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[Dwailing]

lex0r11 wrote...

I'm all for enthusiasm, but come on guys.

Not sure if spamming "CHRIS! WE WANT THIS THREAD STICKIED! DO YOU? " is a good idea.

People are watching!

We're not spamming it yet, we're just stating it one person at a time.  Spamming it would be repeating it multiple times in one comment.  But yeah, we probably SHOULD stop it.  Wouldn't want Chris to shut us down AGAIN.

[Humakt83]

jgibson14352 wrote...

wait what does getting stickied mean?

It means you get sticky from all the Reaper goo in order to bring forth Synthesis.

[L0NEWOLF25]

I'm gone for 1 day and this is what happends.

[FFZero]

TSA_383 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Ok then, let's all shout really loudly. Hold hands and say it! "Chris! We want this thread stickied! Do you?!"

You see what you've started here?
Really?
Really?

Also, am I the only one to have so far failed the weekend op?

Got to wave 10 three times in a row before getting disemboweled by friendly banshees.

Nope, you're not alone. After our epic fail match my luck didn't get any better.

[masster blaster]

Trollgunner wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys remember when Shepard falls on all fours the first time. When
Shepard wakes up from Harbys beam. Well look at the part when Shepard is
with the Catalyst. Shepard is on all fours like the first time Shepard fallen to the ground.

Then the Catalyst says wake up.

Now
where never considered the fact, that the Indoctrination attempt was
in fact when Shepard goes up to the Citadel, but we never guessed that it
could have happened right when Shepard falls to the ground on all
fours.

And if this theory is correct about Shepard walking around on Earth, then here is the missing link we did not see could happen.

Now that's interesting. What if Shepard is walking near the conduit? . . .That's brilliant! Just think, if he jump fro synthesis ending,  that means he jumps into conduit and then becomes a fuel for future reaper core. Still need thinking for control and destroy, but now thanks for MegumiAzusa, we got great combined pic!

Yes it dos.

If you think for a momunte Shepard falls on all fours the first time Shepard wakes up., but when we are lifted up to teh Catalyst Chambers. Shepard is on all fours again, but this Time the Catalyst say wake up. As if Shepard was dreaming, of being Indoctrinated. But now this is the real deal.

When you look at the same exact similarites of the Conduit and the Chambers, you can see similarites between the scenes. Now if Shepard is on Earth as we think Shepard is, then this is good evidece, that the choices we make is actually the Harby shoting his laser at Shepard, and if you chose wrong. Your dad. If you pick right you live.


Any thoughts ladys, and gents.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:07 .

[RaenImrahl]

jgibson14352 wrote...

wait what does getting stickied mean?

Pinned to the top of the forum list-- like announcements or official discussion theads do from time to time. 

Now-- to clarify-- you should send Chris a personal message using the menu "Messages' menu on the left if you all should wish to make that request.

Other topic:  Can we avoid the quote pyramids, please?

Thanks all,

RI

[Arian Dynas]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Anyone else realize Shepard is alone during the end sequences for the first time in the Trilogy?

Mass Effect 1 he had two squadmates with him facing Saren, Mass Effect 2 he had two squadmates by his side facing the Proto Reaper, but by Mass Effect 3 and the Catalyst he is alone. 

Now this can easily simply be the good old trope of the Hero having to finish his journey alone and nothing wrong with that.

But I noticed that many of Biowares RPGs actually feature the Hero and his team facing the final challenge together. And that makes sense since many of Bioware´s heroes are people whose greatest strength was their ability to gather others around them and amke them fight together.

I cant speak for Baldur´s Gate 1 as i havent played it and i cant remember if you are alone in Baldur´s Gate 2s ending. i do remember though that you are alone in Knights of the Old Republic.

But in Dragon Age: Origins the warden fights alongside his team and many major characters from throughout the game as well as other soldiers against the Archdemon.

And Dragon Age 2 for all its flaws has Hawke fighting alongside not only his current Squad but every party member in the game during the final battle. That was actully a part i really liked about that battle especially since the way I discovered it was quite epic. My Hawke was running low on Health and my current healers spells were on CD when suddenly a heal comes out of nowhere. I look around and see Hawke´s sister coming in from the side, pretty epic.

But I juts find it curious that after the last two games having Shepard with a squad in the end, he is alone here.

Your entire party accompanies you to the duel against Sarevok, seeing as they have to deal with Sarevok's flunkies while you fight him (or at least that's how I did it  1 on 1 duel baby!) in Baldur's Gate. In BG 2, your party literally goes to Hell and back for you when you face down Irenicus, and they're there with you when you finally make your way to the fight at the foot of the Throne of Blood.

