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[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

I'm starting to doubt if IT is even worth it anymore...

I asked myself the same for some time now, though more becuase of the reason TSA gave:

TSA_383 wrote...
[...] No, but if you look back to the old thread it was usually much more constructive than this.
[...], but there's been very little in the way of really constructive debate.[...]

Some atm seem much more interested on being padded on the back, and if you don't agree you shouldn't read their posts...

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:35 .

[Arian Dynas]

Also, something occurred to me just now, seeing as I am sleep deprived.

Shepard dies if you do nothing while in the TIM confrontation.

Shepard dies if you choose Reject. Once again, proof that Shepard is a man of action one way or another and would not choose inaction.

Just something to consider.

As for "not being constructive" it's partially because we haven't had much to discuss, a confirmation bias about the fact that you've only been looking at the past few days and have forgotten there were times when the original thread was just as bad, and the fact that we do tend to veer off topic as the threads get longer, so this one is probably nearing the end of it's life span.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:42 .

[RavenEyry]

Excellent point point about not acting there. Twice it makes you take action or die.

My brainwaves generally come while in bed so I know what you mean about sleep deprived inspiration.

[paxxton]

The Illusive Man is in the same situation as Shepard. He tries to break out of indoctrination through Control. When he says "No, I'm in control. No one is telling me what to do." That notion of being in control gives him strength the same way the desire to destroy the Reapers gives strength to Shepard.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:51 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, smething occured to me just now, seeing as I am sleep deprived.

Shepard dies if you do nothing while in the TIM confrontation.

Shepard dies if you choose Reject. Once again, proof that Shepard is a man of action one way or another and would not choose inaction.

Just something to consider.

As for "not being constructive" it's partially because we haven't had much to discuss, a confirmation bias about the fact that you've only been looking at the past few days and have forgotten there were times when the original thread was just as bad, and the fact that we do tend to veer off topic as the threads get longer, so this one is probably nearing the end of it's life span.

For some time was more in the sense of since some of the last pages of the old thread.
Though it's a difference between wanting a pat on the back and just being funny. I don't care about the latter.


The problem with rejecting is though you choose not to use the Crucible Shepard still could search for a way to defeat the Reapers, if somewhere on the Citadel is indeed the command hub for the Reapers she could still try to sabotage it, maybe causing the Reapers to collapse in chaos. Or at least destroy their direct means to create a new Reaper.
It's bothering me quite a bit that by opt out of the Crucible choice you opt out of everything.

[MaximizedAction]

Arian Dynas wrote...
As for "not being constructive" it's partially because we haven't had much to discuss, a confirmation bias about the fact that you've only been looking at the past few days and have forgotten there were times when the original thread was just as bad, and the fact that we do tend to veer off topic as the threads get longer, so this one is probably nearing the end of it's life span.

The cycle continues.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:48 .

[Arian Dynas]

Also, for the record, we're speculating and debating now.

But speaking of debate, I have a Logic course in the morning. I NEED sleep. Night all.

[TSA_383]

Right, now for some speculation:

First of all, for people eager to look at the catalyst's lines, here's a bunch of EC audio:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/87m8uz
The catalyst's lines are in the 600s. "SO BE IT" is 622.

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

We sharing screens? awesome. Here have a bigger one mystery items #1 and 2:

See towards what would be the top of the flipped vehicle, there's a rectangular vent?
Reminds me very much of this:

(Model pulled from the beam run)

RavenEyry wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

@Either.Ardrey

Good
reasoning in your post, hope the guy reads it. There's a total of5
things that should outright kill Shepard we figured out, and a total of 8
if the Shepard Alive scene takes place on Earth.

Everyone also ignores the SOUNDS. Wind with the faint sound of a bell ringing does not scream 'citadel' at me.

This.
Space stations are not famous for their wind noise.

RavenEyry wrote...
I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if
true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little
something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you
knew what we had planned..."

Here's a point:

Retake omega wouldn't really work if the illusive man was dead.
You can't really have a DLC that's a massive battle against Cerberus when you've destroyed their base and killed their leader. It just wouldn't work very well...

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if
true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little
something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you
knew what we had planned..."

Here's a point:

Retake omega wouldn't really work if the illusive man was dead.
You can't really have a DLC that's a massive battle against Cerberus when you've destroyed their base and killed their leader. It just wouldn't work very well...

You didn't pay attention to what TIM said on the Cronos Station. Cerberus isn't the people behind it, it's the idea (whatever it is ).

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:10 .

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
I'm not gonna jump to conclusions, but if
true, it seems to fit with the idea that each DLC will add a little
something to the ending until we finally get the true story. "If you
knew what we had planned..."

Here's a point:

Retake omega wouldn't really work if the illusive man was dead.
You can't really have a DLC that's a massive battle against Cerberus when you've destroyed their base and killed their leader. It just wouldn't work very well...

I remember reading an idea from someone here that the DLC add retake battles for important places like Palivan, Thessia, etc. I'd like something like that.

Of course, if Retake Omega takes place before the final missions, then there's no problem with Cerberus being nearly defeated. But then again, I'm not sure if I'd enjoy a DLC of which I know that it takes place before the ending and doesn't add anything to the endings (besides extra slides that is).

[v0rt3x22]

Kind of interesting:

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:11 .

[paxxton]

Anyway, I'd like to know what you think about the similarities between Shepard's and TIM's situations in the ending.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:33 .

[RavenEyry]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Kind of interesting:

That tweet is ancient. Merizan has been very good at not taking sides in this debacle.

[v0rt3x22]

RavenEyry wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Kind of interesting:

That tweet is ancient. Merizan has been very good at not taking sides in this debacle.

