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[Iconoclaste]

masster blaster wrote...

Breath scene is has to be on earth. No Concret any where on the citadel, and Shepard can die since Shepard has no helmet to protect his/her brain. Which was the only think that could declare Shepard dead if the Brain was not intact.

From the files, nowhere is "concrete" mentioned, only "rubble". The Citadel's broken bits can be "rubble" as much as anything else, on Thessia, in London, on Tuchanka, etc.

From the "Control" ending, we can see clearly that Shepard's head, just for that part, is made of more than just skin and bones.

But I won't start an argument now, I've read the previous pages and I can understand you people must be still under a little anger from the previous annoyances, so I'll leave you with a good-nite.

[Simon_Says]

Someone got a link to Gunslinger's screenshots to show Iconoclaste?

[Arian Dynas]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Except calculate the speed Shepard would be traveling at. How fast they'd impact something.

Yes, chunky salsa.

He was resurrected in ME2, that's enough to make a lot "possible". I'm not saying he's in top shape either.

That at least had some science and a bit of explanation behind it.

Your theory has... what, exactly?

[BleedingUranium]

Iconoclaste wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Breath scene is has to be on earth. No Concret any where on the citadel, and Shepard can die since Shepard has no helmet to protect his/her brain. Which was the only think that could declare Shepard dead if the Brain was not intact.

From the files, nowhere is "concrete" mentioned, only "rubble". The Citadel's broken bits can be "rubble" as much as anything else, on Thessia, in London, on Tuchanka, etc.

From the "Control" ending, we can see clearly that Shepard's head, just for that part, is made of more than just skin and bones.

But I won't start an argument now, I've read the previous pages and I can understand you people must be still under a little anger from the previous annoyances, so I'll leave you with a good-nite.

Except the control ending, and therefore what's under Shep's skin, is only real from a literal point of view. So you're using a literalist point to backup a literalist point.

[Simon_Says]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

But I just could not imagine the indoctrination attempt backfiring on the reapers so badly that they are completely annihilated. The most I could see happening is a break in the indoctrination's hold.

Remember that killing Sarenbot didn't kill Sovereign. It just hurt Sovereign enough to bring down its shields and get properly pummeled by the fleet outside.

I think a destructive feedback wouldn't win the war, just even the odds at most.

But yeah, I too don't want my Shepard to miss the best part: seeing the reapers rain down in flames from the sky.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .

[Iconoclaste]

Simon_Says wrote...

Someone got a link to Gunslinger's screenshots to show Iconoclaste?

Don't waste your time, I extracted tons of pictures from cutscenes and gamefiles myself, just to be prepared for a serious discussion regarding the "explosions" and their effects, among other things. But like I said, it's late here and I do not wish you people to feel any more confrontation for today, you have an absolute right to respect, so I'll come back some other time when things get slower, just to kick you back up for the sake of a good discussion, and nothing more.

G-nite.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Simon_Says wrote...

WandySilva wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I would be very angry if we got a "cop out" response stating that Shepard activated the Crucible WITH HIS MIND and then woke up in the aftermath.

There's precedent for it though. The geth concensus had Shepard performing symbolic action in the dreamworld that affected things in meatspace. Also, if the reapers are having a two-way connection with Shepard, then it's possible to send destructive feedback to whatever's on the other end, as was done by killing Sarenbot.

but if the theory is true, the crucible still hasnt made contact with the citadel

Or has it? Hacket got a report that someone made it to the beam. But he couldn't confirm for sure that Shepard was on the Citadel. That's just an assumption. So when Shepard reaches the beam, Hacket sends in the Crucible.

Also, something interesting to take note: the beam structure looks more like the prothean beacons than a mass relay. Thin, tall obelisk, beam of light into the sky... Also why would a reaper relay send people to the control panel of the Citadel, hrm? Why were people coming back from it, indoctrinated?* I'm pretty sure the beam structure is an indoctrination beacon, not a ground-to-station relay.

This would definitely make sense but...if this were the case the entire galaxy is screwed. We went all in, bet our chips on being able to use the Crucible but instead it turns out to be the exact opposite thing from what we needed. Our forces would be completely spent trying to get to this beam only to have everyone who reached it be indoctrinated? I don't see a way for Bioware to be able to write off a victory from this point.

A counter for the "indoctrination beacon" theory would be. "Why would the reapers post so much resistance to the forces trying to reach the beacon if reaching the beacon would mean strengthening the reaper forces?"

Not saying that I don't think that it is an indoctrination beacon but I feel torn on that point. The events don't add up. Lets say Shepard wakes up and figures out that it is an indoctrination beacon. GREAT! Now what? I can't think of the next plan of action. Harbinger would soon realize that his mass indoctrination beacon didn't work and would then proceed to kill everyone because they weren't taking the bait.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Simon_Says wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

But I just could not imagine the indoctrination attempt backfiring on the reapers so badly that they are completely annihilated. The most I could see happening is a break in the indoctrination's hold.

Remember that killing Sarenbot didn't kill Sovereign. It just hurt Sovereign enough to bring down its shields and get properly pummeled by the fleet outside.

