher and higher EMS, less and less damage is done to collateral targets. There's that tipping point where Shepard survives, thus it must have been plausible for Shepard to survive in the first place. And since it was plausible, the LI maintains hope.

Logically speaking, say P is "It's plausible Shepard survive", S is "Shepard survives" and L is "LI believes Shepard could have survived."

S -> P
P -> L

∴ S -> L

Then what about Anderson? From what we know the Crew knows it Anderson and Shepard have the same chances of survival, so why do they only think Shepard might have survived?

Also am i the only one who considers our avatars of opposite facing Salarians hilarius in light of the fact that are discussing this? Starting to read my own and your comments like a Salarian

Remember that Hacket never said that Anderson made it to the beam. Coats said the entire team was decimated. IT even posulates that the Citadel Anderson was a hallucination.

For all we know, Anderson is dead, and was confirmed dead, even before Shepard 'made it to the beam'.

I refuse to believe that Anderson is dead.  He's suffered MUCH worse than one little vehicle crash (Read ME: Retribution for more details on what a stubborn son of a bosh'tet he is.).  That's one of the main personal reasons that I like IT (I have personal and I have logical reasons.  The logical are the ones that are primarily focused on how it makes sense, the personal are the ones that are just that, reasons that I WANT IT to true rather than reasons that I THINK IT is true.) is how Anderson survives.  He's come too far to just die.

Yeah, you'd think that a war hero would be able to survive one bullet.

[estebanus]

UltimateTobi wrote...

Shepard was alone when he had to do the Arrival DLC mission. He had no squad mates with him.

That's not an ending. It's a DLC. 

I could also say that Shepard is alone each time s/he's on the Normandy.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Dwailing wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I still maintain reasonable assumption at play here.

Synthesis/Control: The reapers communicate what happened some time between the Crucible firing and the memorial scene. Either that or since Shepard effectively failed the mission (Destroy All Reapers!), there's no doubt Shepard wouldn't be coming back. As for Destroy, again it's a matter of degree. The mission succeeded, but remember with higher and higher EMS, less and less damage is done to collateral targets. There's that tipping point where Shepard survives, thus it must have been plausible for Shepard to survive in the first place. And since it was plausible, the LI maintains hope.

Logically speaking, say P is "It's plausible Shepard survive", S is "Shepard survives" and L is "LI believes Shepard could have survived."

S -> P
P -> L

∴ S -> L

Then what about Anderson? From what we know the Crew knows it Anderson and Shepard have the same chances of survival, so why do they only think Shepard might have survived?

Also am i the only one who considers our avatars of opposite facing Salarians hilarius in light of the fact that are discussing this? Starting to read my own and your comments like a Salarian

Remember that Hacket never said that Anderson made it to the beam. Coats said the entire team was decimated. IT even posulates that the Citadel Anderson was a hallucination.

For all we know, Anderson is dead, and was confirmed dead, even before Shepard 'made it to the beam'.

I refuse to believe that Anderson is dead.  He's suffered MUCH worse than one little vehicle crash (Read ME: Retribution for more details on what a stubborn son of a bosh'tet he is.).  That's one of the main personal reasons that I like IT (I have personal and I have logical reasons.  The logical are the ones that are primarily focused on how it makes sense, the personal are the ones that are just that, reasons that I WANT IT to true rather than reasons that I THINK IT is true.) is how Anderson survives.  He's come too far to just die.

If Anderson ever goes out in the mass effect series. I want to see him take a bullet for Shepard and say "you did good, child. You did good."

[Trollgunner]

Dwailing wrote...


I refuse to believe that Anderson is dead.  He's suffered MUCH worse than one little vehicle crash (Read ME: Retribution for more details on what a stubborn son of a bosh'tet he is.).  That's one of the main personal reasons that I like IT (I have personal and I have logical reasons.  The logical are the ones that are primarily focused on how it makes sense, the personal are the ones that are just that, reasons that I WANT IT to true rather than reasons that I THINK IT is true.) is how Anderson survives.  He's come too far to just die.

And don't forget that there is someone waiting for him to return! His LI!

Modifié par Trollgunner, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[UltimateTobi]

estebanus wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Shepard was alone when he had to do the Arrival DLC mission. He had no squad mates with him.

That's not an ending. It's a DLC. 

I could also say that Shepard is alone each time s/he's on the Normandy.

