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[L0NEWOLF25]

Well I'm going to bed now. Good night to whoever may still be up.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Man those Banshee have got some magnetic hands when they want to.[/offtopic]

[estebanus]

Page 1914... The year the first world war started...

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

[Dam0299]

estebanus wrote...

Page 1914... The year the first world war started...

The first great flame war approaches.....

[Rosewind]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

Last thread wasn't locked for lentgh it was locked cause some one was making Penis jokes every second post.

[Dam0299]

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

Last thread wasn't locked for lentgh it was locked cause some one was making Penis jokes every second post.

It was the anti-IT's greatest attempt to stop us, That was what they had to resort to. 

[Rosewind]

Dam0299 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

Last thread wasn't locked for lentgh it was locked cause some one was making Penis jokes every second post.

It was the anti-IT's greatest attempt to stop us, That was what they had to resort to. 

Sorry for this but I have to lol:

There is nothing wrong with a good...penis...joke....

[Either.Ardrey]

Iconoclaste wrote...
From the files, nowhere is "concrete" mentioned, only "rubble". The Citadel's broken bits can be "rubble" as much as anything else, on Thessia, in London, on Tuchanka, etc.

From the "Control" ending, we can see clearly that Shepard's head, just for that part, is made of more than just skin and bones.

But I won't start an argument now, I've read the previous pages and I can understand you people must be still under a little anger from the previous annoyances, so I'll leave you with a good-nite.

---wall 'o' text warning, but it should answer your questions if you read it---

From the sound of it, you (iconoclaste) probably won't read this until way later, but this pyramid is something I wanted to add to after I read it. I just got back, so sorry it's a bit late.

In one of your earlier posts in the pyramid, you said something which led me to be confused. The thing about the red wave moving faster than the objects being moved by it. It left me thinking, "And? Then what?" mainly because it seemed incomplete. From what I gathered from your description, you stopped at the point while Shepard was in space (unless you're saying that he's still in that room on the Citadel? I can't really tell at the moment). If you wish to elaborate a little more clearly on that one point, I, for one, would appreciate it.

Next, I'll address this comment. You say there is no "concrete" in the files, but from what I can see, that's a moot point, because the breath scene is a pre-rendered video. There are no internal files to look through. Only the BIK that's titled something like Shep_Alive. It could easily be anywhere for all we know, because they obscured it with fog and rubble 'n' stuff. And I think that was the entire point of it being pre-rendered. They didn't want us going into the files and immediately discovering where it is, whether it was the Citadel, Earth, or anywhere else.

Next I'll add to the atmospheric reentry, because I felt that it hasn't been properly re-elaborated on. The set-up for ME2's reentry was called an ideal scenario in terms of how close Shepard could've gotten before being unable to bring back. The list goes on with these points: The planet Shepard landed on was smaller than Earth, with weaker gravity; the planet also had a thinner atmosphere than Earth; Shepard landed in a frozen area to aid in preservation; Shepard's helmet protected his brain (the most important part); and Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes when he was found.

Next up we have the ME3 ending crash scenario. Earth has more gravity, thicker atmosphere meaning greater speed, greater friction, and greater impact (and that's if he doesn't burn to crisp before landing). The breath scene is in a more habitable climate, meaning faster decay (if time became an issue, which wouldn't be the case hopefully in this specific scenario). Also, Shepard had no helmet to protect him in the final scenes. All in all, this adds up to a Shepard that is even more meat and tubes than he was at the beginning of ME2.

Now lets look at the breath scene. Shepard is completely recognizable as a human being. Shepard is also functioning and aware enough to draw in a breath. And this is after he would have traveled through space without a helmet for a bit before crashing down to Earth's surface. And that was after the red wave (if indeed real) shut down many, if not all, of Shepard's synthetic systems (the kid could be lying about this, but if he lied, then everything's questionable. Regardless, Shepard would be beyond dead in this scenario even if his synthetic portions were still working).

This leads us to the two big scenarios
(there could be others, but these are the big two).

1. The breath scene takes place on the Citadel, the Destroy thing explodes and lands on Shep, and the explosions seen take place not where Shepard is.

2. The breath scene takes place on Earth, meaning Shep was never on the Citadel physically.

With that in mind, we analyze the scene as given to us. The first thing noticeable, besides the rubble, is the atmosphere. It is foggy and atmospheric, obscuring the view. This is a feature that would be very difficult, if not impossible, to achieve on the Citadel, so a point goes more to Earth for plausibility of this phenomenon. And then there is the wind. Wind is never heard (as far as I can recall. Please correct me if this is not the case) on the Citadel, so another point goes to Earth for favorable plausibility. Next is the rubble itself. Is it made out of Citadel stuff or Earth stuff? Only one item in mind comes up as possibly on the Citadel. The geth/reaper/whatever cables. Those are also on Earth (in fact they're almost everywhere in the game). Everything else matches perfectly to Earth materials, while not at all to Citadel materials, let alone the materials in the decision room, so again, point Earth plausibility. Then the scene moves on to Shepard themself. Shepard is laying on top of most of the rubble. If it were on the Citadel, Shep should be lying on a clean, flat floor with Destroy machine debris on top of Shep, burying them. However, as I said, Shep was on top of most of the rubble, meaning that it was there before Shep was.

