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I told the Reapers "You want it? Take it!".MaximizedAction wrote...
UltimateTobi wrote...
I never had that bond "OMG humanity will fall, nooez. :'(". I cared about the whole galaxy as a whole. Not specifically humanity.
Same here! I never get this obligated "humanity first" bs and Take Back Earth blah blah that was the seller for ME3, what about the rest? Why not take back the galaxy?
Wait a minute, did Cerberus do the marketing and the Reapers the programming of ME3?
Listen to yourself...paxxton wrote...
I told the Reapers "You want it? Take it!".MaximizedAction wrote...
UltimateTobi wrote...
I never had that bond "OMG humanity will fall, nooez. :'(". I cared about the whole galaxy as a whole. Not specifically humanity.
Same here! I never get this obligated "humanity first" bs and Take Back Earth blah blah that was the seller for ME3, what about the rest? Why not take back the galaxy?
Wait a minute, did Cerberus do the marketing and the Reapers the programming of ME3?
I'm indoctrinated. Yahoooo!!!!UltimateTobi wrote...
Listen to yourself...paxxton wrote...
I told the Reapers "You want it? Take it!".MaximizedAction wrote...
UltimateTobi wrote...
I never had that bond "OMG humanity will fall, nooez. :'(". I cared about the whole galaxy as a whole. Not specifically humanity.
Same here! I never get this obligated "humanity first" bs and Take Back Earth blah blah that was the seller for ME3, what about the rest? Why not take back the galaxy?
Wait a minute, did Cerberus do the marketing and the Reapers the programming of ME3?
Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:17 .
paxxton wrote...
I told the Reapers "You want it? Take it!".
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:18 .
Modifié par UltimateTobi, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:18 .
paxxton wrote...
I'm indoctrinated. Yahoooo!!!!UltimateTobi wrote...
Listen to yourself...paxxton wrote...
I told the Reapers "You want it? Take it!".MaximizedAction wrote...
UltimateTobi wrote...
I never had that bond "OMG humanity will fall, nooez. :'(". I cared about the whole galaxy as a whole. Not specifically humanity.
Same here! I never get this obligated "humanity first" bs and Take Back Earth blah blah that was the seller for ME3, what about the rest? Why not take back the galaxy?
Wait a minute, did Cerberus do the marketing and the Reapers the programming of ME3?
:DB)
Modifié par Gwyphon, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:18 .
Gwyphon wrote...
There are some tweets saying that EDI doesn't die from destroy.
Linky linky: www.youtube.com/watch
Bing!v0rt3x22 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
I'm indoctrinated. Yahoooo!!!!UltimateTobi wrote...
Listen to yourself...paxxton wrote...
I told the Reapers "You want it? Take it!".MaximizedAction wrote...
UltimateTobi wrote...
I never had that bond "OMG humanity will fall, nooez. :'(". I cared about the whole galaxy as a whole. Not specifically humanity.
Same here! I never get this obligated "humanity first" bs and Take Back Earth blah blah that was the seller for ME3, what about the rest? Why not take back the galaxy?
Wait a minute, did Cerberus do the marketing and the Reapers the programming of ME3?
Nobody uses Yahooooo.
Gooooooogle!!!!!!!
From what I understand if the Geth are gone Starchild
changes his destroy describtion to "and most of the
technology you rely on" or something similar. Dont know if
that changed with EC though.
That was before EC, it was presumably a glitch that EDI could still appear in the destroy scene and no one told Merizan.Gwyphon wrote...
There are some tweets saying that EDI doesn't die from destroy.
Linky linky: www.youtube.com/watch
MaximizedAction wrote...
Gwyphon wrote...
There are some tweets saying that EDI doesn't die from destroy.
Linky linky: www.youtube.com/watch
Still, she shows up on the memorial wall.
Who said there was no way out?, I certainly did not.Simon_Says wrote...
The problem I see with the idea that the Normandy pickup scene isn't real is the space scenes later. How and why would Shepard be aware of the space scenes?Then the series truly ends on a downer ending, because there wasn't any way out? How do you explain the breath scene then?DJBare wrote...
Does it really?, I wonder, as I've said before, each of the options is what the different Shepards(players) WANT, very few pick reject, but is that not the point of indoctrintion, to show the victim what they WANT to see, in which case even destroy can be a deception, Bioware knows most will have opted for destroy, after all it's what all Shepard's set out to do, destroy the reapers, so basically the destroy option is the biggest honeypot trap, all three are traps in my opinion, but destroy now stands out as the biggest to me.BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well if you consider the choices, destroy is the only one that fits that bill.