And speaking of entire party fights, that's one thing I Loooooooooooved about Neverwinter Nights 2's ending, you get the entire party with you! Well, except the people who betrayed you that is.

[masster blaster]

RaenImrahl wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

wait what does getting stickied mean?

Pinned to the top of the forum list-- like announcements or official discussion theads do from time to time. 

Now-- to clarify-- you should send Chris a personal message using the menu "Messages' menu on the left if you all should wish to make that request.

Other topic:  Can we avoid the quote pyramids, please?

Thanks all,

RI

Okay we will, and thanks again.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:02 .

[paxxton]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Oh hey - the thread is not stickied anymore - what did I miss?

What? But why?

[Simon_Says]

Now the problem is that Mr. Priestly closed the previous thread. Should we risk provoking him into doing it again by flooding his message inbox?

For all we know he's indoctrinated.

By the way. Bioware. Bio ware. Biological hard/software.

Synthesis.

God damn it Paxxton you're a terrible, terrible influence.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:06 .

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Oh hey - the thread is not stickied anymore - what did I miss?

What? But why?

When can ask Chris to put it back, but we have to ask nicely and send Chris a message.

[UltimateTobi]

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Oh hey - the thread is not stickied anymore - what did I miss?

What? But why?

When can ask Chris to put it back, but we have to ask nicely and send Chris a message.

I don't think forcing a sticky is good. If they do it from their side, it'd be much better.

[Dwailing]

Simon_Says wrote...

Now the problem is that Mr. Priestly closed the previous thread. Should we risk provoking him into doing it again by flooding his message inbox?

For all we know he's indoctrinated.

We don't have to spam him, we just have to ask him nicely, cross our fingers, hope for the best, but expect the worst.

[masster blaster]

Simon_Says wrote...

Now the problem is that Mr. Priestly closed the previous thread. Should we risk provoking him into doing it again by flooding his message inbox?

For all we know he's indoctrinated.

Well if we ask nicely and not shout at him. maybe, but let's not call him Indoc because he has the power to shut us down.

[lex0r11]

Please don't. Just don't message about this.

Let's keep this going like before guys.

[Priss Blackburne]

lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't. Just don't message about this.

Let's keep this going like before guys.

tend to agree with this.

[estebanus]

lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't. Just don't message about this.

Let's keep this going like before guys.

To late. Masster has already asked him.

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Oh hey - the thread is not stickied anymore - what did I miss?

What? But why?

When can ask Chris to put it back, but we have to ask nicely and send Chris a message.

I think it should be a single message (probably best if it's from byne as he is the OP of this thread).

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't. Just don't message about this.

Let's keep this going like before guys.

To late. Masster has already asked him.

Was there any answer?

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

The Reapers are not fully Synthetic, they are a hybrid of Organic and Synthetic material and for all we know taht extends down to their very core. That alone is an indication that comparing Geth to Reapers is not accurate.

Actually, what is the fundamental difference between an organic and a synthetic intelligence anyway? Why must they be in conflict? Because as far as I can tell, the series has never actually answered that question, just danced around it. It handed out the labels without ever providing concise definitions. The distinction in hardware is insufficient. For instance, consider an artificial intelligence based off of an organic template. Will that mind think like an organic or like a synthetic? What exactly is Christopher Huerta? Or possibly even Shepard? Therefore the crux of the difference can't be the hardware the intelligence runs on, but the different models of the intelligences themselves.

The obvious place to start would be origin. Organics weren't created. Organic models of intelligence are the lucky product of millions of generations of natural selection. Synthetics intelligences on the other hand are fashioned from the ground up due to the work of other intelligences. The best suggestion I can come up for what this means doesn't really draw upon any lore from the series itself, just a personal hypothesis.

The difference between the human brain and a desktop computer is that the latter is a truth engine, while the former is a survival engine. Your brain is there to keep you alive, not to be correct all the time, and as such efficiency and speed take precedence over reliability or objectivity, whereas computers are the opposite. This is why your visual cortex can be confused by optical illusions, why you can be swayed by ethos and pathos in addition to logos, and how magicians can still pull off sleights of hand even when you're actively trying to outsmart the magician. Like it or not your brain, marvelous piece of work that it is, is a glitchy, exploitable mess that makes Windows ME look like genius programming. This is because natural selection selects for the most efficient solutions available to adapting conditions, not the most ideal possible. This is why computers are so useful for us. Limited as they are, they can do certain jobs more reliably than we ever could. A human could theoretically do the same work, but they'd do it much slower and be far and beyond more prone to error.

