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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Rifneno wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Starbrat is a reaper douchebag. Nuff said.


We call it "Starbinger" now.


Starbinger, huh?  I'm kind of partial to ReaperBieber, myself, but I'll go with whatever you guys say.

Edit: Also, I see we have more supporters who are coming out and supporting us in public.  All I can say is, good to have you guys, it's good to see that IT is stronger than ever.

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Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Starbrat is a reaper douchebag. Nuff said.


We call it "Starbinger" now.


Starbinger, huh?  I'm kind of partial to ReaperBieber, myself, but I'll go with whatever you guys say.


"ReaperBieber the Starbinger" The Official name of the Space Brat.

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dmay7 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Starbrat is a reaper douchebag. Nuff said.


We call it "Starbinger" now.


Starbinger, huh?  I'm kind of partial to ReaperBieber, myself, but I'll go with whatever you guys say.


"ReaperBieber the Starbinger" The Official name of the Space Brat.


Of all the things to come out of this (and its prior) thread. This may actually be the most amusing.

ReaperBieber the Starbinger (as a name) is aces in my book.

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dmay7 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Starbrat is a reaper douchebag. Nuff said.


We call it "Starbinger" now.


Starbinger, huh?  I'm kind of partial to ReaperBieber, myself, but I'll go with whatever you guys say.


"ReaperBieber the Starbinger" The Official name of the Space Brat.


Works for me.  It seems like it covers all the bases.

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Well, it seems like we've stopped talking about stuff, so I'll start up the dialogue again.

Shepard.

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Destructorlio wrote...

 Let's game this out a bit. Independantly of IT's veracity, and assuming that Bioware told the truth when they said they will not re-write the ending and stand by their creative decisions regarding the ending, there are 4 scenarios that could occur with the EC:

1. IT is not true and the EC does not extend beyond the existing end of the game: This means the EC would consist largely of additional scenes that expand on what we already saw. This would not solve the problems with the ending- rather, it would perhaps try to explain why the Normandy was fleeing the system with your LI on it, and perhaps give more context to the 'effects' of each of your choices, rather than playing a largely similar cinematic.

2. IT is not true and the EC does extend beyond the existing end of the game: This could be similar to the above but could accomplish the same objectives but through a different mechanism. Rather than showing you how the Normandy crew ended up on the garden world, it would show you what happens to them once they reach the garden world, and the ongoing effects of your decisions on the universe at large, going forward. Depending on whether or not you got the breath scene, Shepard could be alive and recovered from the citadel/London, but there would be no more 'story' to tell in terms of gameplay, since both extant threats (Reapers and TIM) are dealt with in the literalist interpretation.

3. IT is true and the EC does not extend beyond the existing end of the game: This means that the EC would make it more 'obvious' that Shepard is being indoctrinated, and perhaps also show that his decisions are having a real-world effect, that the crucible is a real thing and does change the universe according to your actions, even if reality as you were experiencing it was not in fact real, but part of the indoctrination attempt. So you still end with the breath scene, but this time it's more clear that Shepard has survived the indoctrination attempt but has also dealt with the Reaper threat during his struggles.

4. IT is true and the EC does extend beyond the existing end of the game: This means that you would go through indoctrination largely as we have already experienced it, and depending on how you chose, the game would proceed from there. If you chose control or synth, you would wake up indoctrinated and there would be some kind of Saren/TIM like sequence where you tried to 'break free' from Reaper control as your squad tried to rescue you. If you chose destroy, you start the game in the rubble and re-take up the fight with the Reapers and, potentially, TIM. This allows for the following things to occur:

  • A potential conflict with TIM as imagined in the 'Last Hours' app.
  • An explanation of the real nature of the crucible and what, if any, assistance it can give you in ending the war.
  • A new burst of SP gameplay content as you take the fight to the Reapers for reals this time (this could lead into further content or simply conclude the game again, we don't know).
  • A chance to reunite with your crew, which Bioware have indicated you will be able to do in the EC (literalism cannot account for this).
So given that Mike Gamble has said there will be more SP content on the scale of ME2, that the pack is 'much more' than cinematics, that they are taking 3 months to assemble it... does the fourth option seem far more likely than the other three, which really don't have a lot of story potential to them?

Obviously I may have missed some other potential interpretations, please feel free to add.


I am thinking.. or hoping rather that some form of option #3 is going to be Ec.  I think that would go better with them saying thier not planning on changing the ending with Ec, just adding to it.  Then further DLC down the line will be option #4 where everything is obvious as to what it going on, and give us the epic conclusion to the trilogy!

A man can dream cant he!?   

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Guy posted this in another thread, thought it made awesome sense. Posting here.

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

So I was playing ME2 today and I went into the tech lab to talk to Moridn. He told me about his discovery about how the Protheans eventaully became the Collectors. Had some very interesting things to say.

"No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul. Replaced by tech. Whatever they were, gone forever."

Now I found that interesting cause I assume that's what synthesis does. Replacing parts of organic bodies with tech. You may not find that such a bad thing, Mordin however, wouldn't agree with you.

