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MegumiAzusa wrote...
In the prolog when Shep is tossed away by the beam and hit her head on the ground you can suddenly hear voices, which subsequently fade out again as Shep regains consciousness.
As did I.byne wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
byne wrote...
-snip-
BTW, it got lost in how fast this thread moves but... trusting the Architect? Really?
Yeah, dont really know why, but I did trust him.
dmay7 wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Oh good, thought I was sounding like an idiot.
It's really hard to bungle up science fiction because you have so much leeway with what can be considered realistic.The only time it gets challenging is when you have a ton of precedent lore/canon that you have to honor when making future content. Star Trek ran into that problem so much that they had to have technical manuals for the episode writers.
I actually own some of those Tech manuals...
dmay7 wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
In the prolog when Shep is tossed away by the beam and hit her head on the ground you can suddenly hear voices, which subsequently fade out again as Shep regains consciousness.
I was gonna dismiss it as just muffled people screaming, but the fact they fade out interests me. THe voices seems both robotic and organic...maybe Shepards mind screaming in agony?
Modifié par HellishFiend, 23 mai 2012 - 01:50 .
dmay7 wrote...
What if the Protheans actually completed the Crucible, and were tricked by Starbinger to pick synthesis, and rewrote the entire races DNA? Protheans are made out to be the only advanced civilization of their time, so only they would be affected by it. They aren't just harvested organics like the enemies in ME3, because they have their own ships and their own base.
Arian Dynas wrote...
If I had to try and make Thanix missles make sense, I would say Thanix missles might work something like;
Parts:
- Mass Effect core, designed to superaccelerate both the missile and it's contents
- Metallic core, designed to render down into liquid upon impact with the target and then spray violently outward from the impact site.
- Warhead, designed to cause a small localized explosion, both on the outside of the missile, as with conventional missiles, while also detonating a charge in the metallic core to liquidize and superheat the metal, as well as rupturing the metallic core, causing the spary
I don't know about you guys, but personally, I could buy that, though I could be talking entirely out of my ass, not being a literal rocket scientist or ballistics expert.
Rifneno wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
If I had to try and make Thanix missles make sense, I would say Thanix missles might work something like;
Parts:
- Mass Effect core, designed to superaccelerate both the missile and it's contents
- Metallic core, designed to render down into liquid upon impact with the target and then spray violently outward from the impact site.
- Warhead, designed to cause a small localized explosion, both on the outside of the missile, as with conventional missiles, while also detonating a charge in the metallic core to liquidize and superheat the metal, as well as rupturing the metallic core, causing the spary
I don't know about you guys, but personally, I could buy that, though I could be talking entirely out of my ass, not being a literal rocket scientist or ballistics expert.
It might work, except we see the Thanix missiles and they're definitely not going at extreme speed.
HellishFiend wrote...
estebanus wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
estebanus wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...
Are you saying... that WE are the majority?!
dear god...
I always suspected that, to be honest. If the results are like that over there at HtL, its likely even more skewed towards IT over here.
I guess it's true that the disgruntled people always voice their opnions louder than the (in this case, partly) content people...
Kinda makes you wonder how many people are lurking here and constantly reading our discussions and evidence, afraid to post because of the bullying by the disgruntled people.
WE LOVE YOU, LURKERS!
Nah, I'm actually pretty supportive of IT so that means we're all cool, right?Modifié par infinite_regress, 23 mai 2012 - 01:53 .
MegumiAzusa wrote...
As did I.byne wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
byne wrote...
-snip-
BTW, it got lost in how fast this thread moves but... trusting the Architect? Really?
Yeah, dont really know why, but I did trust him.
Rifneno wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
If I had to try and make Thanix missles make sense, I would say Thanix missles might work something like;
Parts:
- Mass Effect core, designed to superaccelerate both the missile and it's contents
- Metallic core, designed to render down into liquid upon impact with the target and then spray violently outward from the impact site.
- Warhead, designed to cause a small localized explosion, both on the outside of the missile, as with conventional missiles, while also detonating a charge in the metallic core to liquidize and superheat the metal, as well as rupturing the metallic core, causing the spary
I don't know about you guys, but personally, I could buy that, though I could be talking entirely out of my ass, not being a literal rocket scientist or ballistics expert.
It might work, except we see the Thanix missiles and they're definitely not going at extreme speed.
Even if the boy is real at first there is no reason why the Reapers aren't in contact with Shep but usually not strong, getting knocked out for a second could mean that for this time her mental barriers are also down.HellishFiend wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
In the prolog when Shep is tossed away by the beam and hit her head on the ground you can suddenly hear voices, which subsequently fade out again as Shep regains consciousness.