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I watched Scary Movie 3.MaximizedAction wrote...
paxxton wrote...
I told the Reapers "You want it? Take it!".
Listen to some Jordan Chase CDs?
No problem.Either.Ardrey wrote...
---wall 'o' text warning, but it should answer your questions if you read it---Iconoclaste wrote...
From the files, nowhere is "concrete" mentioned, only "rubble". The Citadel's broken bits can be "rubble" as much as anything else, on Thessia, in London, on Tuchanka, etc.
From the "Control" ending, we can see clearly that Shepard's head, just for that part, is made of more than just skin and bones.
But I won't start an argument now, I've read the previous pages and I can understand you people must be still under a little anger from the previous annoyances, so I'll leave you with a good-nite.
From the sound of it, you (iconoclaste) probably won't read this until way later, but this pyramid is something I wanted to add to after I read it. I just got back, so sorry it's a bit late.
Shepard is ejected sideways towards the presidium ring's inner side, or if he misses the ring, he then lands on one of the arms : the circular area where he is with the catalyst is opposite to the presidium tower, if is gets pushed flat on the ground, he either has a chance to end up against one of the walls surrounding the "decision" area, as much as to slip through one of the many gaps between these walls, which are not very tall by the way. If he's pushed with an angle from the floor, then he just goes above these walls and can either land in the inner part of the presidium ring, or on one of the arms protuding behind the ring. In essence, the only thing "blowing" close to Shepard is the red "destroy" tube, and from the cutscene, even after red flaming gas engulfs him, we can see as soon as these "flames" recede that Shepard is still standing straight in front of the tube, ready for another round. The first "red sphere" from the Crucible action starts at the middle point up on the Presidium Tower, on the other side of the platform where Shepard is standing. To see where Shepard could easily have landed have a look at the cutscenes in ME1 when Sovereign docks with the Presidium Tower, you will see the Citadel's arms cover each side behind the ring when closed, and still have a good lenght at the "bottom" part ("behind the Citadel") when the Citadel is "open".Either.Ardrey wrote...
In one of your earlier posts in the pyramid, you said something which led me to be confused. The thing about the red wave moving faster than the objects being moved by it. It left me thinking, "And? Then what?" mainly because it seemed incomplete. From what I gathered from your description, you stopped at the point while Shepard was in space (unless you're saying that he's still in that room on the Citadel? I can't really tell at the moment). If you wish to elaborate a little more clearly on that one point, I, for one, would appreciate it.
There is no concrete at all mentioned in the files, even in the sets related to London, hence why I say that IT is deliberately making up that this is "concrete". This is one of the points that were lenghtily discussed many times, but it still comes up for IT as "concrete", whereas in every "level" the structural debris are labeled "rubble". This is a widely used (and reused) asset in the game, I will not go further in this because, like you just wrote, there is no way with this material alone to tell where the "breath scene" is happening.Either.Ardrey wrote...
Next, I'll address this comment. You say there is no "concrete" in the files, but from what I can see, that's a moot point, because the breath scene is a pre-rendered video. There are no internal files to look through. Only the BIK that's titled something like Shep_Alive. It could easily be anywhere for all we know, because they obscured it with fog and rubble 'n' stuff. And I think that was the entire point of it being pre-rendered. They didn't want us going into the files and immediately discovering where it is, whether it was the Citadel, Earth, or anywhere else.
Since I clearly explained why Shepard could very well be on the Citadel after the crucible fired, I don't see why you address "atmospheric re-entry". I just wish to point out that in the "small planet" scenario, the few hundred km acceleration required to reach the ground, plus the very thin atmosphere to slow Shepard's fall, are going to make him speed up like a bullet before reaching ground. But that's not my point, Shepard never re-enters Earth's atmosphere.Either.Ardrey wrote...
Next I'll add to the atmospheric reentry, because I felt that it hasn't been properly re-elaborated on. The set-up for ME2's reentry was called an ideal scenario in terms of how close Shepard could've gotten before being unable to bring back. The list goes on with these points: The planet Shepard landed on was smaller than Earth, with weaker gravity; the planet also had a thinner atmosphere than Earth; Shepard landed in a frozen area to aid in preservation; Shepard's helmet protected his brain (the most important part); and Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes when he was found.
