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[MegumiAzusa]

SubAstris wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Why there is no wheels in the shep alive scene.
So I took a bit to look up the scene again and I came to the conclusion there just is no wheel and a single screenshot is bad for reference.
We all know:


Now we can make out a small part of the mesh if the let the movie run, instead of a single picture (movement helps immensely in detecting contours)

You can already see it's much too long and a single edge, nothing like a round wheel.
This can be strengthened by letting the movie run again a little and looking as these:

unedited

unedited

Good work, although in fairness that was obvious by, well, just looking at the goddam screenshot

There were too many still believing it's a wheel.

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...
This could equally apply to my personal theory that all ME games are dreams

Based on what evidence?  There's more evidence to assume only the ending sections are.

Actually wait, you use circular logic and ask the same question repeatedly.  Don't bother.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Wow. So many posts! But lots of repeating opinions.

I agree. There are a lot of posts, but people keep repeating opinions.

We have achieved consensus. 

It is assembly line science. The repetition is doing the thinking for us!

[Dwailing]

Iconoclaste wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Guys please stop feeding the troll. just ignore memorysquid, if he cares this much then he can go make an thread of his own disproving IT

Even after I stated I was a troll.  Fun!

Still, is the point of this tread to simply chew over how IT must be true?  No dissension for you! 

In fact, threads disproving IT, back when the mods cared, were immediately shut down and referred to the stickied version.  So you are simply trying to still the voice of dissent.  Not a great way to deal with people who disagree, just saying ...

In fact, disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is too easy. Instead, and I agree with that, people here wish to discuss the validity of elements of their theory, there's nothing wrong with that. I give you that there is a lot of repeating going on, lots of off-topic debates and unrelated pictures, but for a very good part some here are trying to make some sense of the endings, because genuine questions can arise from the face value of the end sequences. Some IT evidence" look very far-fetched, but the bulk of motivation comes from very annoying "mistakes" or "overlookings" by the designers, like the small control room we were just discussing about. Do you hyave an explanation about this room, just as an example?

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

[Andromidius]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
There were too many still believing it's a wheel.

To be fair the picture is very fuzzy and unclear.  There's little 'obvious' about it.

Heck, a lot of people refused to believe it was even Shepard in the scene for quite a while.  It had to be PROVEN!

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Why there is no wheels in the shep alive scene.
So I took a bit to look up the scene again and I came to the conclusion there just is no wheel and a single screenshot is bad for reference.
We all know:


Now we can make out a small part of the mesh if the let the movie run, instead of a single picture (movement helps immensely in detecting contours)

You can already see it's much too long and a single edge, nothing like a round wheel.
This can be strengthened by letting the movie run again a little and looking as these:

unedited

unedited

Good work, although in fairness that was obvious by, well, just looking at the goddam screenshot

There were too many still believing it's a wheel.

It's possible that the wheels were blown off.  Or maybe it's something different.  I don't know.

[Iconoclaste]

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

Of course, when there is "visual" problems with some scene, I hardly see how it can be related to the "writing", good or bad.

[smokingotter1]

The pics look like the side part of the conduit towers from the conduit run.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

I read the whole thing

[SubAstris]

Andromidius wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

No, but I do point out when even the pro-IT propaganda linked to in a pro-IT thread grants that BW didn't literally intend IT.

1) Sure.
2)
Inconsistent writing doesn't entail intention.  Read/listen to the
interviews.  It denotes the chaos of different writing teams spanning
years.
3) Don't want to ****** off the fanbase.  No value whatsoever to doing so.
4)
So?  And whatever they might've said there is some official canon as if
you play each game in the series, some events have taken place even if
you import no saves.
5) Like Shepard's dream sequences?  Or his waking synth hallucination in Overlord?  I don't know what you think this proves.

Again, do you know more about Bioware's intentions?  Please share where you got this information from!

2/
So you're saying Bioware fudged the writing at the last minute, during
the most important section of the story, after writing a really good 95%
of the rest of the story?  Sounds plausible.
3/ The fanbase is already pissed off.  They had nothing to lose.
4/ I guess 'no canon' goes straight over your head.
5/ Yes, because game companies and writers in general love putting in dream sequeuences that have no relivence to the actual story.  And we as consumers need to be told that a dream is a dream.  Sounds legit.

2) You need to analyse the rest of the trilogy if you honestly believe that. Especially ME2, non-existent, pointless plot for example.

5) The dream sequences have no relevance to the story if they are taken at face value? Are you joking?

[Dwailing]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

I read the whole thing

They don't even have to read the WHOLE thing.  Just one or two parts should be enough, especially once you get to the part about Garrus and Sidonis.  That gave me a whole new perspective on Garrus's desire for revenge.

[BansheeOwnage]

smokingotter1 wrote...

The pics look like the side part of the conduit towers from the conduit run.

Yeah, I've always thought that too.

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...
This could equally apply to my personal theory that all ME games are dreams

Based on what evidence?  There's more evidence to assume only the ending sections are.

Actually wait, you use circular logic and ask the same question repeatedly.  Don't bother.