I was gonna dismiss it as just muffled people screaming, but the fact they fade out interests me. THe voices seems both robotic and organic...maybe Shepards mind screaming in agony?
It depends on whether or not you think the vent boy is real when you first see him playing in the garden. If you think he's already a hallucination at that point, then I'm not sure what those voices are.
If you think he was real at that point, the voices could be the reapers initially connecting with Shepard's mind now that they're in close proximity, and figuring out what angle to use. Being that he just saw that boy and how it made him feel, they figure that would be a good place to start.
Icinix wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
What if the Protheans actually completed the Crucible, and were tricked by Starbinger to pick synthesis, and rewrote the entire races DNA? Protheans are made out to be the only advanced civilization of their time, so only they would be affected by it. They aren't just harvested organics like the enemies in ME3, because they have their own ships and their own base.
Interesting - Javik goes into statis before the war ends. Who knows what else is going on elsewhere. He claims they never finished it, but does he really know?
Did he ever actually say, the Reapers destroyed it?
Interesting enough, the Citadel was the first thing to fall in the Prothean cycle - so with a depleted army the fact they were willing to try to dock the crucible with the citadel is interesting in itself.
I can't recall the convo with the Prothean VI - but was any more information shed about how Protheans handled the crucible / citadel situation in their cycle?
infinite_regress wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Kinda makes you wonder how many people are lurking here and constantly reading our discussions and evidence, afraid to post because of the bullying by the disgruntled people.
WE LOVE YOU, LURKERS!
First time posting, long time lurker. And yes, I am afraid of being bullied
Anyways, I wish I had something super insightful and awesome to say, but, damn, with the two threads and gagillion pages I can't compete. Just felt like I should actually say something rather than creep the thread.
Even better if it's a question, because its those that really get us thinking.
How about there are no Thanix Missiles?Arian Dynas wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
If I had to try and make Thanix missles make sense, I would say Thanix missles might work something like;
Parts:
- Mass Effect core, designed to superaccelerate both the missile and it's contents
- Metallic core, designed to render down into liquid upon impact with the target and then spray violently outward from the impact site.
- Warhead, designed to cause a small localized explosion, both on the outside of the missile, as with conventional missiles, while also detonating a charge in the metallic core to liquidize and superheat the metal, as well as rupturing the metallic core, causing the spary
I don't know about you guys, but personally, I could buy that, though I could be talking entirely out of my ass, not being a literal rocket scientist or ballistics expert.
It might work, except we see the Thanix missiles and they're definitely not going at extreme speed.
Beats me, perhaps they only accelerate the metal itself?
dmay7 wrote...
The VI said how there was splinter group who argued for them to Control the Reapers instead of Destroy them, and said they turned out to be Indoctrinated.
Yet another piece of evidence supporting Destroy is the correct decision.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
How about there are no Thanix Missiles?Arian Dynas wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
If I had to try and make Thanix missles make sense, I would say Thanix missles might work something like;
Parts:
- Mass Effect core, designed to superaccelerate both the missile and it's contents
- Metallic core, designed to render down into liquid upon impact with the target and then spray violently outward from the impact site.
- Warhead, designed to cause a small localized explosion, both on the outside of the missile, as with conventional missiles, while also detonating a charge in the metallic core to liquidize and superheat the metal, as well as rupturing the metallic core, causing the spary
I don't know about you guys, but personally, I could buy that, though I could be talking entirely out of my ass, not being a literal rocket scientist or ballistics expert.
It might work, except we see the Thanix missiles and they're definitely not going at extreme speed.
Beats me, perhaps they only accelerate the metal itself?
HellishFiend wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
The VI said how there was splinter group who argued for them to Control the Reapers instead of Destroy them, and said they turned out to be Indoctrinated.
Yet another piece of evidence supporting Destroy is the correct decision.
I agree. I also only trust what the VI says when you talk to it on Thessia. I dont trust anything it says at Cronos station, since we have no way of knowing how badly it was tampered with.
drives me nuts It gives hope so even if it turns out not to be "true" (unless i missed a confirmation) i will jut say that this is what the ending is gives hope (:
waldstr18 wrote...
i think the breath scene will also be at the end of the ending dlc.
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
I think they could/should have made it a little more obvious somehow (if it's true). It would've generated less backlash. Something simple like the Catalyst's eyes flashing yellow at sometime, or the nightmare whispers persisting in the background when you walk towards Control or Synthesis.
Chief Commander wrote...
Probably mentioned ages ago, but what do you make of this?
www.holdtheline.com/threads/do-you-believe-in-the-indoctrination-theory.1909/
Could we at last get our ending we want?
MegumiAzusa wrote...
