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[FFZero]

lex0r11 wrote...




Some of you need to just take a break and come back in 24. Helps a lot.

Or play MP.

It’s rather cathartic....until you’re running away from banshee’s in blind panic.

[masster blaster]

[quote]L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]FFZero wrote...

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...



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How bad was the panel anyway?
I'd have been tempted to shout out questions just to see if it would trigger some vestige of emotional response
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That’s what I’m going to do at gamescom next month if Bioware are there.


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Someone has to finally ask the correct questions. Ones that cannot be turned down with ambiguous answers.[/quote]



Paxxton. Next thing you know some will ask.

"What is the Normandy made out of"

or

" What is the price of gas"
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Bioware: "Speculation for everyone"[/quote]

Worse  Bioware says "Every theory is wrong and screw Shepard."

Hope not but let's just hope not.

[smokingotter1]

FFZero wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

*snip*


Some of you need to just take a break and come back in 24. Helps a lot.

Or play MP.

It’s rather cathartic....until you’re running away from banshee’s in blind panic.

I prefer to:

Panic

& 

Abandon all hope

[Nightingale]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...
The Only good thing to come out of it is the fact that they pretty much confirmed Omega DLC in the Far future, but we all predicted that would either be DLC or part of the main game.

Wait, where'd you hear that it was pretty much confirmed? Can't see how it relates to IT, but I've been wanting Aria Retake Omega DLC from the start and it'd be cool to learn about the Adjutants' origins.

[masster blaster]

DrTsoni wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...
The Only good thing to come out of it is the fact that they pretty much confirmed Omega DLC in the Far future, but we all predicted that would either be DLC or part of the main game.

Wait, where'd you hear that it was pretty much confirmed? Can't see how it relates to IT, but I've been wanting Aria Retake Omega DLC from the start and it'd be cool to learn about the Adjutants' origins.

I give it ten years then they will release Retake omega.

[lex0r11]

smokingotter1 wrote...

FFZero wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

*snip*


Some of you need to just take a break and come back in 24. Helps a lot.

Or play MP.

It’s rather cathartic....until you’re running away from banshee’s in blind panic.

I prefer to:

Panic

& 

Abandon all hope

So be it.

[smokingotter1]

Warms my heart.<3

[masster blaster]

lex0r11 wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

FFZero wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

*snip*


Some of you need to just take a break and come back in 24. Helps a lot.

Or play MP.

It’s rather cathartic....until you’re running away from banshee’s in blind panic.

I prefer to:

Panic

& 

Abandon all hope

So be it.

REPENT!REPENT! THE END IS -  [ Wrex Headbuts a winy Krogan]Get a hold of yourselfs soldier.  This isn't a Salarian boot camp.I want us back on topic in 5.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:39 .

[L0NEWOLF25]

DrTsoni wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...
The Only good thing to come out of it is the fact that they pretty much confirmed Omega DLC in the Far future, but we all predicted that would either be DLC or part of the main game.

Wait, where'd you hear that it was pretty much confirmed? Can't see how it relates to IT, but I've been wanting Aria Retake Omega DLC from the start and it'd be cool to learn about the Adjutants' origins.

Priestly, "Yeah, the three Mass Effect trades that are out already each really give you information about the Mass Effect Universe.

The third one was all about Aria T'Loak, and anyone who like Mass Effect 3 and wants to know what's coming next... might want to pick that book up."

[masster blaster]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...
The Only good thing to come out of it is the fact that they pretty much confirmed Omega DLC in the Far future, but we all predicted that would either be DLC or part of the main game.

Wait, where'd you hear that it was pretty much confirmed? Can't see how it relates to IT, but I've been wanting Aria Retake Omega DLC from the start and it'd be cool to learn about the Adjutants' origins.

Priestly, "Yeah, the three Mass Effect trades that are out already each really give you information about the Mass Effect Universe.

The third one was all about Aria T'Loak, and anyone who like Mass Effect 3 and wants to know what's coming next... might want to pick that book up."

So ME3 was about Aria, and not saving the GALAXT, and TRILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Okay. I can live with that.<_<

[Nightingale]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...
The Only good thing to come out of it is the fact that they pretty much confirmed Omega DLC in the Far future, but we all predicted that would either be DLC or part of the main game.

Wait, where'd you hear that it was pretty much confirmed? Can't see how it relates to IT, but I've been wanting Aria Retake Omega DLC from the start and it'd be cool to learn about the Adjutants' origins.

