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[Simon_Says]

I must you.

In other news I'm writing a response to your reply in the Selfish Meme thread Arian.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:36 .

[Iconoclaste]

masster blaster wrote...

GreenFlag wrote...

Ok, again Mako






but I think, it's optical illusion




original

Speculations?

So anyone think this is legit?

In the second picture, what can be seen was deemed by some to be a part of the structure around the "destroy" tube.

[Uncle Jo]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Honestly, I find myself stuck trying to rationalize Shepard calling the Normandy down right in front of Harbinger.

Yes, Harbinger not sinking the Normandy right there and then is odd, even with Harbinger literally standing on his own main guns. The Normandy being close enough to do such an evac so quickly is also odd. But Shepard calling his ship directly into the line of fire like that to evac one wounded squadmate?

In my case, that squadmate was James Vega. He's very much emotionally in this thing to the bitter end. He was carried off by a silent Javik, who could easily have stepped back off the Normandy after chucking Vega into the airlock. Javik. The guy who most wants to kill Reapers. He flies away without a word. It made no sense.

........unless.................

The dreams seem to accentuate every person who has ever died under Shepard's command, except of course for Jenkins and possibly the whole of the Akuze platoon. I recall one Paragon conversation choice having Shepard state that he's getting tired of death. I would speculate that the dreams are trying to push Shepard towards a state of mind where "submission is preferable to extinction" as Saren put it. Shepard, under the intense pressure of the conduit run, simply freaks out and makes a dumb, out of character call to show us where his psyche has moved to.

He doesn't want to lose anyone else.

And then what does the Catalyst use to keep Shepard from choosing Destroy? The threat of losing EDI and the Geth. Control and Synthesis are both presented as minimal loss choices.

..........ehhh. It's a long shot, I know.

At first I thought that the Normandy flying without being attacked was a plotarmor. Now, I assume that Harby deliberatlely let the Normandy escape. The slow-motion face-to-face is unlikely just made to be cool. It would be fixing an incoherence with another one.
Even more when you know that he didn't hesitate to zap your squademates if you're low on EMS. Also why the Normandy when a Kodiak should have been enough ?

Agreed. Destroying the Normandy (and EDI) would not allow the brat to use her as leverage in Destroy (even more if you killed the Geth). Letting the Normandy escape doesn't put Shep in berserk mode and make her more receptive for an eventual indoctrination.
Not needed if low EMS since the Reapers aren't interested in indoctrinating you anymore.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:39 .

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Well on another forum I used to frequent I became the unofficial Leader of the Opposition. My job was to be generally opposing. Arian, you've just made yourself a challenge to be overcome.

I must break you.

Simon, you've been trying to break me from day 1.

I am a paladin, by definition I only bend in as much as I snap back. 

Also, forgive me if I read your last line as Drago from Rocky IV. I had to.

*snip*

Shall I locate that lovely discussion we had about particle physics. >: )

Which one was that? I forget.

Also, will I be oblidged to slur my way through a speech about how we all can change then? *chomps cigar*

[D.Sharrah]

Awwwww...what happened to the "sticky'? Go away for most of the day to spend time with the family...and they take the best weekend just for the heck of it gift away!? I will not lie, I am a little disappointed.

Also, was anyone surprised that there did not seem to be much discussion about the "speculations" (ie IT or anythign else) during the panel at CC?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I know someone who asked me after his first playthrough yesterday... "Is Shepard indoctrinated?" No this guy has not been up on any of this IT stuff. I had to break it to him that "no Shepard is not indoctrinated. It's just really really bad writing at the end. So bad that your brain is looking for anything that can remotely make any sense out of it. Unfortunately BioWare can't even get their story straight as to what happens.

"Some of the moments are so bad they look like they're out of and old 1950s Ed Wood movie. Take Shepard's wardrobe change after the Laser Blast. You had that Inferno Armor on right? Now it's just charred N7 armor. Who changed it? Did Harbinger send the husks out to do that for you? Or was that scene just shot on a different day and they forgot what you were wearing? Then there was that gun that never ran out of bullets. The last time I saw a gun like that was that submachine gun Clint Eastwood used in 'Where Eagles Dare'."

