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[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
Besides, she knows what the IT fans dig.

Attractive women who dress as Hawke occasionally?

this is usually where lex0r would intervene...

[BleedingUranium]

Lord Goose wrote...

It is actually possible to not care about blacks at all. As player and as Shepard.

I'm doing renegade playthrough with female Shepard (Judith Shepard, Ruthless, Colonist) and just finished Rannoch mission.

It is possible to agree with idea of destroying the blacks in the beginning. It is possible to criticise Mr Black Guy for lying at least three times. It is possible to make decision ''the blacks should die'' and use renegade interruption to tell Mr Black Guy what he and his kind are just blacks, hacked by the Reapers, and they should be destroyed as payback for siding with the Reapers.

If you do so, it would be impossible to even think about peace at first. First choice would be between ''let Mr Black Guy upload the code'' and ''let blacks die''. If you choose the latter, Mr Black Guy will try to persuade Shepard to let them live, because they can help save Earth.

Only after that it is possible to establish peace between them.

Now can someone tell me, what makes Reapers think that Judith Shepard would not choose Destroy because of blacks and Miss Arab Girl? They are obviously can read her mind, because visions are different for Renegade and Paragon.

If you've changed your opinion after I reworded it, then you're simply racist.

[v0rt3x22]

Iconoclaste wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That's a lot of text Iconoclaste.

I read a lot here, since that's what most people here ask visitors to do. I only answer to "a lot of text", and I do my best to keep it on topic. Sorry for that.

We're gamers - not literature graduates 

[Iconoclaste]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

It is actually possible to not care about blacks at all. As player and as Shepard.

I'm doing renegade playthrough with female Shepard (Judith Shepard, Ruthless, Colonist) and just finished Rannoch mission.

It is possible to agree with idea of destroying the blacks in the beginning. It is possible to criticise Mr Black Guy for lying at least three times. It is possible to make decision ''the blacks should die'' and use renegade interruption to tell Mr Black Guy what he and his kind are just blacks, hacked by the Reapers, and they should be destroyed as payback for siding with the Reapers.

If you do so, it would be impossible to even think about peace at first. First choice would be between ''let Mr Black Guy upload the code'' and ''let blacks die''. If you choose the latter, Mr Black Guy will try to persuade Shepard to let them live, because they can help save Earth.

Only after that it is possible to establish peace between them.

Now can someone tell me, what makes Reapers think that Judith Shepard would not choose Destroy because of blacks and Miss Arab Girl? They are obviously can read her mind, because visions are different for Renegade and Paragon.

If you've changed your opinion after I reworded it, then you're simply racist.

This is going too far, for the both of you, and will have this thread locked in no time. Please refrain from using those themes here.

[Dwailing]

 OK, I'm going to add my little bit of speculation regarding the Conduit/Decision Chamber overlay from yesterday.  This fits with Waking Nightmare Theory. (Heads up, wall of text incoming.)  My wonder now is, given how well the two match up, maybe Shepard had STARTED breaking free from the indoctrination attempt after the Anderson/TIM scene, and was actually awake but in what is a more literal hallucination (I.E. He's seeing things that aren't there or he's seeing things that are there but he's just not seeing them as they really are.).  Now, if so, then this would open some new possibilities.  

That would make the Synthesis beam the "Conduit" beam.  Which means that Shepard would be thrown into the Citadel (The force of the impact from being sent up there being enough to wake him up.), indoctinated (Because he chose Synthesis.), and he would open the arms and dock the Crucible (My personal beliefs are that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap and they needed all the fleets in one place to use it to its fullest potential.  That would explain why that brought the Citadel to Earth.), securing Reaper victory.  

In Control, Shepard might be walking over to some kind of electrical panel on the side of the Conduit, and if he grabs it, he'll be fried (And indoctrinated for choosing Control.).  At this point, he'd snap out of the hallucination, and he'd be indoctrinated (And possibly in very bad condition.).  Then, even though he'd be too badly wounded to go to the Citadel (Due to being fried by large amounts of electricity.), he could be evac'ed to receive medical attention, and he could be used as a sleeper agent.

