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[Simon_Says]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Could it be the troop transport? Sorry, I don't know what it's called.

If it's not a Mako but still some kind of vehicle it's been speculated that it could be one of those Alliance Transports without the "hunch" on it's back. it's the only other thing aside from (i think) the Hammerhead that has those shapes on it's topside.

Honestly not 100% that it's a vehicle, but don't know what else it could be.

"What you got for me out there Joey Ray?"
"We got Terran for sure, I don't know about the rest."

Basically, whatever it is I'm pretty sure it's not Citadel tech.

[BansheeOwnage]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...
Maybe it was bad writing  lmao JK GUYS dont take it seriously this time.
I hope Bioware releases the ACTUAL ending at some point.
We need our boss battle with Harbinger already!

HUMAN. THIS THREAD HAS THE ATTENTION OF THOSE INFINITELY YOUR GREATER. THAT WHICH YOU KNOW AS BIOWARE ARE YOUR SALVATION THROUGH IT. I AM ASUMING DIRECT CONTROL OF BIOWARE. WE FIGHT AS ONE!

[Turbo_J]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only other way is if there's a lot of things happening off screen we don't see (like Shepard somehow getting on a shuttle and outrunning the blast) that they probably could've just added in EC but didn't.

Other than that the only "solid" explanation is that there was no explosion/Shepard never left Earth etc.

There was obviously an explosion given the state Shepard is in during the breath scene. We just haven't seen what really caused it. I think he shot some power source or an actual Indoctrination device at the site in London.

I think we'll know eventally, it's just hard to say if the reveal will come by the story picking up at that point - Shep being evaced to a Med facility, or via Codex entry in ME4.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .

[Simon_Says]

YOUR SPECULATION THREADS WILL BECOME OUR LABORATORIES!

[BansheeOwnage]

Simon_Says wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Can someone tell me what is the significance of the "twinkling" of the Catalyst for the IT?

Either a conincdence of animation or a very, very subtle hint that it's losing its grip on Shepard.

No concrete support one way or the other.

OK, what about when the Catalyst says "Your belief is not Required"? It is the only time its voice sounds louder. Is it true you don't hear the background voice of male and female Shep, which always accompanies the Godbrat's voice?

Check it yourself, it does. The Shep voices don't disappear compeltely, but they're drowned out by the Starbrat's.
The twinkling occurs right before or during this line, btw.

-edit- WHOOP

Page 1911! Hell yeah!

[FreddyCast]

Simon_Says wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

Can someone tell me what is the significance of the "twinkling" of the Catalyst for the IT?

Either a conincdence of animation or a very, very subtle hint that it's losing its grip on Shepard.

No concrete support one way or the other.

OK, what about when the Catalyst says "Your belief is not Required"? It is the only time its voice sounds louder. Is it true you don't hear the background voice of male and female Shep, which always accompanies the Godbrat's voice?

Check it yourself, it does. The Shep voices don't disappear compeltely, but they're drowned out by the Starbrat's.
The twinkling occurs right before or during this line, btw.

-edit- WHOOP

I have seen it, and I do hear the background Shep voice, but it's realy faint. I just wanted a confirmation from someone else. However, I don't understand the importance of these "clues" and what they have to do with the IT, since many ITers bring it up.

[WandySilva]

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only plausible rebuttle I have heard is that he is still on the citadel. Despite taking a blast from harbinger, a bullet from marauder shields, having inexplicable bleeding from the torso (exactly where he shot anderson), having the destroy tube blow up in his face, followed by the explosion in the central citadel, the literalists i have talked to point to "shepard being a video game character and therefore can take more than a regular human". these are the same people who say that IT is far-fetched...

[Simon_Says]

@Freddy: Basically it's been suggested that it's a reaper, probably Harbinger, starting to break its cover since Shepard isn't playing along.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Turbo_J wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only other way is if there's a lot of things happening off screen we don't see (like Shepard somehow getting on a shuttle and outrunning the blast) that they probably could've just added in EC but didn't.

Other than that the only "solid" explanation is that there was no explosion/Shepard never left Earth etc.

There was obviously an explosion give the state Shepard is in during the breath scene. We just haven't seen what really caused it. I think he shot some power source or an actual Indoctrination device at the site in London.

I think we'll know eventally, it's just hard to say if the reveal will come by the story picking up at that point - Shep being evaced to a Med facility, or via Codex entry in ME4.

IMO they could never do an ME4 about Shepard's indoc. An expansion? Hell yes. But a sequel? They would effectively announce IT before ME4 came out, (to set up a premise for the story , make trailers etc.) which is a bad way of doing it. If IT is true, Bioware are good writers, and I would expect they would realize that it would be totally, totally lame to reveal IT like that.

[BansheeOwnage]

WandySilva wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only plausible rebuttle I have heard is that he is still on the citadel. Despite taking a blast from harbinger, a bullet from marauder shields, having inexplicable bleeding from the torso (exactly where he shot anderson), having the destroy tube blow up in his face, followed by the explosion in the central citadel, the literalists i have talked to point to "shepard being a video game character and therefore can take more than a regular human". these are the same people who say that IT is far-fetched...