Priestly, "Yeah, the three Mass Effect trades that are out already each really give you information about the Mass Effect Universe.

The third one was all about Aria T'Loak, and anyone who like Mass Effect 3 and wants to know what's coming next... might want to pick that book up."

Ahh, I somehow...overlooked that. Thanks. At least I have something to look forward to.

[UltimateTobi]

Alright, I am back from slaughtering Banshees.

Yes TSA, as for where is Shepard alone. That was what I was getting on. It's damn similar.

Edit: I am off to bed now though. So, keep away that fighting and panicing. IT isn't dead as long as BioWare doesn't demand it.
So, keep the speculations instead.
If I wake up tomorrow, I want to see a couple 50 pages I will not bother to read, but happy to look at. (Just kidding, I try to read them.)

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:45 .

[masster blaster]

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]Trollgunner wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

Guys remember when Shepard falls on all fours the first time. When
Shepard wakes up from Harbys beam. Well look at the part when Shepard is
with the Catalyst. Shepard is on all fours like the first time Shepard fallen to the ground.

Then the Catalyst says wake up.

Now
where never considered the fact, that the Indoctrination attempt was
in fact when Shepard goes up to the Citadel, but we never guessed that it
could have happened right when Shepard falls to the ground on all
fours.

And if this theory is correct about Shepard walking around on Earth, then here is the missing link we did not see could happen.
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Now that's interesting. What if Shepard is walking near the conduit? . . .That's brilliant! Just think, if he jump fro synthesis ending,  that means he jumps into conduit and then becomes a fuel for future reaper core. Still need thinking for control and destroy, but now thanks for MegumiAzusa, we got great combined pic!

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Yes it dos.

If you think for a momunte Shepard falls on all fours the first time Shepard wakes up., but when we are lifted up to teh Catalyst Chambers. Shepard is on all fours again, but this Time the Catalyst say wake up. As if Shepard was dreaming, of being Indoctrinated. But now this is the real deal.

When you look at the same exact similarites of the Conduit and the Chambers, you can see similarites between the scenes. Now if Shepard is on Earth as we think Shepard is, then this is good evidece, that the choices we make is actually the Harby shoting his laser at Shepard, and if you chose wrong. Your dad. If you pick right you live.


Any thoughts ladys, and gents.

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[masster blaster]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Here is another thing that bothers me. Reaper lasers whenever they hit the ground always have that black oily effect which you also see in the destroy ending.

Might be nitpicking.

speculations anyone?

[masster blaster]

GreenFlag wrote...

Ok, again Mako






but I think, it's optical illusion




original

Speculations?

[masster blaster]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Ok now I have moar thoughts. I think the ending of ME3 BW played fast and loose with time. My thoughts is the breathe scene happens before we see the crucible fire which means if I'm right there is a lot missing inbetween the crucible firing and Shepard breathing.

BW is not going to change the endings, but they will change what is between those two time periods with DLC.

1. Breath scene
2. ?????????? (this is the details that Star Gazer was talking about, how did Shepard activate the crucible?)
3. Crucible firing
4. Thanks from Bioware



If I'm right we'll be seeing some MP Citadel DLC coming in the next few months followed by battle for the citadel DLC.

This is 100 speculation, but my otter senses are tingling.

HummI still think that the Stargzer is not of any of the 4 endings, when he, or she is refuring to Shepard about how Shepard activated the crucible.

[Simon_Says]

FFZero wrote...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, where’s all this hostility come from?

Also
Masster Blaster, as....umm...admirable as your idea to try and unite IT
and literal interpretation is, it is also bats**t bonkers.

You do realise that IT and literal interpretation are complete polar opposites right?

Actually, no they aren't. Let me quote something I posted earlier today but everyone seemed to skip over.

Simon_Says wrote...

We got stickied? Awesome! If it wasn't a mistake then it definitely means we're doing something right.

RavenEyry wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

"Literalist" is just such an inaccurate term for most people, in fact for everyone who happen not to agree with IT. I think "non-ITer" is better but then it gives the impression that everything revolves IT or that most people even think it's a good idea. Any thoughts on a new name?

What's wrong with 'literalist'?