That is all I have to add for now. I hope I did the explanation justice. I'm pretty sure I explained it well enough. Please ask questions if you still have any regarding this specific topic.

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:06 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

Last thread wasn't locked for lentgh it was locked cause some one was making Penis jokes every second post.

Not true, Overlord Chris Priestly even messaged Arian back saying it was closed due to length.

[Rosewind]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

Last thread wasn't locked for lentgh it was locked cause some one was making Penis jokes every second post.

Not true, Overlord Chris Priestly even messaged Arian back saying it was closed due to length.

Hmm okay, well lentgh wise makes no sense to me but okay lol I wont question him.

[RavenEyry]

So while I was asleep there was an argument about petty things and everyone hated each other for a short time by the looks of it. This forum is mad sometimes.
Still, Simon Says wrote an interesting dissertation on what is an organic or synthetic apart from labels and when do the lines get blurred, that was worth reading.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

@Either.Ardrey

Good reasoning in your post, hope the guy reads it. There's a total of5 things that should outright kill Shepard we figured out, and a total of 8 if the Shepard Alive scene takes place on Earth.

@Rosewind

I believe the rough translation given was "The thread was too long for newcomers to sift through and stay on topic, making a new thread would be easier in that regard" but I'm mostly paraphrasing. I think Byne or Arian have the actual PM somewhere.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:32 .

[Andromidius]

Either.Ardrey wrote...
---wall 'o' text warning, but it should answer your questions if you read it---

Adding to this:

Even if we assume this is on the Citadel (which is highly unlikely, due to the rubble not being in line with what we see on the Citadel even during the scenes showing it wrecked after an attack), Shepard had the Destroy machine blow up in his/her face and was engulfed in flames.  And then the entire Citadel Tower area explodes (along with secondary explosions along the Ward Arms).

So we'd then need to assume Shepard somehow survived two explosions point-blank, along with any decompression that happened as a result of this explosion.  Even assuming that the Decision Chamber was protected by Mass Effect Fields, the second explosion would very likely damage or destroy the generators and drop the field - exposing the whole area to the vacuum of space.  And Shep had no helmet, and his/her armour was broken and even had pieces missing - a few punctures killed Shep rapidly in ME2, even with most of the suit still intact.

And then somehow Shep still manages to breath in sharply.

That's a heck of a lot of assuming to be done if we're to beleive its on the Citadel.  And it would be a heck of a lot more assuming to think Shep somehow managed to survive getting back to Earth (the closest likely location of the scene), or somehow managed to run back to the Conduit and activate it.

Hense, its more likely to surmise that Shepard never left Earth and the entire Citadel scene was a hallucination brought on by attempted Reaper indoctrination.

[RavenEyry]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Either.Ardrey

Good reasoning in your post, hope the guy reads it. There's a total of5 things that should outright kill Shepard we figured out, and a total of 8 if the Shepard Alive scene takes place on Earth.

Everyone also ignores the SOUNDS. Wind with the faint sound of a bell ringing does not scream 'citadel' at me.

[Andromidius]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Either.Ardrey

Good reasoning in your post, hope the guy reads it. There's a total of5 things that should outright kill Shepard we figured out, and a total of 8 if the Shepard Alive scene takes place on Earth.

What did we decide it was?

Blood loss, asphyxiation, vacuum exposure, freezing and explosions?  And then burning up on re-entry, landing at terminal velocity on rubble and...  Okay, no idea what the 8th one is.

But then I am pretty tired.

Modifié par Andromidius, 16 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .

[SwiftSlash]

I am a person who HATES spoilers. I realize I've been playing with fire ever since entering the 355. It's finally happened. I read something I wasn't supposed to.

**Spoiler**
I read the line the Shep asks (the catalyst?), "The leviathan made you, didn't they?"

And with that I shut down. No more Mass Effect anything for me. I'm really pulling for Indoctrination Theory here, but want to be surprised with anything else. So for now, so long, good bye and happy speculating. hopefully in just a handful of months I can rejoin everyone in a blazing victorious glory =).

Later all.

[RavenEyry]

What, were does that come from? Is the new DLC adding something to the catalyst conversation?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Andromidius wrote...

What did we decide it was?