Sorry I'm still waiting to hear the "plausible explanation" you mentioned.  

[Simon_Says]

WandySilva wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only plausible rebuttle I have heard is that he is still on the citadel. Despite taking a blast from harbinger, a bullet from marauder shields, having inexplicable bleeding from the torso (exactly where he shot anderson), having the destroy tube blow up in his face, followed by the explosion in the central citadel, the literalists i have talked to point to "shepard being a video game character and therefore can take more than a regular human". these are the same people who say that IT is far-fetched...

Strictly speaking since the EC changed the fact that the Citadel doesn't compeltely blow itself apart, Shepard being on the Citadel isn't impossible. Still highly unlikely, since the breath scene contains rubble that looks exactly like Earth rubble, with elements that resemble beam structure and an alliance vehicle. It's still impossible for Shepard to have been on the Citadel to activate the Crucible and then show up on Earth to wake up.

[BansheeOwnage]

Simon_Says wrote...

WandySilva wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only plausible rebuttle I have heard is that he is still on the citadel. Despite taking a blast from harbinger, a bullet from marauder shields, having inexplicable bleeding from the torso (exactly where he shot anderson), having the destroy tube blow up in his face, followed by the explosion in the central citadel, the literalists i have talked to point to "shepard being a video game character and therefore can take more than a regular human". these are the same people who say that IT is far-fetched...

Strictly speaking since the EC changed the fact that the Citadel doesn't compeltely blow itself apart, Shepard being on the Citadel isn't impossible. Still highly unlikely, since the breath scene contains rubble that looks exactly like Earth rubble, with elements that resemble beam structure and an alliance vehicle. It's still impossible for Shepard to have been on the Citadel to activate the Crucible and then show up on Earth to wake up.

 But doesn't the crucible still explode in destroy? That would kill Shepard no problem... Nothing else is even required.

[FreddyCast]

Simon_Says wrote...

@Freddy: Basically it's been suggested that it's a reaper, probably Harbinger, starting to break its cover since Shepard isn't playing along.

Well, those clues are not strong enough for me to include on part 3 of my vid series "Indoctrination Theory- ME3 Extended Cut DLC Analysis". I'm doing part 3 right now, but it's incomplete.
Check my vids.

If there is anything that I've missed, please tell me.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I guess we're going for page 2000? Let's do it!

I still think that even though this contradicts my last post the only thing that does make any sense is that the ending was a dream, well nightmare. Why is the reaper god a 7 year old? Seriously?

The real ending:

"Wake up!"
"Where am I?"
"Dr. I think she's waking up."
Dr: You're on the Normandy, Shepard. How are you feeling?"
S: Like the morning after shore leave. How long was I out?
Dr: 15 hrs. Your vitals look normal. Do you remember anything?
S: I saw. I don't know what I saw. Machines. The beacon. What happened to the beacon?

[Arian Dynas]

Simon_Says wrote...

WandySilva wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only plausible rebuttle I have heard is that he is still on the citadel. Despite taking a blast from harbinger, a bullet from marauder shields, having inexplicable bleeding from the torso (exactly where he shot anderson), having the destroy tube blow up in his face, followed by the explosion in the central citadel, the literalists i have talked to point to "shepard being a video game character and therefore can take more than a regular human". these are the same people who say that IT is far-fetched...

Strictly speaking since the EC changed the fact that the Citadel doesn't compeltely blow itself apart, Shepard being on the Citadel isn't impossible. Still highly unlikely, since the breath scene contains rubble that looks exactly like Earth rubble, with elements that resemble beam structure and an alliance vehicle. It's still impossible for Shepard to have been on the Citadel to activate the Crucible and then show up on Earth to wake up.

That, and last I checked, the Citadel still faces an explosion in the Destroy ending either way.

[GethPrimeMKII]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only other way is if there's a lot of things happening off screen we don't see (like Shepard somehow getting on a shuttle and outrunning the blast) that they probably could've just added in EC but didn't.

Other than that the only "solid" explanation is that there was no explosion/Shepard never left Earth etc.

There was obviously an explosion give the state Shepard is in during the breath scene. We just haven't seen what really caused it. I think he shot some power source or an actual Indoctrination device at the site in London.

I think we'll know eventally, it's just hard to say if the reveal will come by the story picking up at that point - Shep being evaced to a Med facility, or via Codex entry in ME4.

IMO they could never do an ME4 about Shepard's indoc. An expansion? Hell yes. But a sequel? They would effectively announce IT before ME4 came out, (to set up a premise for the story , make trailers etc.) which is a bad way of doing it. If IT is true, Bioware are good writers, and I would expect they would realize that it would be totally, totally lame to reveal IT like that.

Something much like the Dragon's Age Origins: Awakening expansion is the best way to do it. 