"Disrupts socio-technological balance. All scientific advancement due to intellegence overcoming, compensating, for limitations. Can't carry a load, so invent wheel. Can't catch food, so invent spear. Limitations. No limitations, no advancement. No advancement, culture stagnates. Works other way too. Advancement before culture is ready. Disastrous."

So serious question to synthesis people, do you think Mordin's wrong? Do think this is a different situation? Do you think society is ready to be half organic and half synthetic? Some food for thoought.

Here's a link to Mordin's conversation if you'd like to hear it from him

www.youtube.com/watch

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Dwailing wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Starbrat is a reaper douchebag. Nuff said.


We call it "Starbinger" now.


Starbinger, huh?  I'm kind of partial to ReaperBieber, myself, but I'll go with whatever you guys say.


"ReaperBieber the Starbinger" The Official name of the Space Brat.


Works for me.  It seems like it covers all the bases.


I'm still fond of "task manager" myself

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dmay7 wrote...

 

dreamgazer wrote...

"Starbinger" sounds almost like the name of an obnoxious, nonsensical band I was acquainted with back in college, so I approve of the change.

 
I need my own sig now "Creator of Starbinger" haha
Or just a sig that says Starbinger, and on one side is Harbinger, and the other Starbrat, who is probably the space baby born at the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey and got pissed at how 2010 turned out, so he went out to pull this crap on us as revenge for Stanley Kubricks incompetence.

 :lol:LMAO! I want to see that sig. And someone should send this to Kubrick.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm still fond of "task manager" myself


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"Yeeeeaahhh, we're going to go ahead and combine organics and synthetics.  That would be great. Mmmkay?"

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When I hear the term "Starbinger", for some reason I think of a professional beer-bonging champion.

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I seriously hope when they update the credits have for the EC dlc, they change the starchilds name to "ReaperBieber the Starbinger".

Modifié par dmay7, 23 mai 2012 - 03:47 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm still fond of "task manager" myself


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"Yeeeeaahhh, we're going to go ahead and combine organics and synthetics.  That would be great. Mmmkay?"



I read that in his voice...I was not amused.

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dmay7 wrote...

I seriously hope when they update the credits have for the EC dlc, they change the starchilds name to "ReaperBieber the Starbinger".


That would be awesome.  Of course, I still want them to make the end music the Commander Shepard song by Miracle of Sound, but I guess we don't get everything we want. <_<

Edit: What can I say, I want IT to be true so that this song is not invalidated. 
  If Shep beats indoctrination, then it's definitely true.

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blooregard wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm still fond of "task manager" myself


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"Yeeeeaahhh, we're going to go ahead and combine organics and synthetics.  That would be great. Mmmkay?"



I read that in his voice...I was not amused.


The logic being he lets you CTRL the Reapers, ALTer reality, or DEL all synthetics.

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Not IT related but strange.

Anyone notice there are star systems that have their own indicator noise and what not and even have Reapers appearing over them in some cases but you can't travel to them or anything.

Possible DLC hints?

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blooregard wrote...

Not IT related but strange.

Anyone notice there are star systems that have their own indicator noise and what not and even have Reapers appearing over them in some cases but you can't travel to them or anything.

Possible DLC hints?


Yeah, I noticed that, too.  I'll bet you the Omega Nebula is one of them.

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OK, I'm off for the night. See you all tomorrow. Louisville, KY Turian brigade out.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

blooregard wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm still fond of "task manager" myself


Posted Image

"Yeeeeaahhh, we're going to go ahead and combine organics and synthetics.  That would be great. Mmmkay?"



I read that in his voice...I was not amused.


The logic being he lets you CTRL the Reapers, ALTer reality, or DEL all synthetics.

 :) You are soooo left brain.:)

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Dwailing wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Not IT related but strange.

Anyone notice there are star systems that have their own indicator noise and what not and even have Reapers appearing over them in some cases but you can't travel to them or anything.

Possible DLC hints?


Yeah, I noticed that, too.  I'll bet you the Omega Nebula is one of them.


Yeah there are two when plotting Mass Relay Jumps I can recall.

My first thought was there were markers / anchors for plots in the game so you weren't jumping through the core.

But then I realised that they could easily map around with star systems to travel too.

Has anyone done Map comparison to work out which systems they are we can't go too?

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Icinix wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

blooregard wrote...

Not IT related but strange.

Anyone notice there are star systems that have their own indicator noise and what not and even have Reapers appearing over them in some cases but you can't travel to them or anything.

Possible DLC hints?


Yeah, I noticed that, too.  I'll bet you the Omega Nebula is one of them.


Yeah there are two when plotting Mass Relay Jumps I can recall.

My first thought was there were markers / anchors for plots in the game so you weren't jumping through the core.

But then I realised that they could easily map around with star systems to travel too.

Has anyone done Map comparison to work out which systems they are we can't go too?




I've seen pictures of a Galaxy map that details at least ME1 and ME2. I think Century and Omega may have been two of them but I can't rightly tell I'll have to look at a galaxy map.