Next up we have the ME3 ending crash scenario. Earth has more gravity, thicker atmosphere meaning greater speed, greater friction, and greater impact (and that's if he doesn't burn to crisp before landing). The breath scene is in a more habitable climate, meaning faster decay (if time became an issue, which wouldn't be the case hopefully in this specific scenario). Also, Shepard had no helmet to protect him in the final scenes. All in all, this adds up to a Shepard that is even more meat and tubes than he was at the beginning of ME2.
You write that Shepard is "completely recognizable as a human" yet we cannot see anything than the N7 armor, which is badly burnt. Shepard's "synthetic parts" are not deemed to be "Reaper tech", but "Cerberus tech". As much as we can see that guns and vehicles don't get destroyed at all on Earth when the "red magic wave" passes around the soldiers, we can assume that Shepards will not suffer any predicament announced by the Catalyst, which only says "MAYBE", by the way. And I will remind you that IT has proposed MANY TIMES lately that "the Catalyst is a liar". In the present case, he's not even lying, he's just speculating about Shepard's synthetic components.Either.Ardrey wrote...
Now lets look at the breath scene. Shepard is completely recognizable as a human being. Shepard is also functioning and aware enough to draw in a breath. And this is after he would have traveled through space without a helmet for a bit before crashing down to Earth's surface. And that was after the red wave (if indeed real) shut down many, if not all, of Shepard's synthetic systems (the kid could be lying about this, but if he lied, then everything's questionable. Regardless, Shepard would be beyond dead in this scenario even if his synthetic portions were still working).
This leads us to the two big scenarios
(there could be others, but these are the big two).
1. The breath scene takes place on the Citadel, the Destroy thing explodes and lands on Shep, and the explosions seen take place not where Shepard is.
2. The breath scene takes place on Earth, meaning Shep was never on the Citadel physically.
There is no "fog" in that scene, only lots of dust related to the debris. There is surely "wind" wherever there is gas in movement, and a vacuum sucking air is making wind, an explosion pushing whole blocks of concrete will also make wind, etc. We are not expecting Bioware to make a scientific documentary about the effects of explosions in space, or about the intricate properties and mechanisms of the whole Citadel, but it suffices to believe that there are lots of places that support atmospheric "pressure" on the Citadel, as explained in the Codex, even with "open skies".Either.Ardrey wrote...
With that in mind, we analyze the scene as given to us. The first thing noticeable, besides the rubble, is the atmosphere. It is foggy and atmospheric, obscuring the view. This is a feature that would be very difficult, if not impossible, to achieve on the Citadel, so a point goes more to Earth for plausibility of this phenomenon. And then there is the wind. Wind is never heard (as far as I can recall. Please correct me if this is not the case) on the Citadel, so another point goes to Earth for favorable plausibility. Next is the rubble itself. Is it made out of Citadel stuff or Earth stuff? Only one item in mind comes up as possibly on the Citadel. The geth/reaper/whatever cables. Those are also on Earth (in fact they're almost everywhere in the game). Everything else matches perfectly to Earth materials, while not at all to Citadel materials, let alone the materials in the decision room, so again, point Earth plausibility. Then the scene moves on to Shepard themself. Shepard is laying on top of most of the rubble. If it were on the Citadel, Shep should be lying on a clean, flat floor with Destroy machine debris on top of Shep, burying them. However, as I said, Shep was on top of most of the rubble, meaning that it was there before Shep was.
Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:35 .
Saren made it though. He woke up... too late.comrade gando wrote...
didn't saren say that he "has seen the future"? a union of flesh and steel? Same thing probably happened to saren and he picked synthesis, look how he turned out.
wake up shepard
Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:36 .
UltimateTobi wrote...
"What I would like to see is your opinion on how similar the ends are."
"my personal take: red-save my friends blue-rebuild relays green-singularity! OR should I trust what I just saw? ;)"
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:36 .
I read a lot here, since that's what most people here ask visitors to do. I only answer to "a lot of text", and I do my best to keep it on topic. Sorry for that.paxxton wrote...
That's a lot of text Iconoclaste.
Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:41 .
I didn't mean to complain.Iconoclaste wrote...
I read a lot here, since that's what most people here ask visitors to do. I only answer to "a lot of text", and I do my best to keep it on topic. Sorry for that.paxxton wrote...
That's a lot of text Iconoclaste.
Walls of text are welcome in this thread.
MaximizedAction wrote...
Besides, she knows what the IT fans dig.
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