[Arian Dynas]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I guess we're going for page 2000? Let's do it!

I still think that even though this contradicts my last post the only thing that does make any sense is that the ending was a dream, well nightmare. Why is the reaper god a 7 year old? Seriously?

The real ending:

"Wake up!"
"Where am I?"
"Dr. I think she's waking up."
Dr: You're on the Normandy, Shepard. How are you feeling?"
S: Like the morning after shore leave. How long was I out?
Dr: 15 hrs. Your vitals look normal. Do you remember anything?
S: I saw. I don't know what I saw. Machines. The beacon. What happened to the beacon?

Sten: No.

[Arian Dynas]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Paultheoctopus wrote...

I have never heard a reasonable explanation outside of IT as to how shep survives. I also doubt i will ever hear one...

The only other way is if there's a lot of things happening off screen we don't see (like Shepard somehow getting on a shuttle and outrunning the blast) that they probably could've just added in EC but didn't.

Other than that the only "solid" explanation is that there was no explosion/Shepard never left Earth etc.

There was obviously an explosion give the state Shepard is in during the breath scene. We just haven't seen what really caused it. I think he shot some power source or an actual Indoctrination device at the site in London.

I think we'll know eventally, it's just hard to say if the reveal will come by the story picking up at that point - Shep being evaced to a Med facility, or via Codex entry in ME4.

IMO they could never do an ME4 about Shepard's indoc. An expansion? Hell yes. But a sequel? They would effectively announce IT before ME4 came out, (to set up a premise for the story , make trailers etc.) which is a bad way of doing it. If IT is true, Bioware are good writers, and I would expect they would realize that it would be totally, totally lame to reveal IT like that.

Something much like the Dragon's Age Origins: Awakening expansion is the best way to do it. 

I personally see a DLC featuring flashbacks as we try to figure out what happened that night. Sort of an Arrival to ME4.

Like this;

Mass Effect: Awakening - Two weeks. It's been two weeks since the Seige of Earth. Two long, hard weeks. 

They found you. Barely alive, your body torn and burned, your armor shredded, your mind nearly broken. In two weeks, the allied forces have been able to recover. The Crucible saved you in your darkest hour.

But while the front lines may have left you behind, the war is far from over.

Play as either Shepard or a new character, exploring the mystery of the Commander's disappearance! Has the war truly come to an end? Is this cycle doomed?

Has our greatest champion fallen? 

[Paultheoctopus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
 But doesn't the crucible still explode in destroy? That would kill Shepard no problem... Nothing else is even required.

yea there were some really good pics before showing the explosion on the citadel and where shepard would be. The rubble is definately earth or london concrete. Yea for those who say shep survives the dissent back to earth... Seriously?

[Simon_Says]

The Crucible is destroyed in the explosion? I need to check this. Cause if that happens, yeah. No way Shepard could survive that.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

I can't for the life of me find where the starkid says "your belief is not required" what was this a response to? Rejecting the control/synth/destroy options or before that?

[Iconoclaste]

Simon_Says wrote...

Strictly speaking since the EC changed the fact that the Citadel doesn't compeltely blow itself apart, Shepard being on the Citadel isn't impossible. Still highly unlikely, since the breath scene contains rubble that looks exactly like Earth rubble, with elements that resemble beam structure and an alliance vehicle. It's still impossible for Shepard to have been on the Citadel to activate the Crucible and then show up on Earth to wake up.

The EC just expanded on the Citadel not being blown up totally, but it could already be seen in the original endings. Just the "hinges" and the "ring" were damaged, but most of the "arms" were not, except for a few explosions here and there.

Shepard could have been "ejected" towards the arms by the 1st growing sphere of red "space magic", since it can be seen it the cutscene that it "pushes" material outwards, in space around the Citadel. If one looks closely, there are visibles "chunks" of material (ship debris?) been "pushed" by the red energy sphere, but there does not seem to be "heat" related to that. If Shepard has been "pushed" then he might as well be far enough from the 2nd explosion to not suffer too much from it. He could also have been shielded by debris "pushed" along with him, like pieces of the red tube's structure, that would have landed close to him, as shown in the breath scene.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:48 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Paultheoctopus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
 But doesn't the crucible still explode in destroy? That would kill Shepard no problem... Nothing else is even required.

yea there were some really good pics before showing the explosion on the citadel and where shepard would be. The rubble is definately earth or london concrete. Yea for those who say shep survives the dissent back to earth... Seriously?

I guess people prefer Shepard to have indoctrination/explosion/vacuum/re-entry/falling plot armour than a theory that explain all of that and so much more. People amaze me.

[Simon_Says]

Ask and ye shall receive.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:50 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I can't for the life of me find where the starkid says "your belief is not required" what was this a response to? Rejecting the control/synth/destroy options or before that?

"I don't belive you!"
"Your belief is not required."
Sorry I also forget exaclty what Shepard isn't believing, besides the kid in general.