There are hints of indoctrination directly while/after Eden Prime, there are Rachni sounds on the Moon and other Planets, and the Shifty Looking Cow that steals your money.
Sounds like a dream or fantasy to me (I know the last one is a joke, just the other two are enough to give his idea the benefit of doubt).

[SubAstris]

Andromidius wrote...

SubAstris wrote...
This could equally apply to my personal theory that all ME games are dreams

Based on what evidence?  There's more evidence to assume only the ending sections are.

Actually wait, you use circular logic and ask the same question repeatedly.  Don't bother.

I was just saying why your comments are not sound

[BansheeOwnage]

Flog61 wrote...

Wait, has this thread been stickied? When/why?

Yesterday maybe? As for why, I don't know, though I may have missed something myself as someone said it was a mistake. Can't really mean anything bad though.

[SubAstris]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Why there is no wheels in the shep alive scene.
So I took a bit to look up the scene again and I came to the conclusion there just is no wheel and a single screenshot is bad for reference.
We all know:


Now we can make out a small part of the mesh if the let the movie run, instead of a single picture (movement helps immensely in detecting contours)

You can already see it's much too long and a single edge, nothing like a round wheel.
This can be strengthened by letting the movie run again a little and looking as these:

unedited

unedited

Good work, although in fairness that was obvious by, well, just looking at the goddam screenshot

There were too many still believing it's a wheel.

Don't bother, they are beyond help

[BleedingUranium]

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

No, but I do point out when even the pro-IT propaganda linked to in a pro-IT thread grants that BW didn't literally intend IT.

1) Sure.
2)
Inconsistent writing doesn't entail intention.  Read/listen to the
interviews.  It denotes the chaos of different writing teams spanning
years.
3) Don't want to ****** off the fanbase.  No value whatsoever to doing so.
4)
So?  And whatever they might've said there is some official canon as if
you play each game in the series, some events have taken place even if
you import no saves.
5) Like Shepard's dream sequences?  Or his waking synth hallucination in Overlord?  I don't know what you think this proves.

Again, do you know more about Bioware's intentions?  Please share where you got this information from!

2/
So you're saying Bioware fudged the writing at the last minute, during
the most important section of the story, after writing a really good 95%
of the rest of the story?  Sounds plausible.
3/ The fanbase is already pissed off.  They had nothing to lose.
4/ I guess 'no canon' goes straight over your head.
5/ Yes, because game companies and writers in general love putting in dream sequeuences that have no relivence to the actual story.  And we as consumers need to be told that a dream is a dream.  Sounds legit.

2) You need to analyse the rest of the trilogy if you honestly believe that. Especially ME2, non-existent, pointless plot for example.

5) The dream sequences have no relevance to the story if they are taken at face value? Are you joking?

ME2 only has a pointless plot if there's no IT.

The dreams are pointless without IT, and don't say PTSD, because Shep has none of the symptoms. There's even the convenient PTSD Asari in the hosptial, for all the people who think Shep has PTSD

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
There were too many still believing it's a wheel.

To be fair the picture is very fuzzy and unclear.  There's little 'obvious' about it.

Heck, a lot of people refused to believe it was even Shepard in the scene for quite a while.  It had to be PROVEN!

As said, watch the scene and look at it, not just at random screenshots. Even with the haze it's very clear if you just look at it.

[Andromidius]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
There are hints of indoctrination directly while/after Eden Prime, there are Rachni sounds on the Moon and other Planets, and the Shifty Looking Cow that steals your money.
Sounds like a dream or fantasy to me (I know the last one is a joke, just the other two are enough to give his idea the benefit of doubt).

Hints of the beginning of indoctrination is fine.  That's plausible.  It even fits with the narrative of the whole series.

However, having it all be a dream?  There's so little to support it.

Unless you go full literalist and say 'well its a game, of course its not real'.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

I read the whole thing

They don't even have to read the WHOLE thing.  Just one or two parts should be enough, especially once you get to the part about Garrus and Sidonis.  That gave me a whole new perspective on Garrus's desire for revenge.

I haven't read the whole thing yet. Where abouts (what section) is the Garrus/Sidonis thing?

[Leonia]

Uh the dreams can still be indicative of the amount of stress and guilt Shepard is feeling, regardless if IT is true or not. And we can't completely dismiss the fact that the Catalyst looks like the kid. The dreams are important, one way or another.

[Iconoclaste]

smokingotter1 wrote...

The pics look like the side part of the conduit towers from the conduit run.

I don't see that at all. The structures around the conduit have lots of curves, where the debris here look a lot like slabs of flat walls and floors. Since it was already proposed (much debatably) that this was "concrete" surrounding Shepard, I doubt changing guns on this idea now is a good idea.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

I read the whole thing

They don't even have to read the WHOLE thing.  Just one or two parts should be enough, especially once you get to the part about Garrus and Sidonis.  That gave me a whole new perspective on Garrus's desire for revenge.

Yeah, after reading that I got why he was so depressed in ME2

[Andromidius]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
As said, watch the scene and look at it, not just at random screenshots. Even with the haze it's very clear if you just look at it.

I did, and it still doesn't really show anything at all bar some rubble, mist and Shepard.

Its vague on purpose.  Why do you think they made it an actual FMV?  So we couldn't flycam it.  They wanted it to be unclear.