I'm actually starting to think it's a good idea to rethink the labels. The thing about IT is that it's actually a very specific interpretation when you boil it down: The end sequence of the game centers around an indoctrination attempt on Shepard. The problem is that the antithesis statement: the end sequence of the game does not center around an indoctrination attempt, is an incredibly broad and varied set of potential interpretations of which a 'literal' interpretation, i.e. that "what we saw is exactly what happened and there is no further subtext", is only one of them.

That bit about subtext is important. There are plenty of 'literalists' who accept the events depicted in the end sequence to have happened in meatspace but attempt to add their own subtext to expain and justify it. Like that one bloke who wrote that overly-long article arguing that the Catalyst was a shackled AI/VI compelled by its programming to prevent hard-takeoff singularities from wiping out organic life. Or even my own Selfish Meme Theory which is pseudo-literalist in that argues that what the Starbrat said could have been 'genuinely non-malicious' from a certain (twisted) point of view. These are 'literalist' interpretations, but ones that still involved adding subtext to the scenes presented.

The interpretation that there is no subtext to the ending of Mass Effect 3, which often involves the classic "Bioware is lazy" argument, then should not be called literalism but something else. The best term I can offer in its stead is 'reductionist', since that interpretation involves reducing the ending down to simply what was presented and assuming there is no deeper meaning to be found.

TLDR: If we call T 'theorist' and L 'literalist', then it's simply not the case that L == anti-T or vice-versa.

[masster blaster]

smokingotter1 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well if you consider the choices, destroy is the only one that fits that bill.

Does it really?, I wonder, as I've said before, each of the options is what the different Shepards(players) WANT, very few pick reject, but is that not the point of indoctrintion, to show the victim what they WANT to see, in which case even destroy can be a deception, Bioware knows most will have opted for destroy, after all it's what all Shepard's set out to do, destroy the reapers, so basically the destroy option is the biggest honeypot trap, all three are traps in my opinion, but destroy now stands out as the biggest to me.

I agree. I believe that the decision chamber is the overlay of the conduit run. Same place but happening in slow motion.

Destroy has Shepard moving towards Harbinger to be killed, Harbinger flubs it, shoots the MAKO as Shepard shoots the "tube." Explosion-Shepard wakes up

Refuse has Shepard standing out in the open picking his nose as Harbinger beams moves in for the kill.

Basically the decision chamber is dream/reality in conflict, the minute Shepard starts to shoot at the tube the sound of his gun changes to predator, and the gun image changes a couple of seconds later.

Whats really happening in the decision chamber:

Simularites any one, about the Catalyst's chambers and the Conduit run look like twins.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:56 .

[Dam0299]

Destroy is located on the right side of the Synthesis beam, Harbinger is located on the right side of the Citadel beam. You have to walk up a ramp (or get closer to Harbinger) and shoot him in the face?.

[MetioricTest]

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well if you consider the choices, destroy is the only one that fits that bill.

Does it really?, I wonder, as I've said before, each of the options is what the different Shepards(players) WANT, very few pick reject, but is that not the point of indoctrintion, to show the victim what they WANT to see, in which case even destroy can be a deception, Bioware knows most will have opted for destroy, after all it's what all Shepard's set out to do, destroy the reapers, so basically the destroy option is the biggest honeypot trap, all three are traps in my opinion, but destroy now stands out as the biggest to me.

I agree. I believe that the decision chamber is the overlay of the conduit run. Same place but happening in slow motion.

Destroy has Shepard moving towards Harbinger to be killed, Harbinger flubs it, shoots the MAKO as Shepard shoots the "tube." Explosion-Shepard wakes up

Refuse has Shepard standing out in the open picking his nose as Harbinger beams moves in for the kill.

Basically the decision chamber is dream/reality in conflict, the minute Shepard starts to shoot at the tube the sound of his gun changes to predator, and the gun image changes a couple of seconds later.

Whats really happening in the decision chamber:

Simularites any one, about teh Catalyst's chambers and the Conduit run look like twins.

So walking to Synthesis takes you to the Citadel? wut?

[Simon_Says]

Dam0299 wrote...

Destroy is located on the right side of the Synthesis beam, Harbinger is located on the right side of the Citadel beam. You have to walk up a ramp (or get closer to Harbinger) and shoot him in the face?.

Do the ramps in the crucible coincide with the ashley/kaiden corpses in the beam shuffle?

[masster blaster]

MetioricTest wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well if you consider the choices, destroy is the only one that fits that bill.

