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[RavenEyry]

If it is their master plan I admit they cocked up with the presentation and handling of it several times, and even though there would be anger from many parts at the reveal, I think in a couple of years from now ME3 would be remembered very fondly.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Andromidius wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you knew what we had planned..."

I'd say that sounds about right.  Also fits with what a few people have been suggesting for months now, a slow reveal that coincides with extra releases.  Long term marketting and all that.

Pretty smart from a business standpoint.  Frustrating as all hell for fans!

Hm, probably frustrating for developers to, with those deadlines...

Thinking about this a bit more: ME2 was expanded beyond it's ending with DLC. It's a little odd for ME3 to be expanded that way (from a non-IT standpoint). So what if they plan on expanding the core of ME3's story with DLC instead of the ending until the core is completed enough to debut post-ending content? Plausible? Maybe.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:09 .

[Arian Dynas]

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Just wanted to point out; thread is close to 2000, last thread was almost 3000 so might get locked for length soon. Once that happens, on to Mark III

Last thread wasn't locked for lentgh it was locked cause some one was making Penis jokes every second post.

Not true, Overlord Chris Priestly even messaged Arian back saying it was closed due to length.

Hmm okay, well lentgh wise makes no sense to me but okay lol I wont question him.

Well you see, length WAS why it was closed. That King whatever guy had an issue. You see, our... thread was longer than his.

But yeah it was really closed for length according to Priestly.

[Arian Dynas]

Andromidius wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
As said before, even if the Breath scene doesn't take place on Earth, there's still 5 things that should kill Shepard even if he/she is such a badass.

I'd go as far to say #6 would be fatal without an Earth re-entry as well, because an explosion like that would surely at least damage whatever barriers were creating an atmosphere.

Which would also make the wind and breath impossible too.  Unless there's backups which can somehow survive huge explosions that cause the entire station to shudder and buckle.

Last I checked there is no wind on the Citadel.

Like, at all.

Oh and look at the EC ending, no explosion anymore from what I could see but eh.

[Arian Dynas]

Andromidius wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you knew what we had planned..."

I'd say that sounds about right.  Also fits with what a few people have been suggesting for months now, a slow reveal that coincides with extra releases.  Long term marketting and all that.

Pretty smart from a business standpoint.  Frustrating as all hell for fans!

Ehhhh.... I DON'T agree with the assesment that we already have the ending and that DLC would unlock it over time, aside from just being a massive security risk, I can assure you EA would want to milk another DLC out of this.

And I'm ok with that.

[Leonia]

On the subject of DLCs adding to the endings.. a thought that keeps bothering me regarding the Destroy, High EMS is that well, not everyone would have High EMS right so the chance of them adding on to one of the four endings (assuming no more choices are added to further dilute the options at the end) and on to something that requires the average player to go beyond the call of duty for those extra points seems.. unlikely. They would want to cater to the broadest audience possible, not a selected few dedicated fans.

However, one thing I have noticed in regards to EMS is that it's a lot easier to inflate it than to lower it, in fact those of us who have promoted a lot from MP are pretty much "doomed" to never see the lower EMS endings unless we watch via YouTube. So with that in mind, is it possible that future DLC will have this same effect of artificially forcing your EMS to be at a high enough level to grant the Breath Scene? If you buy all the DLC but refuse to play MP or do all the side-quests might the game give you a bit of a break for spending money on DLC?

In a way this kind of renders the EMS concept as a whole sort of obsolete if it no longer matters (and aside from getting the Breath Scene, it has hardly mattered already, we never see those War Assets in action). Otherwise I can't see EA/Bioware focusing so heavily on expanding a particular ending that only a minority of players would have reached which is my main worry when it comes to a theory that relies so heavily on that scene actually happening (because if Shepard doesn't survive and/or wake-up then IT doesn't mean a whole lot).

Modifié par leonia42, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:38 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
As said before, even if the Breath scene doesn't take place on Earth, there's still 5 things that should kill Shepard even if he/she is such a badass.

I'd go as far to say #6 would be fatal without an Earth re-entry as well, because an explosion like that would surely at least damage whatever barriers were creating an atmosphere.