In Destroy, Shepard would walk over to some kind of conduit or explosive of some sort, and he would shoot it, presumably, with a Predator.  The pain from the explosion combined with his resistance of the indoc attempt would snap him out of it, but he would be buried under rubble and pretty badly wounded, and he would have to be found by someone else.  This could be why the kid presents the choice of Destroy.  Even if Shepard's will is too powerful to succumb to indoctrination (This is Destroy after all, it's definitely a way to break free from indoctrination.), he can still hurt Shepard when he breaks free. 

Finally, Rejection.  In Rejection, Shepard realizes, at least subconsciously, that something is wrong.  So, he refuses to take any of the choices.  This has two consequences.  On a mental level, Shepard has broken free from indoctrination by refusing to take any of the choices presented by Star-Brat.  However, Shepard has NOT received any kind of jolt to snap him completely out of the hallucination.  So, now, Shepard needs something to snap him out of it.  This could be his LI, Anderson (In the event that he doesn't have a LI.), or someone or something completely different. 

Now, I know this is a wild hypothesis, and I acknowledge that it might not be the most likely, but I think that something like this would work pretty well.  Also, I give due credit to Arian Dynas for the idea about the "Control" panel  being some kind of electric thing (It was in his ending script.).

Modifié par Dwailing, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:53 .

[BleedingUranium]

Iconoclaste wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

It is actually possible to not care about blacks at all. As player and as Shepard.

I'm doing renegade playthrough with female Shepard (Judith Shepard, Ruthless, Colonist) and just finished Rannoch mission.

It is possible to agree with idea of destroying the blacks in the beginning. It is possible to criticise Mr Black Guy for lying at least three times. It is possible to make decision ''the blacks should die'' and use renegade interruption to tell Mr Black Guy what he and his kind are just blacks, hacked by the Reapers, and they should be destroyed as payback for siding with the Reapers.

If you do so, it would be impossible to even think about peace at first. First choice would be between ''let Mr Black Guy upload the code'' and ''let blacks die''. If you choose the latter, Mr Black Guy will try to persuade Shepard to let them live, because they can help save Earth.

Only after that it is possible to establish peace between them.

Now can someone tell me, what makes Reapers think that Judith Shepard would not choose Destroy because of blacks and Miss Arab Girl? They are obviously can read her mind, because visions are different for Renegade and Paragon.

If you've changed your opinion after I reworded it, then you're simply racist.

This is going too far, for the both of you, and will have this thread locked in no time. Please refrain from using those themes here.

No it's not, he was trolling, I made fun of him by pointing out that not liking synthetics is no different than any other kind of racism, against human races, or any non-Geth ME species. I could've replaced "Geth" with any other human race, or Asari, Krogan, Turian, Salarian, etc. It's all the same.

[Iconoclaste]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That's a lot of text Iconoclaste.

I read a lot here, since that's what most people here ask visitors to do. I only answer to "a lot of text", and I do my best to keep it on topic. Sorry for that.

We're gamers - not literature graduates 

I do not expect you to read something you do not wish to read, but let me ask you this : since IT relies on a whole lot of text, in fact a whole lot more than the tiny bit I posted here, do you mean that you defend IT without having read all its corpus of evidence? Or are you suggesting that IT can be explained through walls of text, that's ok, but the rebuttals will not benefit the same right?

[v0rt3x22]

Iconoclaste wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

paxxton wrote...

That's a lot of text Iconoclaste.

I read a lot here, since that's what most people here ask visitors to do. I only answer to "a lot of text", and I do my best to keep it on topic. Sorry for that.

We're gamers - not literature graduates 

I do not expect you to read something you do not wish to read, but let me ask you this : since IT relies on a whole lot of text, in fact a whole lot more than the tiny bit I posted here, do you mean that you defend IT without having read all its corpus of evidence? Or are you suggesting that IT can be explained through walls of text, that's ok, but the rebuttals will not benefit the same right?

I was kidding 

I'm not bothered by long text and appreciate your input 

[Dwailing]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

It is actually possible to not care about blacks at all. As player and as Shepard.