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Big G13 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

blooregard wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm still fond of "task manager" myself


Posted Image

"Yeeeeaahhh, we're going to go ahead and combine organics and synthetics.  That would be great. Mmmkay?"



I read that in his voice...I was not amused.


The logic being he lets you CTRL the Reapers, ALTer reality, or DEL all synthetics.

 :) You are soooo left brain.:)


Whut?

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Thought that some might find this interesting...


Posted Image Red

Red is the color of fire and blood, so it is associated with energy, war, danger, strength, power, determination as well as passion, desire, and love.

Red is a very emotionally intense color. It enhances human metabolism, increases respiration rate, and raises blood pressure. It has very high visibility, which is why stop signs, stoplights, and fire equipment are usually painted red. In heraldry, red is used to indicate courage. It is a color found in many national flags.

Red brings text and images to the foreground. Use it as an accent color to stimulate people to make quick decisions; it is a perfect color for 'Buy Now' or 'Click Here' buttons on Internet banners and websites. In advertising, red is often used to evoke erotic feelings (red lips, red nails, red-light districts, 'Lady in Red', etc). Red is widely used to indicate danger (high voltage signs, traffic lights). This color is also commonly associated with energy, so you can use it when promoting energy drinks, games, cars, items related to sports and high physical activity.

Light red
represents joy, sexuality, passion, sensitivity, and love.
Pink signifies romance, love, and friendship. It denotes feminine qualities and passiveness.
Dark red is associated with vigor, willpower, rage, anger, leadership, courage, longing, malice, and wrath.
Brown suggests stability and denotes masculine qualities.
Reddish-brown is associated with harvest and fall.


Posted Image Blue

Blue is the color of the sky and sea. It is often associated with depth and stability. It symbolizes trust, loyalty, wisdom, confidence, intelligence, faith, truth, and heaven.

Blue is considered beneficial to the mind and body. It slows human metabolism and produces a calming effect. Blue is strongly associated with tranquility and calmness. In heraldry, blue is used to symbolize piety and sincerity.

You can use blue to promote products and services related to cleanliness (water purification filters, cleaning liquids, vodka), air and sky (airlines, airports, air conditioners), water and sea (sea voyages, mineral water). As opposed to emotionally warm colors like red, orange, and yellow; blue is linked to consciousness and intellect. Use blue to suggest precision when promoting high-tech products.

Blue is a masculine color; according to studies, it is highly accepted among males. Dark blue is associated with depth, expertise, and stability; it is a preferred color for corporate America.

Avoid using blue when promoting food and cooking, because blue suppresses appetite. When used together with warm colors like yellow or red, blue can create high-impact, vibrant designs; for example, blue-yellow-red is a perfect color scheme for a superhero.

Light blue
is associated with health, healing, tranquility, understanding, and softness.
Dark blue represents knowledge, power, integrity, and seriousness.


Posted Image Green

Green is the color of nature. It symbolizes growth, harmony, freshness, and fertility. Green has strong emotional correspondence with safety. Dark green is also commonly associated with money.

Green has great healing power. It is the most restful color for the human eye; it can improve vision. Green suggests stability and endurance. Sometimes green denotes lack of experience; for example, a 'greenhorn' is a novice. In heraldry, green indicates growth and hope. Green, as opposed to red, means safety; it is the color of free passage in road traffic.

Use green to indicate safety when advertising drugs and medical products. Green is directly related to nature, so you can use it to promote 'green' products. Dull, darker green is commonly associated with money, the financial world, banking, and Wall Street.

Dark green
is associated with ambition, greed, and jealousy.
Yellow-green can indicate sickness, cowardice, discord, and jealousy.
Aqua is associated with emotional healing and protection.
Olive green is the traditional color of peace.

Edited for formatting.


The psychology behind the colors in the scene (and the maligned cinematics afterwards) adds exponentially to the intrigue level, especially since BioWare seems not only to have broken from our previous conceptions of them at that point, but also twisted them in a 180-degree angle.  It's unquestionably very meta, for lack of a better word.  

I firmly believe that BioWare achieved something pretty brilliant with the psychology in the catalyst's conversation, no matter what, and how it made us "feel" like we were in the shoes of an aloof Sherlock Shepard caught in the manipulation of the Reapers' leash-holder---armed with nothing but the knowledge we've built over the series through Shepard's harships. 

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Well I'm looking at the galaxy map right before priority Earth and I think I cam pick out

Omega nebula
Hawking Eta
Pangea Expanse

Thats just what I think though I'm lousy at reading maps.

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blooregard wrote...

Well I'm looking at the galaxy map right before priority Earth and I think I cam pick out

Omega nebula
Hawking Eta
Pangea Expanse

Thats just what I think though I'm lousy at reading maps.


Hawking Eta was Geth incursion in ME1 wasn't it?

Pangea Expanse isn't ringing a bell with anything major, but I am at work and my brain is wired to that at the moment.

Edit: Haha, wait, I'm an idiot! Wasn't it Ilos?

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