Well, I actually meant that in ME2, that was his most vulnurable part. He was alone, noone was able to help him.
Shepard is just human.

[Dwailing]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Edorian27 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Anyone else realize Shepard is alone during the end sequences for the first time in the Trilogy?

Mass Effect 1 he had two squadmates with him facing Saren, Mass Effect 2 he had two squadmates by his side facing the Proto Reaper, but by Mass Effect 3 and the Catalyst he is alone. 

 

Doesn't make sense at all that they got evacuated, when 2 minutes before they are all like "This is it" "to the death" etc.. and now they evacuate because of what? a broken fingernail?

However, comments of your squadmates regarding the starchild would be funny :innocent:

You know, Shepard could have just slapped some medi-gel on them and I'm sure they would have been fine.  I mean, that stuff heals them from being stabbed through the heart by a Banshee, how much worse can an accelerated beam of molten metal be?   In all seriousness, the evac scene IS kind of stupid, but there's something even more confusing.  In the scene on the Normandy where one of your teammates tells Joker that they have to go, that teammate could quite possibly be one of the guys that got blasted by Harby, and yet s/he's perfectly fine!  Man, Dr. Chakwas/Michel is one frakking good doctor!  Repairing ALL the damage from being blasted by an accelerated beam of molten metal in, what? 10-15 minutes or so?  She must have been top of the class in med-school!

You completely slowed down the discussion because I (we) all had to think of an answer for this. One of the chat option during the evac scene is "you would just slow me down." This is possibly why Shepard decides to get her taem out. As for the person telling Joker to leave being the person that got blasted, it was probably an overlook (can anyone confirm if this actually happens?). The biggest thing that doesn't make sense to me about this scene is why Harbinger doesn't shoot. The second part that doesn't make sense is, why didn't Shepard "request new squadmate" from the Normandy.

I guess this could be answered with the simple "the other squadmates were already on earth fighting" but shouldn't there at least be one or 2 people who could hold a gun on the Normandy?

They had three frakking monthes to develop the EC, I HIGHLY doubt that there would be an oversight like that (It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could confirm this.).  Also, my personal opinion on why Harby didn't blast the Normandy is that it wanted leverage so that Shepard wouldn't choose Destroy.  If it had destroyed the Normandy, and if Shepard had let the Geth die, then Shep wouldn't have any reason NOT to choose Destroy.  Also, I agree that it's weird that Shep doesn't get extra support from the Normandy. 

[GreenFlag]

Ok, again Mako






but I think, it's optical illusion




original

Modifié par GreenFlag, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:02 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

UltimateTobi wrote...

Shepard was alone when he had to do the Arrival DLC mission. He had no squad mates with him.

But think about it. The way we've looked at the Arrival DLC and the amount of evidence it has contributed. It is pretty safe to say that that DLC falls in the same category as the ending when regarding ambiguity.

[Dwailing]

Trollgunner wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw overlaying gives this:

look how nicely the Makos on the left and right side line up with the edge of the path.

Yeah it is nice, it is almost as if it was intended...

Lot's of speculation for everyone. 

Well, to whoever did it, I take off my hat. Really nice overlay. Now I've got some fuel for my little IT theorist inside of me. 

MegumiAzusa is the woman you want to compliment for that one.  Also, big props for this Megumi.  It's definitely interesting just how well the two scenes line up.

[Dwailing]

GreenFlag wrote...

Ok, again Mako

Wait, is that the Mako from the breathe scene?   Now THAT is interesting.  BioWare must have added that for a reason. 

[Andromidius]

Dwailing wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw overlaying gives this:

look how nicely the Makos on the left and right side line up with the edge of the path.

Yeah it is nice, it is almost as if it was intended...

Lot's of speculation for everyone. 

Well, to whoever did it, I take off my hat. Really nice overlay. Now I've got some fuel for my little IT theorist inside of me. 

MegumiAzusa is the woman you want to compliment for that one.  Also, big props for this Megumi.  It's definitely interesting just how well the two scenes line up.

I'd not mind seeing the two original pictures used to make the overlay.  Just so I can see for sure which is which.

[Simon_Says]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Remember that Hacket never said that Anderson made it to the beam. Coats said the entire team was decimated. IT even posulates that the Citadel Anderson was a hallucination.