I'm doing renegade playthrough with female Shepard (Judith Shepard, Ruthless, Colonist) and just finished Rannoch mission.

It is possible to agree with idea of destroying the blacks in the beginning. It is possible to criticise Mr Black Guy for lying at least three times. It is possible to make decision ''the blacks should die'' and use renegade interruption to tell Mr Black Guy what he and his kind are just blacks, hacked by the Reapers, and they should be destroyed as payback for siding with the Reapers.

If you do so, it would be impossible to even think about peace at first. First choice would be between ''let Mr Black Guy upload the code'' and ''let blacks die''. If you choose the latter, Mr Black Guy will try to persuade Shepard to let them live, because they can help save Earth.

Only after that it is possible to establish peace between them.

Now can someone tell me, what makes Reapers think that Judith Shepard would not choose Destroy because of blacks and Miss Arab Girl? They are obviously can read her mind, because visions are different for Renegade and Paragon.

If you've changed your opinion after I reworded it, then you're simply racist.

Bleeding...  This might be a little extreme.  Still, I acknowledge your point.

[smokingotter1]

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I'm going to add my little bit of speculation regarding the Conduit/Decision Chamber overlay from yesterday.  This fits with Waking Nightmare Theory. (Heads up, wall of text incoming.)  My wonder now is, given how well the two match up, maybe Shepard had STARTED breaking free from the indoctrination attempt after the Anderson/TIM scene, and was actually awake but in what is a more literal hallucination (I.E. He's seeing things that aren't there or he's seeing things that are there but he's just not seeing them as they really are.).  Now, if so, then this would open some new possibilities.  

That would make the Synthesis beam the "Conduit" beam.  Which means that Shepard would be thrown into the Citadel (The force of the impact from being sent up there being enough to wake him up.), indoctinated (Because he chose Synthesis.), and he would open the arms and dock the Crucible (My personal beliefs are that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap and they needed all the fleets in one place to use it to its fullest potential.  That would explain why that brought the Citadel to Earth.), securing Reaper victory.  

In Control, Shepard might be walking over to some kind of electrical panel on the side of the Conduit, and if he grabs it, he'll be fried (And indoctrinated for choosing Control.).  At this point, he'd snap out of the hallucination, and he'd be indoctrinated (And possibly in very bad condition.).  Then, even though he'd be too badly wounded to go to the Citadel (Due to being fried by large amounts of electricity.), he could be evac'ed to receive medical attention, and he could be used as a sleeper agent.

In Destroy, Shepard would walk over to some kind of conduit or explosive of some sort, and he would shoot it, presumably, with a Predator.  The pain from the explosion combined with his resistance of the indoc attempt would snap him out of it, but he would be buried under rubble and pretty badly wounded, and he would have to be found by someone else.  This could be why the kid presents the choice of Destroy.  Even if Shepard's will is too powerful to succumb to indoctrination (This is Destroy after all, it's definitely a way to break free from indoctrination.), he can still hurt Shepard when he breaks free. 

Finally, Rejection.  In Rejection, Shepard realizes, at least subconsciously, that something is wrong.  So, he refuses to take any of the choices.  This has two consequences.  On a mental level, Shepard has broken free from indoctrination by refusing to take any of the choices presented by Star-Brat.  However, Shepard has NOT received any kind of jolt to snap him completely out of the hallucination.  So, now, Shepard needs something to snap him out of it.  This could be his LI, Anderson (In the event that he doesn't have a LI.), or someone or something completely different. 

Now, I know this is a wild theory, and I acknowledge that it might not be the most likely, but I think that something like this would work pretty well.  Also, I give due credit to Arian Dynas for the idea about the "Control" panel  being some kind of electric thing (It was in his ending script.).

Overlay theorist here... Shepard dies in rejection because he's out int he open. Control, sythesis is Shepard walking into Harbinger's beam and being fried by energy.