Blood loss, asphyxiation, vacuum exposure, freezing and explosions?  And then burning up on re-entry, landing at terminal velocity on rubble and...  Okay, no idea what the 8th one is.

But then I am pretty tired.

Reposted it a hundred pages or so ago, but suppose I can whip it out again since you asked:

When viewing the following keep in mind several things:
The Citadel is massive. Shepard is at the base of the ring, essentially
under the Presidium Tower in the center of the Citadel where the
Crucible is docked. Shepard has hardly any armor and no kinetic barriers
as proven by the blood spatter from Marauder Shields attack.



This
explosion more than envelops the area where Shepard was in the decision
chamber, the sheer size of this explosion should let us assume that it
is LARGE and FATAL to anything near it.

A list of things Shepard would need to survive in the Destroy ending in order to take the famous breath:

1. Potentially fatal injuries already sustained. (Harbinger's death ray, Marauder Shields gunshot, excessive bleeding)
2.
The initial explosion of the Destroy tube (the strength of this
explosion alone could outright kill Shepard at point blank range).
3.
Being ground zero when the Red Wave is sent out (it's enough force to
move space debris and Reapers, it would most definitley hurt Shepard
being that close).
4. The Red Wave itself. "You can wipe out all
Synthetic life if you want --- Even YOU are partly Synthetic," it's
entirely possible ALL of Shepard's implants would be deactivated on
contact with the Red energy.
5. The Citadel-Crucible explosion, image above.
6. The vastness of space without a helmet. Or air for that matter.
7.
Re-entry into Earth's atmosphere without kinetic barriers or whole armor
or a helmet (the sheer heat of freefall would vaporize Shepard if other
things hadn't already.)
8. Impact with the ground, assuming anything is left of Shepard it would have to be scooped up with a shovel and bucket.

The
infamous "Shepard Breath" scene I am 99% positive takes place on Earth,
see my sig for London Rubble/Breath scene Rubble comparison. Shepard is
in one piece, bloodied and battered, and takes a breath on Earth after
the list above, the only logical explanation is that Shepard never left
Earth. Whether or not things occured in your head or in real life while
you were uncosious is up in the air at this point.

As said before, even if the Breath scene doesn't take place on Earth, there's still 5 things that should kill Shepard even if he/she is such a badass.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

RavenEyry wrote...

What, were does that come from? Is the new DLC adding something to the catalyst conversation?

Lot of files were pulled and analyzed from EC concernign Leviathan, wouldn't know where that line comes from because I only glanced at it to keep myself from spoilers.

Won't know for sure what it's about in context and plot until the DLC is played, regardless of the data analyzed, if so we're just jumping to conclusions.

[Andromidius]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
As said before, even if the Breath scene doesn't take place on Earth, there's still 5 things that should kill Shepard even if he/she is such a badass.

I'd go as far to say #6 would be fatal without an Earth re-entry as well, because an explosion like that would surely at least damage whatever barriers were creating an atmosphere.

Which would also make the wind and breath impossible too.  Unless there's backups which can somehow survive huge explosions that cause the entire station to shudder and buckle.

[Pulkvedis]

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

Last thread wasn't locked for lentgh it was locked cause some one was making Penis jokes every second post.

Not true, Overlord Chris Priestly even messaged Arian back saying it was closed due to length.

Hmm okay, well lentgh wise makes no sense to me but okay lol I wont question him.

Sounds like a Penis joke...

[RavenEyry]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

What, were does that come from? Is the new DLC adding something to the catalyst conversation?

Lot of files were pulled and analyzed from EC concernign Leviathan, wouldn't know where that line comes from because I only glanced at it to keep myself from spoilers.

Won't know for sure what it's about in context and plot until the DLC is played, regardless of the data analyzed, if so we're just jumping to conclusions.

I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you knew what we had planned..."

[Andromidius]

RavenEyry wrote...
I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you knew what we had planned..."

I'd say that sounds about right.  Also fits with what a few people have been suggesting for months now, a slow reveal that coincides with extra releases.  Long term marketting and all that.

Pretty smart from a business standpoint.  Frustrating as all hell for fans!

[gunslinger_ruiz]

RavenEyry wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

What, were does that come from? Is the new DLC adding something to the catalyst conversation?

Lot of files were pulled and analyzed from EC concernign Leviathan, wouldn't know where that line comes from because I only glanced at it to keep myself from spoilers.

Won't know for sure what it's about in context and plot until the DLC is played, regardless of the data analyzed, if so we're just jumping to conclusions.

I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you knew what we had planned..."

Very true. But in that sense I'd hate to think of all the gamers who would rise up and complain about having to "pay" to get a "real" ending eventually. Unless they plan on making all the SP DLC free.... hm. I'd buy it regarldess of price and game changing consequence since I'm a hopeless Bioware fanboy but not everyone in the community is.