Does it really?, I wonder, as I've said before, each of the options is what the different Shepards(players) WANT, very few pick reject, but is that not the point of indoctrintion, to show the victim what they WANT to see, in which case even destroy can be a deception, Bioware knows most will have opted for destroy, after all it's what all Shepard's set out to do, destroy the reapers, so basically the destroy option is the biggest honeypot trap, all three are traps in my opinion, but destroy now stands out as the biggest to me.

I agree. I believe that the decision chamber is the overlay of the conduit run. Same place but happening in slow motion.

Destroy has Shepard moving towards Harbinger to be killed, Harbinger flubs it, shoots the MAKO as Shepard shoots the "tube." Explosion-Shepard wakes up

Refuse has Shepard standing out in the open picking his nose as Harbinger beams moves in for the kill.

Basically the decision chamber is dream/reality in conflict, the minute Shepard starts to shoot at the tube the sound of his gun changes to predator, and the gun image changes a couple of seconds later.

Whats really happening in the decision chamber:

Simularites any one, about teh Catalyst's chambers and the Conduit run look like twins.

So walking to Synthesis takes you to the Citadel? wut?

opps I meant to say that it's not when Shepard wakes up Indoctrination starts but when Sheaprd falls to his/her knees the first time.

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

Quackjack wrote...

God, what has IT become? It used to be awesome now it's MP chat and NO U SUCK NO U

I suspect we'll have died out before summer ends.

Estebanus.

SHUT THE **** UP.

Yes, I get that you're feeling discouraged. We all are.

But the fact is, IT is right now got more things going for it than we even did before.

There's all the weirdness in the EC, there's the statements we HAVE gotten (Aspects of ME3 are meant to have non literal interpretations, so says Tully Auckland.) we've got the pre release statements (We want the player to feel what Shepard does)

And we simply have logic on our side. As a writer I can state beyond a shadow of a doubt, YOU DO NOT SOMEHOW MANAGE TO COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR OWN STORY in the last five minutes.

So buck up and start getting positive. If you guys keep this up I'll be half tempted to get Chris Priestly to close this thread again so we can get started on Mark III, seeing as you lot get a bit more optimistic when we've got a fresh thread going.

I know it sounds like I'm dressing down Estebanus, but the same goes for EVERYONE.

Am I understood?

[Iconoclaste]

Simon_Says wrote...

 *snip*snip*

I’ve no idea why organic and synthetics should inevitably come into conflict however. They’re alien to each other, yes. They think differently and desire different things, yes. If human history is anything to go by, conflict will arise at some point for these reasons but total wipeout of one or both sides is not guaranteed. Hell it’s not even likely. It seems to me more likely that such different sides would lay down arms and cooperate if only to study each other in order to better understand and improve themselves. It’s not as diversity hasn’t actually benefitted the world in the long run. The Catalyst says the synthetic apocalypse threatens the galaxy and yet there’s no reason to actually believe this is the case. Bah.

Anyway this is just me throwing speculation at the wall to find out what sticks. What do you guys think about this?

Quite refreshing.

I think what you explain about a collective been biased by common weaknesses or relying on false premises illustrates well why the Reapers cannot be seen in any "good" way by organics. The problem is that Shepard is not given other choices than what we got.

I agree with Masster Blasster, by the way, that somehow, creationists and evolutionist have common grounds, but in a very remote past, at the very beginning of the Universe, according to current state of knowledge. It is not impossible to try to "merge" IT with the more "literalist" approach, and I've read a few proposals here that could support that. Mainly, the fact that the better the various options are defined, the better the chances to "convince" Shepard. DJ Bare seemed to agree that all options now looked like "perfect traps", even "destroy", and someone else also wrote that all endings supported some kind of  "perfect illusion".

I read that there are many different "starting points" to the "dream state", but why was there almost no talk about the moment Shepard goes through the ceiling, after he collapses in the decision chamber? In my view, this would be a good starting point in the "reconciliation attempt" by Masster Blasster : the fade to white, Shepard "waking up" from a near-death coma, etc.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:01 .

[Dam0299]

Simon_Says wrote...

Dam0299 wrote...

Destroy is located on the right side of the Synthesis beam, Harbinger is located on the right side of the Citadel beam. You have to walk up a ramp (or get closer to Harbinger) and shoot him in the face?.

Do the ramps in the crucible coincide with the ashley/kaiden corpses in the beam shuffle?

Potentially, I am simply brainstorming ideas here.