We keep thinking indoctrinating Shepard is the end all be all. Yes the reapers want to indoctrinate Shepard, but they have also on my occassions tried to kill him as well. In the conduit beam run Shepard is getting a little too close to the crucible for comfort. The decision chamber only has one right answer and it invovles whether or not you want to dodge Harbinger's beam or not, nothing else is at steak...

mmm... steak....<3

[CoolioThane]

Iconoclaste, he's just stating that the Geth and synthetics are just as much a galactic race as the Salarians and Humans.

It wasn't long ago that African American and African Caribbean people weren't treated equally or with any respect. This could be seen as similar to the synthetic situation.

It's not offensive to suggest this.

[RavenEyry]

@Iconoclaste You make a good argument for it being possibly survivable if it was on the citadel but I still think falling to Earth would be rather fatal, and I believe it to be on Earth due to the sounds rather than the sights. (Sights which could easily be in either place, although it looks more like Earth to me.)

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

It is actually possible to not care about blacks at all. As player and as Shepard.

I'm doing renegade playthrough with female Shepard (Judith Shepard, Ruthless, Colonist) and just finished Rannoch mission.

It is possible to agree with idea of destroying the blacks in the beginning. It is possible to criticise Mr Black Guy for lying at least three times. It is possible to make decision ''the blacks should die'' and use renegade interruption to tell Mr Black Guy what he and his kind are just blacks, hacked by the Reapers, and they should be destroyed as payback for siding with the Reapers.

If you do so, it would be impossible to even think about peace at first. First choice would be between ''let Mr Black Guy upload the code'' and ''let blacks die''. If you choose the latter, Mr Black Guy will try to persuade Shepard to let them live, because they can help save Earth.

Only after that it is possible to establish peace between them.

Now can someone tell me, what makes Reapers think that Judith Shepard would not choose Destroy because of blacks and Miss Arab Girl? They are obviously can read her mind, because visions are different for Renegade and Paragon.

If you've changed your opinion after I reworded it, then you're simply racist.

Bleeding...  This might be a little extreme.  Still, I acknowledge your point.

I'm glad you get the point, but how is it extreme? Teaching us that the Geth are no different than organics, in the sense that they are, whatever the term you want to use to define a "person", was the entire point of Legion's missions in ME3. And of EDI's whole arc.

To quote Legion: "We fail to see a meaningful distinction".


'd by CoolioThane

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:59 .

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I'm going to add my little bit of speculation regarding the Conduit/Decision Chamber overlay from yesterday.  This fits with Waking Nightmare Theory. (Heads up, wall of text incoming.)  My wonder now is, given how well the two match up, maybe Shepard had STARTED breaking free from the indoctrination attempt after the Anderson/TIM scene, and was actually awake but in what is a more literal hallucination (I.E. He's seeing things that aren't there or he's seeing things that are there but he's just not seeing them as they really are.).  Now, if so, then this would open some new possibilities.  

That would make the Synthesis beam the "Conduit" beam.  Which means that Shepard would be thrown into the Citadel (The force of the impact from being sent up there being enough to wake him up.), indoctinated (Because he chose Synthesis.), and he would open the arms and dock the Crucible (My personal beliefs are that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap and they needed all the fleets in one place to use it to its fullest potential.  That would explain why that brought the Citadel to Earth.), securing Reaper victory.  

In Control, Shepard might be walking over to some kind of electrical panel on the side of the Conduit, and if he grabs it, he'll be fried (And indoctrinated for choosing Control.).  At this point, he'd snap out of the hallucination, and he'd be indoctrinated (And possibly in very bad condition.).  Then, even though he'd be too badly wounded to go to the Citadel (Due to being fried by large amounts of electricity.), he could be evac'ed to receive medical attention, and he could be used as a sleeper agent.

In Destroy, Shepard would walk over to some kind of conduit or explosive of some sort, and he would shoot it, presumably, with a Predator.  The pain from the explosion combined with his resistance of the indoc attempt would snap him out of it, but he would be buried under rubble and pretty badly wounded, and he would have to be found by someone else.  This could be why the kid presents the choice of Destroy.  Even if Shepard's will is too powerful to succumb to indoctrination (This is Destroy after all, it's definitely a way to break free from indoctrination.), he can still hurt Shepard when he breaks free. 