It even seems he was gonna be a powerful one like Samara and Jack as he has sounds there he does the push back thingy.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
If we go with that, my guess is BW didn't the RGB choice to resemble Paragon/Renegade but the signature colors (as stated in my last post).
dmay7 wrote...
What if the Protheans actually completed the Crucible, and were tricked by Starbinger to pick synthesis, and rewrote the entire races DNA? Protheans are made out to be the only advanced civilization of their time, so only they would be affected by it. They aren't just harvested organics like the enemies in ME3, because they have their own ships and their own base.
byne wrote...
Waldstr is anti-IT, so no, thats not what he's hoping
RaidShock wrote...
I just hope they aren't deciding to implement it now. I tend to believe IT is not what the developers' had in mind, but if it was and was just somewhat sloppily implemented, I can be okay with that. As long as IT was always the plan. If they are retconning and implementing IT now, that just cheapens everything in my opinion.
Rifneno wrote...
Sloppy how? Like they didn't write "indoctrination!" on a sign and beat you unconscious with it? Because that's pretty much the only thing they could've done to make it more obvious.
Icinix wrote...
Ohh, what if there was a fail safe that when its security protocols were removed it gave a false answer as an additional level of security....SPECULATIOINS!
HellishFiend wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
The VI said how there was splinter group who argued for them to Control the Reapers instead of Destroy them, and said they turned out to be Indoctrinated.
Yet another piece of evidence supporting Destroy is the correct decision.
I agree. I also only trust what the VI says when you talk to it on Thessia. I dont trust anything it says at Cronos station, since we have no way of knowing how badly it was tampered with.
Destructorlio wrote...
It's interesting- surprising that they didn't ask this in here. Anyway, shows that they are thinking about it, at least, one way or the other. Like, why poll on it if was unreal?
Modifié par HellishFiend, 23 mai 2012 - 02:05 .
Destructorlio wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
I think they could/should have made it a little more obvious somehow (if it's true). It would've generated less backlash. Something simple like the Catalyst's eyes flashing yellow at sometime, or the nightmare whispers persisting in the background when you walk towards Control or Synthesis.
Loads of people say this, but it's ridiculous. The breath scene is obvious. It's a clear message. The catalyst calls itself a Reaper- you need MORE proof that it's evil. You hear the dream whispers just before the appearance of TIM. You need MORE whispers, just to double-check that you were paying attention? Honestly, if you're not convince yet, are you sure one or two extra clues would convince you?
dmay7 wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
What if the Protheans actually completed the Crucible, and were tricked by Starbinger to pick synthesis, and rewrote the entire races DNA? Protheans are made out to be the only advanced civilization of their time, so only they would be affected by it. They aren't just harvested organics like the enemies in ME3, because they have their own ships and their own base.
That only works in a literalist ending because:
-The crucible doesn't have three colour coded options
-You can't actually rewrite everything's DNA, that's silly
But the intention of what you said could be true, some of the protheans were indoctrinated to believe in "Synthesis", or whatever the Reapers called it for them, like Saren.
Well what if Shepard actually did board the citadel, but during his journey the indoctrination conjured the illusions of Anderson and TIM, they weren't actually their, and Shepard was just doing a Fight Clubisq conversation (Shooting Anderson is really him shooting himself). When Shepard kills TIM, Starbinger then deals the final hand.
I know that doesn't explain how Shepard ends up back in London for his ever-so-special breathe, but I'm just speculatating.
ANd yes, you may all use Starbinger. Spread the meme away, my friends
I would support this too, except for, like you said, the breath scene
Maybe he was returned to the conduit, which brought him back to London.
WELCOME! And don't worry. I've been in here for over a month and rarely say anything insightful and never anything awesome. Its a good place to ask questions. There are alot of really analytical minds in here.infinite_regress wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
estebanus wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
estebanus wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
I'm surprised by the results of that poll. I had assumed that most of the folks over at Hold the Line were the ones insisting that the ending be changed entirely, indicating that they thought it was face value. Instead, the majority believe IT? Interesting...
Are you saying... that WE are the majority?!
dear god...
I always suspected that, to be honest. If the results are like that over there at HtL, its likely even more skewed towards IT over here.
I guess it's true that the disgruntled people always voice their opnions louder than the (in this case, partly) content people...
Kinda makes you wonder how many people are lurking here and constantly reading our discussions and evidence, afraid to post because of the bullying by the disgruntled people.
WE LOVE YOU, LURKERS!
First time posting, long time lurker. And yes, I am afraid of being bullied
Anyways, I wish I had something super insightful and awesome to say, but, damn, with the two threads and gagillion pages I can't compete. Just felt like I should actually say something rather than creep the thread.
Edit: I just got home from class, where the current page was only at 181 soo yeah, sorry for the off topic!
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