No your brain has to try to make sense out of it. So it comes up with this way of letting Walters and Hudson off the hook with this stupid Indoctrination Theory. I prefer a different theory that's based on fact: The Can't Write Endings For **** Theory. But face it, BioWare has always been great at writing characters and not so great on writing plot and story.

[Uncle Jo]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Bad writing

Thanks for enlightening me. I feel much better, now that I know the truth.

[masster blaster]

Actually it's 40% that believe in IT, 40% that don't like IT and view Bioware as bad writing with the endings, and 10% who just liked EC for what ever reason.

[masster blaster]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Bad writing

Thanks for enlightening me. I feel much better, now that I know the truth.

Happy to help  lol

That was sarcasum you know.

[CoolioThane]

This is literally the only response anti-ITers have? Bad writing this, bad writing that.

And WE are clutching at straws?

lol

[Simon_Says]

I'll just drop this again in the case that we're gonna experience another wave of anti-IT griefing.

[Paultheoctopus]

Yea i honestly think that the whole normandy landing scene was terribly done, and just bad writing.

[CoolioThane]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actually it's 40% that believe in IT, 40% that don't like IT and view Bioware as bad writing with the endings, and 10% who just liked EC for what ever reason.

yeaah well remember way back then when it was like 78% or sumsh** that believed/preferred IT? those days are loooong gone now, buddy

Go away with your condescension please. If you aren't going to be constructive, please leave.

And you're calling us girls? The one with the my little ****ing pony **** in the signature...Christ

Modifié par CoolioThane, 16 juillet 2012 - 02:58 .

[PhoenixAeon]

We will know when ME4 comes out. I still want them to run with IT. Its better than what we have now.

[Uncle Jo]

CoolioThane wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actually it's 40% that believe in IT, 40% that don't like IT and view Bioware as bad writing with the endings, and 10% who just liked EC for what ever reason.

yeaah well remember way back then when it was like 78% or sumsh** that believed/preferred IT? those days are loooong gone now, buddy

Go away with your condescension please. If you aren't going to be constructive, please leave.

He has the right post here. Don't start wars, the first thread got locked down because of this. If you don't like what he posts, simply don't answer.

[Simon_Says]

CoolioThane wrote...

And you're calling us girls? The one with the my little ****ing pony **** in the signature...Christ

Oi, restrain yourself. I'm a brony too y'know!

[D.Sharrah]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Awwwww...what happened to the "sticky'? Go away for most of the day to spend time with the family...and they take the best weekend just for the heck of it gift away!? I will not lie, I am a little disappointed.

Also, was anyone surprised that there did not seem to be much discussion about the "speculations" (ie IT or anythign else) during the panel at CC?

not really surprised actually. For alot of ppl outside of this thread IT is officially dead

As to the bolded...I did say IT or anything else (even if there was a slight typo there).  I guess I was hoping for more of an open discussion about the game.  From what I saw of the coverage of the panel, it seemed like there was a lot of specifically directed discussion.  Not that the discourse was bad...I am just hoping that at some point we get the "ok, here is what we intended moment"...

And lastly, for a theory to truly die - it most be disproven.  And there is nothing that we have seen or heard (in game or out of game) that does this.  IT lives on.  

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well if you consider the choices, destroy is the only one that fits that bill.

Does it really?, I wonder, as I've said before, each of the options is what the different Shepards(players) WANT, very few pick reject, but is that not the point of indoctrintion, to show the victim what they WANT to see, in which case even destroy can be a deception, Bioware knows most will have opted for destroy, after all it's what all Shepard's set out to do, destroy the reapers, so basically the destroy option is the biggest honeypot trap, all three are traps in my opinion, but destroy now stands out as the biggest to me.

I agree. I believe that the decision chamber is the overlay of the conduit run. Same place but happening in slow motion.

Destroy has Shepard moving towards Harbinger to be killed, Harbinger flubs it, shoots the MAKO as Shepard shoots the "tube." Explosion-Shepard wakes up

Refuse has Shepard standing out in the open picking his nose as Harbinger beams moves in for the kill.

Basically the decision chamber is dream/reality in conflict, the minute Shepard starts to shoot at the tube the sound of his gun changes to predator, and the gun image changes a couple of seconds later.

Whats really happening in the decision chamber:

Simularites any one, about the Catalyst's chambers and the Conduit run look like twins.

read this please.

[alienatedflea]

IT is dead...get over it