Finally, Rejection.  In Rejection, Shepard realizes, at least subconsciously, that something is wrong.  So, he refuses to take any of the choices.  This has two consequences.  On a mental level, Shepard has broken free from indoctrination by refusing to take any of the choices presented by Star-Brat.  However, Shepard has NOT received any kind of jolt to snap him completely out of the hallucination.  So, now, Shepard needs something to snap him out of it.  This could be his LI, Anderson (In the event that he doesn't have a LI.), or someone or something completely different. 

Now, I know this is a wild hypothesis, and I acknowledge that it might not be the most likely, but I think that something like this would work pretty well.  Also, I give due credit to Arian Dynas for the idea about the "Control" panel  being some kind of electric thing (It was in his ending script.).

No, it's good. But what would Shep do in Synthesis once he opened the arms? If the Crucible is a trap then this is even worse than being a sleeper agent in control, since this means a sudden execution of the Reapers' plans.

[Iconoclaste]

BleedingUranium wrote...

No it's not, he was trolling, I made fun of him by pointing out that not liking synthetics is no different than any other kind of racism, against human races, or any non-Geth ME species. I could've replaced "Geth" with any other human race, or Asari, Krogan, Turian, Salarian, etc. It's all the same.

No, it's not the same : black people and "arabs" are part of the human species, and the "race" distinction based on physical characteristics is a weak theory that's been buried in shame by actual genetics. Asari, Quarians and other "species" all have their "variations" among them, just like mankind. Comparing "fantasy world species" among them has nothing to do with comparing members of a same species.

[BleedingUranium]

Iconoclaste wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

No it's not, he was trolling, I made fun of him by pointing out that not liking synthetics is no different than any other kind of racism, against human races, or any non-Geth ME species. I could've replaced "Geth" with any other human race, or Asari, Krogan, Turian, Salarian, etc. It's all the same.

No, it's not the same : black people and "arabs" are part of the human species, and the "race" distinction based on physical characteristics is a weak theory that's been buried in shame by actual genetics. Asari, Quarians and other "species" all have their "variations" among them, just like mankind. Comparing "fantasy world species" among them has nothing to do with comparing members of a same species.

Very true, comparing to other species would be more accurate, but since the only species I could compare them to would all be fictional, it doesn't work the same for the person reading it. I was comparing the treatment of synthetics to the treatment of, in this case, blacks less than 100 years ago. Comparing to real life racism is the only way to get the point across.

CoolioThane wrote...

Iconoclaste, he's just stating that the Geth and synthetics are just as much a galactic race as the Salarians and Humans.

It wasn't long ago that African American and African Caribbean people weren't treated equally or with any respect. This could be seen as similar to the synthetic situation.

It's not offensive to suggest this.

That's exactly what I meant

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:03 .

[BleedingUranium]

*snip*

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:03 .

[paxxton]

If the Citadel was orbiting Earth above the same hemisphere Mars was at the moment, maybe Shepard fell on Mars. It has a narrow atmosphere.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:06 .

[RavenEyry]

Iconoclaste wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

No it's not, he was trolling, I made fun of him by pointing out that not liking synthetics is no different than any other kind of racism, against human races, or any non-Geth ME species. I could've replaced "Geth" with any other human race, or Asari, Krogan, Turian, Salarian, etc. It's all the same.

No, it's not the same : black people and "arabs" are part of the human species, and the "race" distinction based on physical characteristics is a weak theory that's been buried in shame by actual genetics. Asari, Quarians and other "species" all have their "variations" among them, just like mankind. Comparing "fantasy world species" among them has nothing to do with comparing members of a same species.

I agree, you should have put 'turians' or such. If they only care about humans, well, that's not good, but it's better than considering turians above the geth just because they were created naturally.

"It is not the circumstances of ones birth that determine who you are, but what you choose to do with the gift of life" I think the geth used their lives well. Better than many humans at least.

[Iconoclaste]

RavenEyry wrote...