So a synthetic intelligence, if it was developed from truth-engine principles, would be free from the pains of the ubiquitous 'human error'. Except this doesn't mean it's objectively better. Again, natural selection selected fast-and-loose intelligence over methodical-and-reliable in our own evolution. The simple fact is that when it comes to the two primary behaviors of intelligence, decision making and learning, being fast and mostly accurate will statistically prove more successful than always accurate but slow. A mind running on guidelines can decide, learn, and adapt faster than one based on rigid principles.

I think this is actually sorta reflected in ME lore. Consider the geth station in ME2. Legion, who's thought processes ran much faster than any human's, was still paralyzed by indecision trying to reach a consensus over what to do with the heretics whereas we and our Shepards could come to a conclusion mere minutes after being presented the problem. I doubt any of you actually took the time to observe, interpret, and forecast every variable factoring in to that decision. No, you used guidelines you heuristically developed, flawed or incomplete though they may be. In the grand scheme of things, it's okay to be wrong some of the time. Hell, EDI even mentioned that the possibility of being wrong can introduce an unforecastable element of chaos which can be strategically advantageous.

Neither solution is truly ideal then as a possible model for intelligence. The ideal one would, you guessed it, be something with the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither. Infallible yet speedy. What this could be exactly, I don't know. But the thought has occurred to me that the reapers are an attempt to closely approximate this goal. I forget the exact name of the theory in question but it's an established theory that a group of well-informed minds will statistically prove more correct in decision making or data analysis than they could individually, since each individual can communicate and correct the mistakes of others. So the reapers emulate several billion organic-derived thought models working in tandem, with an absolutely massive and advanced technological infrastructure to let them operate fast and reliable enough.

So this may be the reason the reapers always held themselves to be so mighty, infallible, inevitable and all that. Yet, we know that the reapers are certifiably evil and insane. How to reconcile this? Well, remember that if it's in possession of incorrect or incomplete data, even the perfect mind will draw incorrect conclusions. If it ever loses sight of its own failings, however small or insignificant they are at first, they can grow to prove that mind's undoing. And an a**hole is an a**hole, intelligence does not correlate with benevolence. Not to mention that the idea of getting several minds to work together to think better than they could individually relies on those minds being sufficiently diverse. If they share common problems among them, if they are insufficiently well-informed, or if they are standardized on fundamental levels, the strategy would fall apart completely.

I’ve no idea why organic and synthetics should inevitably come into conflict however. They’re alien to each other, yes. They think differently and desire different things, yes. If human history is anything to go by, conflict will arise at some point for these reasons but total wipeout of one or both sides is not guaranteed. Hell it’s not even likely. It seems to me more likely that such different sides would lay down arms and cooperate if only to study each other in order to better understand and improve themselves. It’s not as diversity hasn’t actually benefitted the world in the long run. The Catalyst says the synthetic apocalypse threatens the galaxy and yet there’s no reason to actually believe this is the case. Bah.

Anyway this is just me throwing speculation at the wall to find out what sticks. What do you guys think about this?

I think it's brilliant.

[Simon_Says]

And people called me a part pooper before...

Okay back on topic. It was Megumi who got these images right? ([1] [2] [3]) Can someone confirm if the crucible ramps line up with the dead bodies on the stumble towards the beam?

[Arian Dynas]

TSA_383 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Ok then, let's all shout really loudly. Hold hands and say it! "Chris! We want this thread stickied! Do you?!"

You see what you've started here?
Really?
Really?

Mia culpa. 

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Please don't. Just don't message about this.

Let's keep this going like before guys.

To late. Masster has already asked him.

Was there any answer?

I don't know yet. I think Priestly is offline right now.

[UltimateTobi]

As I said, we shouldn't ask for, or force it.

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Now the problem is that Mr. Priestly closed the previous thread. Should we risk provoking him into doing it again by flooding his message inbox?

For all we know he's indoctrinated.

By the way. Bioware. Bio ware. Biological hard/software.

Synthesis.

God damn it Paxxton you're a terrible, terrible influence.

Oh good God.

From the wikipedia entry of their first ever game, Shattered Steel;

Wikipedia said...
Shattered Steel takes place in a desolate future where humanity is on the verge of extinction. The single-player campaign takes place over 5 separate worlds (planets), each planet has about 20 missions.The enemy in the game is a group of aliens who are in some way or another organic, mechanical or a combination of both. Examples of this are the Aspis, a spider-like enemy with an organic look and the Wasp, a very mechanical looking air vehicle. As the story unfolds, more is discovered about who controls the aliens, what their purposes are, and how to destroy them once and for all.