Which would also make the wind and breath impossible too.  Unless there's backups which can somehow survive huge explosions that cause the entire station to shudder and buckle.

Last I checked there is no wind on the Citadel.

Like, at all.

Oh and look at the EC ending, no explosion anymore from what I could see but eh.

What do you mean "no explosion"? What part, the big one after the Red beam is sent out? I didn't notice that missing ... I don't think I did. . . . . Crap brb replaying.

[RavenEyry]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

What do you mean "no explosion"? What part, the big one after the Red beam is sent out? I didn't notice that missing ... I don't think I did. . . . . Crap brb replaying.

The explosions are still there, just a little less dramatic.

[Leonia]

Is it not strange that the Crucible is not visible at all during that explosion? How did they move it out of the way so fast and wasn't it sort of needed to cause such explosion?

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

What do you mean "no explosion"? What part, the big one after the Red beam is sent out? I didn't notice that missing ... I don't think I did. . . . . Crap brb replaying.

The explosions are still there, just a little less dramatic.

Why would they do that...

[Arian Dynas]

leonia42 wrote...

On the subject of DLCs adding to the endings.. a thought that keeps bothering me regarding the Destroy, High EMS is that well, not everyone would have High EMS right so the chance of them adding on to one of the four endings (assuming no more choices are added to further dilute the options at the end) and on to something that requires the average player to go beyond the call of duty for those extra points seems.. unlikely. They would want to cater to the broadest audience possible, not a selected few dedicated fans.

However, one thing I have noticed in regards to EMS is that it's a lot easier to inflate it than to lower it, in fact those of us who have promoted a lot from MP are pretty much "doomed" to never see the lower EMS endings unless we watch via YouTube. So with that in mind, is it possible that future DLC will have this same effect of artificially forcing your EMS to be at a high enough level to grant the Breath Scene? If you buy all the DLC but refuse to play MP or do all the side-quests might the game give you a bit of a break for spending money on DLC?

In a way this kind of renders the EMS concept as a whole sort of obsolete if it no longer matters (and aside from getting the Breath Scene, it has hardly mattered already, we never see those War Assets in action). Otherwise I can't see EA/Bioware focusing so heavily on expanding a particular ending that only a minority of players would have reached which is my main worry when it comes to a theory that relies so heavily on that scene actually happening (because if Shepard doesn't survive and/or wake-up then IT doesn't mean a whole lot).

I sugguested the same thing about the Multiplayer operations actually. Get enough players to play MP and raise their EMS, have more people see the ending with Shepard in Destroy.

It's rather clever actually.

As for people who don't do the side quests, well, they clearly don't care much for the game anyway, so I doub't they'd buy the DLC. 

[Leonia]

Arian Dynas wrote...

As for people who don't do the side quests, well, they clearly don't care much for the game anyway, so I
doub't they'd buy the DLC. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Hey I didn't do most of the side-quests but that's because the journal sucked and the new galaxy map mini-game was ridiculous.

It's interesting that they WANT us to see the high EMS stuff, why even have an EMS system at all.

Modifié par leonia42, 16 juillet 2012 - 08:58 .

[Leonia]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

What do you mean "no explosion"? What part, the big one after the Red beam is sent out? I didn't notice that missing ... I don't think I did. . . . . Crap brb replaying.

The explosions are still there, just a little less dramatic.

Why would they do that...

To confuse us further on whether Shepard is on the Citadel or on Earth, a less dramatic explosion means it might be more survivable (ignoring other factors of course).

[RavenEyry]

leonia42 wrote...

To confuse us further on whether Shepard is on the Citadel or on Earth, a less dramatic explosion means it might be more survivable (ignoring other factors of course).

I think it's the same as removing the relay explosions, it leaves the face value endings a little less fatal to everyone.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

What do you mean "no explosion"? What part, the big one after the Red beam is sent out? I didn't notice that missing ... I don't think I did. . . . . Crap brb replaying.

The explosions are still there, just a little less dramatic.

Why would they do that...