@Iconoclaste You make a good argument for it being possibly survivable if it was on the citadel but I still think falling to Earth would be rather fatal, and I believe it to be on Earth due to the sounds rather than the sights. (Sights which could easily be in either place, although it looks more like Earth to me.)

I will never propose that Shepard falls to Earth, that would be completely undefendable by any means. EC showed us the Citadel remaining in orbit with no sign of falling towards Earth in any short delay. I think it was done for the purpose of counter-argument to people that said the Citadel fell on Earth after the blast and destroyed most of it.

I just wished to point out that what Bioware staff said (I know, it's "only" Merizan...) about "Shepard being alive on the Citadel, with possible reunion with LI afterwards" is quite possible, at face value that is. And that doesn't remove a possible "semi-indoc state of hallucination" in the Catalyst dialogue scene. Shepard just collapses in front of the small console "downstairs" and "dreams" about this Catalyst dialogue. That makes him even more prone to survive, since he is "shielded" from any "blast" or "vacuum" by the walls and ceiling of TIM / Anderson / Shep confrontation room.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:10 .

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I'm going to add my little bit of speculation regarding the Conduit/Decision Chamber overlay from yesterday.  This fits with Waking Nightmare Theory. (Heads up, wall of text incoming.)  My wonder now is, given how well the two match up, maybe Shepard had STARTED breaking free from the indoctrination attempt after the Anderson/TIM scene, and was actually awake but in what is a more literal hallucination (I.E. He's seeing things that aren't there or he's seeing things that are there but he's just not seeing them as they really are.).  Now, if so, then this would open some new possibilities.  

That would make the Synthesis beam the "Conduit" beam.  Which means that Shepard would be thrown into the Citadel (The force of the impact from being sent up there being enough to wake him up.), indoctinated (Because he chose Synthesis.), and he would open the arms and dock the Crucible (My personal beliefs are that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap and they needed all the fleets in one place to use it to its fullest potential.  That would explain why that brought the Citadel to Earth.), securing Reaper victory.  

In Control, Shepard might be walking over to some kind of electrical panel on the side of the Conduit, and if he grabs it, he'll be fried (And indoctrinated for choosing Control.).  At this point, he'd snap out of the hallucination, and he'd be indoctrinated (And possibly in very bad condition.).  Then, even though he'd be too badly wounded to go to the Citadel (Due to being fried by large amounts of electricity.), he could be evac'ed to receive medical attention, and he could be used as a sleeper agent.

In Destroy, Shepard would walk over to some kind of conduit or explosive of some sort, and he would shoot it, presumably, with a Predator.  The pain from the explosion combined with his resistance of the indoc attempt would snap him out of it, but he would be buried under rubble and pretty badly wounded, and he would have to be found by someone else.  This could be why the kid presents the choice of Destroy.  Even if Shepard's will is too powerful to succumb to indoctrination (This is Destroy after all, it's definitely a way to break free from indoctrination.), he can still hurt Shepard when he breaks free. 

Finally, Rejection.  In Rejection, Shepard realizes, at least subconsciously, that something is wrong.  So, he refuses to take any of the choices.  This has two consequences.  On a mental level, Shepard has broken free from indoctrination by refusing to take any of the choices presented by Star-Brat.  However, Shepard has NOT received any kind of jolt to snap him completely out of the hallucination.  So, now, Shepard needs something to snap him out of it.  This could be his LI, Anderson (In the event that he doesn't have a LI.), or someone or something completely different. 

Now, I know this is a wild hypothesis, and I acknowledge that it might not be the most likely, but I think that something like this would work pretty well.  Also, I give due credit to Arian Dynas for the idea about the "Control" panel  being some kind of electric thing (It was in his ending script.).

No, it's good. But what would Shep do in Synthesis once he opened the arms? If the Crucible is a trap then this is even worse than being a sleeper agent in control, since this means a sudden execution of the Reapers' plans.

There might be an option to have Shepard break free long enough to destroy the Crucible once he learned its true purpose.  However, he would have to sacrifice himself in the process.