For all we know, Anderson is dead, and was confirmed dead, even before Shepard 'made it to the beam'.

Still though I dont see how they should know. They are on a planet god knows where and despite having no idea (that we see) of what transpired on the Citadel they make the conclusion that Shepard is dead...except in one single case with no change in the amount of information and their knowledge of what happened that we see.

It's not about knowing. It's about guessing. Remember that most of the Normandy crew doesn't know Anderson half as well as Shepard did. Or probably even cared half as much as Shepard did. Accepting Anderson (Shepard's friend who they didn't really know too much) to be dead would be much easier for them than to accept Shepard (borderline parental figure/best friend/lover) to be dead.

[UltimateTobi]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...

Shepard was alone when he had to do the Arrival DLC mission. He had no squad mates with him.

But think about it. The way we've looked at the Arrival DLC and the amount of evidence it has contributed. It is pretty safe to say that that DLC falls in the same category as the ending when regarding ambiguity.

That was what I meant. It's similar. Shepard is alone, hence most vulnurable.
I'm on your side, I didn't want to sound negative with this.
Was just saying, that his mind and body were most vulnurable when he was alone. There was no squad mate who could bring him back on the "true way". If Object Rho would've managed to completely indoctrinate Shepard back then, there wouldn't have been a squaddie to talk him down/make him reason, OR killed him if nessecary.

I'm not sure if you get my point, but yeah, I saw similarities.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Dwailing wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Edorian27 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Anyone else realize Shepard is alone during the end sequences for the first time in the Trilogy?

Mass Effect 1 he had two squadmates with him facing Saren, Mass Effect 2 he had two squadmates by his side facing the Proto Reaper, but by Mass Effect 3 and the Catalyst he is alone. 

 

Doesn't make sense at all that they got evacuated, when 2 minutes before they are all like "This is it" "to the death" etc.. and now they evacuate because of what? a broken fingernail?

However, comments of your squadmates regarding the starchild would be funny :innocent:

You know, Shepard could have just slapped some medi-gel on them and I'm sure they would have been fine.  I mean, that stuff heals them from being stabbed through the heart by a Banshee, how much worse can an accelerated beam of molten metal be?   In all seriousness, the evac scene IS kind of stupid, but there's something even more confusing.  In the scene on the Normandy where one of your teammates tells Joker that they have to go, that teammate could quite possibly be one of the guys that got blasted by Harby, and yet s/he's perfectly fine!  Man, Dr. Chakwas/Michel is one frakking good doctor!  Repairing ALL the damage from being blasted by an accelerated beam of molten metal in, what? 10-15 minutes or so?  She must have been top of the class in med-school!

You completely slowed down the discussion because I (we) all had to think of an answer for this. One of the chat option during the evac scene is "you would just slow me down." This is possibly why Shepard decides to get her taem out. As for the person telling Joker to leave being the person that got blasted, it was probably an overlook (can anyone confirm if this actually happens?). The biggest thing that doesn't make sense to me about this scene is why Harbinger doesn't shoot. The second part that doesn't make sense is, why didn't Shepard "request new squadmate" from the Normandy.

I guess this could be answered with the simple "the other squadmates were already on earth fighting" but shouldn't there at least be one or 2 people who could hold a gun on the Normandy?

They had three frakking monthes to develop the EC, I HIGHLY doubt that there would be an oversight like that (It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could confirm this.).  Also, my personal opinion on why Harby didn't blast the Normandy is that it wanted leverage so that Shepard wouldn't choose Destroy.  If it had destroyed the Normandy, and if Shepard had let the Geth die, then Shep wouldn't have any reason NOT to choose Destroy.  Also, I agree that it's weird that Shep doesn't get extra support from the Normandy. 

That was also my theory that Harbinger didn't fire because he didn't want Shepard to only have (even more) hate for the reapers than he/she already has when going into the decision chamber.

Edit: Shepard is also alone on the Citadel in ME3 but not in the other games. I doubt this means much as this was probably for fluidity because it got tedious picking characters for parts where there was no fighting. Although the side comments were funny.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:01 .

[Trollgunner]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa is the woman you want to compliment for that one.  Also, big props for this Megumi.  It's definitely interesting just how well the two scenes line up.