Going to pick Destroy right now, pre-EC you could see what looks like the Crucible breaking apart after the big explosion, didn't see any difference last time but wasn't looking for it. Will make a vid to review maybe post it on skydrive or just post my findings here.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Ok so...Looks just as big as it was pre-EC to me. Even if it is smaller it's still MASSIVE. And you can still see little bits of what looks like pieces of a sphere blowing off in separate directions immediately after the big explosion.

So, explosion still big enough to vaporize whatever's left of Shepard. And, still possible it's the Crucible doing the main exploding.

[MaximizedAction]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Ok so...Looks just as big as it was pre-EC to me. Even if it is smaller it's still MASSIVE. And you can still see little bits of what looks like pieces of a sphere blowing off in separate directions immediately after the big explosion.

So, explosion still big enough to vaporize whatever's left of Shepard. And, still possible it's the Crucible doing the main exploding.

There are these moments that I have when I imagine myself thinking in the future "Of course this couldn't have been real, funny how people were still trying to emphasize the obvious..."

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...
There are these moments that I have when I imagine myself thinking in the future "Of course this couldn't have been real, funny how people were still trying to emphasize the obvious..."

Y'know, I feel like writing a list of everything off with the ending. No analysis or anything, just a list of stuff that shows a dream whether through indoctrination, intoxication, cheese before bed, a lot of opium, whatever. Let people draw their own conclusions.

[Arian Dynas]

Then do so, we'll call it extra credit.

[zigamortis]

I just made a thread for evidence for and against the IT if anyone would like to contribute to it please do. heres the link http://social.biowar.../index/13162508

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
There are these moments that I have when I imagine myself thinking in the future "Of course this couldn't have been real, funny how people were still trying to emphasize the obvious..."

Y'know, I feel like writing a list of everything off with the ending. No analysis or anything, just a list of stuff that shows a dream whether through indoctrination, intoxication, cheese before bed, a lot of opium, whatever. Let people draw their own conclusions.

That's a good idea! It would we something that everyone could understand and wouldn't need to know what Indoc. is. Everyone knows movies and how dreams are portrayed.

[Gwyphon]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
There are these moments that I have when I imagine myself thinking in the future "Of course this couldn't have been real, funny how people were still trying to emphasize the obvious..."

Y'know, I feel like writing a list of everything off with the ending. No analysis or anything, just a list of stuff that shows a dream whether through indoctrination, intoxication, cheese before bed, a lot of opium, whatever. Let people draw their own conclusions.

They will probably just point to bad writing. Speaking of which this thread needs some one summerising findings every thousand posts or what not.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 16 juillet 2012 - 09:43 .

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
There are these moments that I have when I imagine myself thinking in the future "Of course this couldn't have been real, funny how people were still trying to emphasize the obvious..."

Y'know, I feel like writing a list of everything off with the ending. No analysis or anything, just a list of stuff that shows a dream whether through indoctrination, intoxication, cheese before bed, a lot of opium, whatever. Let people draw their own conclusions.

Extra extra if you give me the opium .... and the cheese defiantly the cheese

[RavenEyry]

Done it. It's called 'Ending oddities'

[HellishFiend]

MaximizedAction wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
There are these moments that I have when I imagine myself thinking in the future "Of course this couldn't have been real, funny how people were still trying to emphasize the obvious..."

Y'know, I feel like writing a list of everything off with the ending. No analysis or anything, just a list of stuff that shows a dream whether through indoctrination, intoxication, cheese before bed, a lot of opium, whatever. Let people draw their own conclusions.

That's a good idea! It would we something that everyone could understand and wouldn't need to know what Indoc. is. Everyone knows movies and how dreams are portrayed.

The upcoming Choose Wisely series is going to be designed to hold people by the hand and walk them through what Indoctrination is and how the themes of the trilogy apply to it. If people dont care enough to learn that from an easy-to-watch video, they probably wont care much about a list that you have to read...

Target audiences for the vids will be:
Those of us who already understand it all and just want to watch it for the entertainment value
Those who believe IT but dont really have a full understanding of the themes
Those who are keeping an open mind and wish to learn more, so that they can draw a more informed conclusion

And in fact those are the only people we should be conversing with. Anyone who doesnt fit into one of those categories is generally hostile and closed-minded. I can think of many things I'd rather do than hold a conversation with folks like that, much less try to convince them of anything.