[BleedingUranium]

RavenEyry wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

No it's not, he was trolling, I made fun of him by pointing out that not liking synthetics is no different than any other kind of racism, against human races, or any non-Geth ME species. I could've replaced "Geth" with any other human race, or Asari, Krogan, Turian, Salarian, etc. It's all the same.

No, it's not the same : black people and "arabs" are part of the human species, and the "race" distinction based on physical characteristics is a weak theory that's been buried in shame by actual genetics. Asari, Quarians and other "species" all have their "variations" among them, just like mankind. Comparing "fantasy world species" among them has nothing to do with comparing members of a same species.

I agree, you should have put 'turians' or such. If they only care about humans, well, that's not good, but it's better than considering turians above the geth just because they were created naturally.

"It is not the circumstances of ones birth that determine who you are, but what you choose to do with the gift of life" I think the geth used their lives well. Better than many humans at least.

Yes, using Turians or similar would have been more accurate, but using an, until recently, very discriminated human race is much more relatable. The situation is the same, not the comparison.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I'm going to add my little bit of speculation regarding the Conduit/Decision Chamber overlay from yesterday.  This fits with Waking Nightmare Theory. (Heads up, wall of text incoming.)  My wonder now is, given how well the two match up, maybe Shepard had STARTED breaking free from the indoctrination attempt after the Anderson/TIM scene, and was actually awake but in what is a more literal hallucination (I.E. He's seeing things that aren't there or he's seeing things that are there but he's just not seeing them as they really are.).  Now, if so, then this would open some new possibilities.  

That would make the Synthesis beam the "Conduit" beam.  Which means that Shepard would be thrown into the Citadel (The force of the impact from being sent up there being enough to wake him up.), indoctinated (Because he chose Synthesis.), and he would open the arms and dock the Crucible (My personal beliefs are that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap and they needed all the fleets in one place to use it to its fullest potential.  That would explain why that brought the Citadel to Earth.), securing Reaper victory.  

In Control, Shepard might be walking over to some kind of electrical panel on the side of the Conduit, and if he grabs it, he'll be fried (And indoctrinated for choosing Control.).  At this point, he'd snap out of the hallucination, and he'd be indoctrinated (And possibly in very bad condition.).  Then, even though he'd be too badly wounded to go to the Citadel (Due to being fried by large amounts of electricity.), he could be evac'ed to receive medical attention, and he could be used as a sleeper agent.

In Destroy, Shepard would walk over to some kind of conduit or explosive of some sort, and he would shoot it, presumably, with a Predator.  The pain from the explosion combined with his resistance of the indoc attempt would snap him out of it, but he would be buried under rubble and pretty badly wounded, and he would have to be found by someone else.  This could be why the kid presents the choice of Destroy.  Even if Shepard's will is too powerful to succumb to indoctrination (This is Destroy after all, it's definitely a way to break free from indoctrination.), he can still hurt Shepard when he breaks free. 

Finally, Rejection.  In Rejection, Shepard realizes, at least subconsciously, that something is wrong.  So, he refuses to take any of the choices.  This has two consequences.  On a mental level, Shepard has broken free from indoctrination by refusing to take any of the choices presented by Star-Brat.  However, Shepard has NOT received any kind of jolt to snap him completely out of the hallucination.  So, now, Shepard needs something to snap him out of it.  This could be his LI, Anderson (In the event that he doesn't have a LI.), or someone or something completely different. 

Now, I know this is a wild hypothesis, and I acknowledge that it might not be the most likely, but I think that something like this would work pretty well.  Also, I give due credit to Arian Dynas for the idea about the "Control" panel  being some kind of electric thing (It was in his ending script.).

No, it's good. But what would Shep do in Synthesis once he opened the arms? If the Crucible is a trap then this is even worse than being a sleeper agent in control, since this means a sudden execution of the Reapers' plans.

There might be an option to have Shepard break free long enough to destroy the Crucible once he learned its true purpose.  However, he would have to sacrifice himself in the process.

Or maybe TIM should learn the true purpose of the Crucible, and sacrifice himself to destroy it, leaving Shepard free to take down Harbinger!