I think a destructive feedback wouldn't win the war, just even the odds at most.

But yeah, I too don't want my Shepard to miss the best part: seeing the reapers rain down in flames from the sky.

To even the odds every reaper would need to be trying to control Shepard. Shepard then breaks the indoctrination's hold thus bringing down every reaper's sheilds. This isn't the case though...is it?

[masster blaster]

Would be funny to see the Reaper lose their sheilds and barriers.

Hackett " All fleets. Comense Pay backs a B****" or All fleets. Stand by and FIRE.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .

[WandySilva]

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"This would definitely make sense but...if this were the case the entire galaxy is screwed. We went all in, bet our chips on being able to use the Crucible but instead it turns out to be the exact opposite thing from what we needed. Our forces would be completely spent trying to get to this beam only to have everyone who reached it be indoctrinated? I don't see a way for Bioware to be able to write off a victory from this point.

A counter for the "indoctrination beacon" theory would be. "Why would the reapers post so much resistance to the forces trying to reach the beacon if reaching the beacon would mean strengthening the reaper forces?"

Not saying that I don't think that it is an indoctrination beacon but I feel torn on that point. The events don't add up. Lets say Shepard wakes up and figures out that it is an indoctrination beacon. GREAT! Now what? I can't think of the next plan of action. Harbinger would soon realize that his mass indoctrination beacon didn't work and would then proceed to kill everyone because they weren't taking the bait."

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*messed up the quote system XD


perhaps this is why shepard only wakes up in the high ems ending, he has brought enough forces to keep harbinger at bay for long enough to wake up?

Modifié par WandySilva, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:26 .

[Simon_Says]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

This would definitely make sense but...if this were the case the entire galaxy is screwed. We went all in, bet our chips on being able to use the Crucible but instead it turns out to be the exact opposite thing from what we needed. Our forces would be completely spent trying to get to this beam only to have everyone who reached it be indoctrinated? I don't see a way for Bioware to be able to write off a victory from this point.

A counter for the "indoctrination beacon" theory would be. "Why would the reapers post so much resistance to the forces trying to reach the beacon if reaching the beacon would mean strengthening the reaper forces?"

Not saying that I don't think that it is an indoctrination beacon but I feel torn on that point. The events don't add up. Lets say Shepard wakes up and figures out that it is an indoctrination beacon. GREAT! Now what? I can't think of the next plan of action. Harbinger would soon realize that his mass indoctrination beacon didn't work and would then proceed to kill everyone because they weren't taking the bait.

Almost all of the folks who made it to the beam died anyway, irrelevent of if the beam was a beacon or a relay. I somewhat suspect the whole thing was a trap designed specifically to lure Shepard and other top allied commanders in (Anderson, Victus, Wrex, etc.) to be turned. Even if shepard doesn't send destructive feedback by beating the indoctrination attempt, the reapers failed that particular battle (remember the turian philosophy? "If there's one man left standing the fight was worth it"?). Shepard, though broken, can still fight another day.

And remember, there's always another way.

[masster blaster]

Simon " I don't think so admaral."

[masster blaster]

Wandy I have been saying that since forever I saw the Breath scene. Yet nobody said anything.

[Simon_Says]

Because nothing needed saying. That was the commonly accepted belief since waaay back in the first thread.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

I'm off for now everyone. See you guys (and girls) tomorrow!

[masster blaster]

Well yes but the Literalyst don't believe that's the reason why Shepard wakes up, since if you get low EMS. Shouldn't we get the breath scene if Shepard should have survived.

[Simon_Says]

masster blaster wrote...

Simon " I don't think so admaral."

"I've dedicated my life to understanding EA, and I know with certainty that Origin will allow me to control them!"

G'nite Chriz.

I'll probably head off myself now. Catch up with you later. Don't discover anything big while I'm out.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:38 .

[HellishFiend]

Simon_Says wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Simon " I don't think so admaral."

"I've dedicated my life to understanding EA, and I know for certain that Origin microtransactions from multiplayer will allow me to control them!"

I think that's what you meant. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:38 .

[L0NEWOLF25]

The starchild is never stated in the Credits as a voice acter. People have tryed to tell me that he might be in the additional  voices of the credits but why would they do that to the character that we just saw and plays a big part in the ending, unless they are trying to hide something. I also don't remember ever seeing a child until ME3.

Modifié par L0NEWOLF25, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[masster blaster]

Or Simon " I've dedicated my life to understanding Bioware, and I know for certin that BSN will allow me to Control them!"

[Simon_Says]

Hellish...

[HellishFiend]

Simon_Says wrote...

Hellish...

lol, sorry. G'night!

[masster blaster]

Okay I will be going to bed in ten minutes so ya sleep. Hope the child does not haunt me because I really have been hearing buzzing in my ears.

[L0NEWOLF25]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay I will be going to bed in ten minutes so ya sleep. Hope the child does not haunt me because I really have been hearing buzzing in my ears.

"Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. "

[masster blaster]

Well let's hope I am not because if I am then it's been nice knowing you all.