Okay, I give my thanks to MegumiAzusa. Oh, and Dwailing, I think it's time to revive this thread (considering the Normandy Pickup scene). Check it, it's fun. Time out for Harby

[Arian Dynas]

RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...
No. No it's not, seeing as bad dreams while a symptom of PTSD, are just as easily a symptom of a bad cheese sandwich and alot of guilt.

I wasn't bashing PTSD or anything, what I meant is when you first play the game, you're not supposed to think the dreams were indoctrination attempts, and I doubt anyone did the first time.

Um, to be honest, Turbo J and I did.

The first thing out of my mouth when I saw that kid in the vent was "He's not really there, is he?" I knew something was wrong, but I wasn't sure what, attaching Indoctrination came later.

[Dwailing]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Edorian27 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Anyone else realize Shepard is alone during the end sequences for the first time in the Trilogy?

Mass Effect 1 he had two squadmates with him facing Saren, Mass Effect 2 he had two squadmates by his side facing the Proto Reaper, but by Mass Effect 3 and the Catalyst he is alone. 

 

Doesn't make sense at all that they got evacuated, when 2 minutes before they are all like "This is it" "to the death" etc.. and now they evacuate because of what? a broken fingernail?

However, comments of your squadmates regarding the starchild would be funny :innocent:

You know, Shepard could have just slapped some medi-gel on them and I'm sure they would have been fine.  I mean, that stuff heals them from being stabbed through the heart by a Banshee, how much worse can an accelerated beam of molten metal be?   In all seriousness, the evac scene IS kind of stupid, but there's something even more confusing.  In the scene on the Normandy where one of your teammates tells Joker that they have to go, that teammate could quite possibly be one of the guys that got blasted by Harby, and yet s/he's perfectly fine!  Man, Dr. Chakwas/Michel is one frakking good doctor!  Repairing ALL the damage from being blasted by an accelerated beam of molten metal in, what? 10-15 minutes or so?  She must have been top of the class in med-school!

You completely slowed down the discussion because I (we) all had to think of an answer for this. One of the chat option during the evac scene is "you would just slow me down." This is possibly why Shepard decides to get her taem out. As for the person telling Joker to leave being the person that got blasted, it was probably an overlook (can anyone confirm if this actually happens?). The biggest thing that doesn't make sense to me about this scene is why Harbinger doesn't shoot. The second part that doesn't make sense is, why didn't Shepard "request new squadmate" from the Normandy.

I guess this could be answered with the simple "the other squadmates were already on earth fighting" but shouldn't there at least be one or 2 people who could hold a gun on the Normandy?

They had three frakking monthes to develop the EC, I HIGHLY doubt that there would be an oversight like that (It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could confirm this.).  Also, my personal opinion on why Harby didn't blast the Normandy is that it wanted leverage so that Shepard wouldn't choose Destroy.  If it had destroyed the Normandy, and if Shepard had let the Geth die, then Shep wouldn't have any reason NOT to choose Destroy.  Also, I agree that it's weird that Shep doesn't get extra support from the Normandy. 

That was also my theory that Harbinger didn't fire because he didn't want Shepard to only have (even more) hate for the reapers than he/she already has when going into the decision chamber.

Edit: Shepard is also alone on the Citadel in ME3 but not in the other games. I doubt this means much as this was probably for fluidity because it got tedious picking characters for parts where there was no fighting. Although the side comments were funny.

Actually, my guess for why they did the Citadel that way in ME3 was so that they could have all your squadmates where they needed to be for their various chats on the Citadel.  You know, because so much of the dialogue now happens on the Citadel and not just the Normandy.

[Dwailing]

Trollgunner wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa is the woman you want to compliment for that one.  Also, big props for this Megumi.  It's definitely interesting just how well the two scenes line up.

Okay, I give my thanks to MegumiAzusa. Oh, and Dwailing, I think it's time to revive this thread (considering the Normandy Pickup scene). Check it, it's fun. Time out for Harby

Wow, that seems almost exactly like what happened.  It all makes sense now!

[Trollgunner]

Dwailing wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa is the woman you want to compliment for that one.  Also, big props for this Megumi.  It's definitely interesting just how well the two scenes line up.

Okay, I give my thanks to MegumiAzusa. Oh, and Dwailing, I think it's time to revive this thread (considering the Normandy Pickup scene). Check it, it's fun. Time out for Harby

Wow, that seems almost exactly like what happened.  It all makes sense now!

I knew you would like that ^^