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
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No, it's good. But what would Shep do in Synthesis once he opened the arms? If the Crucible is a trap then this is even worse than being a sleeper agent in control, since this means a sudden execution of the Reapers' plans.

There might be an option to have Shepard break free long enough to destroy the Crucible once he learned its true purpose.  However, he would have to sacrifice himself in the process.

I think this would leave too much story left to continue without Shepard. The war is yet to be won at this point. Getting rid of Shepard while the fleet is sitting like fish in a barrel would leave A LOT of story left. What happens afterwards? How can the galaxy pull out a win?

If this did happen we would have to play as a different character for at least 5 hours. I can't see this happening .

Edit: I like Uranium's TIM theory. We did say before that it is possible that Shepard had a mental influence during the ending sequence. This would make it possible (I guess) for him to influence TIM. I believe TIM was on the Citadel when it was moved (can I get confirmatino of this) so this is possible. But again, how do we win after this?

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:14 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 OK, I'm going to add my little bit of speculation regarding the Conduit/Decision Chamber overlay from yesterday.  This fits with Waking Nightmare Theory. (Heads up, wall of text incoming.)  My wonder now is, given how well the two match up, maybe Shepard had STARTED breaking free from the indoctrination attempt after the Anderson/TIM scene, and was actually awake but in what is a more literal hallucination (I.E. He's seeing things that aren't there or he's seeing things that are there but he's just not seeing them as they really are.).  Now, if so, then this would open some new possibilities.  

That would make the Synthesis beam the "Conduit" beam.  Which means that Shepard would be thrown into the Citadel (The force of the impact from being sent up there being enough to wake him up.), indoctinated (Because he chose Synthesis.), and he would open the arms and dock the Crucible (My personal beliefs are that the Crucible is some kind of Reaper trap and they needed all the fleets in one place to use it to its fullest potential.  That would explain why that brought the Citadel to Earth.), securing Reaper victory.  

In Control, Shepard might be walking over to some kind of electrical panel on the side of the Conduit, and if he grabs it, he'll be fried (And indoctrinated for choosing Control.).  At this point, he'd snap out of the hallucination, and he'd be indoctrinated (And possibly in very bad condition.).  Then, even though he'd be too badly wounded to go to the Citadel (Due to being fried by large amounts of electricity.), he could be evac'ed to receive medical attention, and he could be used as a sleeper agent.

In Destroy, Shepard would walk over to some kind of conduit or explosive of some sort, and he would shoot it, presumably, with a Predator.  The pain from the explosion combined with his resistance of the indoc attempt would snap him out of it, but he would be buried under rubble and pretty badly wounded, and he would have to be found by someone else.  This could be why the kid presents the choice of Destroy.  Even if Shepard's will is too powerful to succumb to indoctrination (This is Destroy after all, it's definitely a way to break free from indoctrination.), he can still hurt Shepard when he breaks free. 

Finally, Rejection.  In Rejection, Shepard realizes, at least subconsciously, that something is wrong.  So, he refuses to take any of the choices.  This has two consequences.  On a mental level, Shepard has broken free from indoctrination by refusing to take any of the choices presented by Star-Brat.  However, Shepard has NOT received any kind of jolt to snap him completely out of the hallucination.  So, now, Shepard needs something to snap him out of it.  This could be his LI, Anderson (In the event that he doesn't have a LI.), or someone or something completely different. 

Now, I know this is a wild hypothesis, and I acknowledge that it might not be the most likely, but I think that something like this would work pretty well.  Also, I give due credit to Arian Dynas for the idea about the "Control" panel  being some kind of electric thing (It was in his ending script.).

No, it's good. But what would Shep do in Synthesis once he opened the arms? If the Crucible is a trap then this is even worse than being a sleeper agent in control, since this means a sudden execution of the Reapers' plans.

That is why no one cheers in the sequence where the Reapers fly away (which was already in pre EC), in Control it's still a distinction if they cheer or not based on EMS.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 16 juillet 2012 - 04:15 .