I know its ancient - just wanted to ressurect the discussion 

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Kind of interesting:

That tweet is ancient. Merizan has been very good at not taking sides in this debacle.

Ancient, yes. But I haven't seen it yet, nonetheless.

This is very likely her speaking as a fan, as Bioware doesn't really want to comment on IT. She also tweeted that she had a playthrough dedicated to indoc. (or something like that) -- whatever that means.

Besides, what she tweeted there is true: the app only states that they dropped that specific loss-of-control moment in-game, NOT the concept of indoc.

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Besides, what she tweeted there is true: the app only states that they dropped that specific loss-of-control moment in-game, NOT the concept of indoc.

And the ending being 'as planned' in no way contradicts IT. All it means is it wasn't changed at the last minute as many said.

[paxxton]

Is this idea really so nonsensical that no one wants to comment on it?

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:32 .

[Uncle Jo]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I sugguested the same thing about the Multiplayer operations actually. Get enough players to play MP and raise their EMS, have more people see the ending with Shepard in Destroy.

It's rather clever actually.

As for people who don't do the side quests, well, they clearly don't care much for the game anyway, so I doub't they'd buy the DLC. 

Arian you seem to forget that the gibbed save editor solved the EMS problem a long time ago (at least for the PC players. Don't know if it works for the PS3 or XBox). I never played MP and still got the perfect ending (already before EC), as well as I could lower my EMS to 200. A lot of people who don't like or can't play MP did the same.

Furthermore they lowered the necessary EMS to 3100 for the perfect ending in the EC, which is easy to obtain without MP.

If MP is played now, it's just because people like it. It has no longer any influence on the endings.

As for the next DLCs and especially the Leviathan one, I wouldn't be surprised if it added some dialogue lines when you meet the brat or that it would allow the endings to be interpretated from a completely different perspective. After all, before the EC they said that it won't be any new ending and we still got the "So be it" one.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:40 .

[v0rt3x22]

TSA_383 - any speculation about the assets in ME3 which are labeled as "Dream"?

I'm refering to the leafs (but I'm not sure if that's the only content labelled as 'Dream') - because people have suggested those leafs are used in the dream sequences - and not in the "jungle" planet epilogue.

I'm asking you because I'm getting the notion that you have access to the assets (I don't).

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, I'd like to know what you think about the similarities between Shepard's and TIM's situations in the ending.

paxxton wrote...

The Illusive Man is in the same situation as Shepard. He tries to break out of indoctrination through Control. When he says "No, I'm in control. No one is telling me what to do." That notion of being in control gives him strength the same way the desire to destroy the Reapers gives strength to Shepard.

Within IT, similarities between that particular TIM and Shep are no coincidence. As far as I understand IT, this TIM is like that devil on Shep's shoulder and hence represents that 'evil' part of Shep.

If the TIM at the end is the real TIM then I must assume that the info Shepard recieved from the Catalyst is legit, too. Hence, TIM was already controlled by the Reapers and him leaning towards control as a means of eventually breaking free can't really be a goal of TIM personally. If TIM is controlled by the Reapers, then how do we know what of this husk is the real TIM and what not?

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Anyway, I'd like to know what you think about the similarities between Shepard's and TIM's situations in the ending.

paxxton wrote...

The Illusive Man is in the same situation as Shepard. He tries to break out of indoctrination through Control. When he says "No, I'm in control. No one is telling me what to do." That notion of being in control gives him strength the same way the desire to destroy the Reapers gives strength to Shepard.

Within IT, similarities between that particular TIM and Shep are no coincidence. As far as I understand IT, this TIM is like that devil on Shep's shoulder and hence represents that 'evil' part of Shep.

If the TIM at the end is the real TIM then I must assume that the info Shepard recieved from the Catalyst is legit, too. Hence, TIM was already controlled by the Reapers and him leaning towards control as a means of eventually breaking free can't really be a goal of TIM personally. If TIM is controlled by the Reapers, then how do we know what of this husk is the real TIM and what not?

If TIM is real, there's no need to also assume that the Catalyst is or isn't lying. But even if he tells the truth, the fact that TIM is controlled by the Reapers doesn't devalue that he tried to break out of indoctrination through persuading himself that he (and not the Reapers) are in control of himself. TIM's character always wants to exert some kind of control on everything so it's only natural that he wants to control the Reapers.

Shepard might also be controlled by the Reapers so how do we know that Destroy is the right choice. You see, we don't know anything for sure but we assume that some interpretations are more probable to be good. That's why we think that Destroy in IT is correct. So why not assume that TIM was really trying to break out of indoctrination. Or even that the confrontation with Shepard and Anderson was for him the same kind of evaluation by the Reapers as the choice in the Catalyst's chamber was for Shepard.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:28 .

[TSA_383]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

TSA_383 - any speculation about the assets in ME3 which are labeled as "Dream"?

I'm refering to the leafs (but I'm not sure if that's the only content labelled as 'Dream') - because people have suggested those leafs are used in the dream sequences - and not in the "jungle" planet epilogue.

I'm asking you because I'm getting the notion that you have access to the assets (I don't).

Well the Dream_Foliage thing, those plants are prominent in a few places:

-The opening scene with the child
-The dream sequences
-Final choice sequence

Although they did also reuse some of the plants in the grissom academy mission.

There are a couple of interesting files in the post-EC beam sequence (after the conduit run)
Unfortunately my umodel keeps reducing texture resolution, anyone know how to fix that?

[RavenEyry]

Isn't the model for the control rods labelled 'bad'?

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

Isn't the model for the control rods labelled 'bad'?

[paxxton]

@TSA_383: So what came out of the Catalyst's voice analysis? Are there any other situations in which his voice lacks Shepard's in the background?

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 01:55 .