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[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Wait, has this thread been stickied? When/why?

Yesterday maybe? As for why, I don't know, though I may have missed something myself as someone said it was a mistake. Can't really mean anything bad though.

Someone should have taken a screenshot of the threadlist with our thread pinned. For posterity.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Good work, although in fairness that was obvious by, well, just looking at the goddam screenshot

There were too many still believing it's a wheel.

It's possible that the wheels were blown off.  Or maybe it's something different.  I don't know.

The general shape doesn't even fit for a Mako. That's why I wrote a single screenshot is bad, look at the sequence. Even in the middle part you can see that the one line extends far too long to be anything that could be considered part of the Mako, it's rather random rubble.

[Dwailing]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

I read the whole thing

They don't even have to read the WHOLE thing.  Just one or two parts should be enough, especially once you get to the part about Garrus and Sidonis.  That gave me a whole new perspective on Garrus's desire for revenge.

I haven't read the whole thing yet. Where abouts (what section) is the Garrus/Sidonis thing?

What have you managed to read so far?

Edit: Also, in Part three, the piece about why the Turians seem not to like humanity is also very enlightening.

Modifié par Dwailing, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:09 .

[SubAstris]

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

No, but I do point out when even the pro-IT propaganda linked to in a pro-IT thread grants that BW didn't literally intend IT.

1) Sure.
2)
Inconsistent writing doesn't entail intention.  Read/listen to the
interviews.  It denotes the chaos of different writing teams spanning
years.
3) Don't want to ****** off the fanbase.  No value whatsoever to doing so.
4)
So?  And whatever they might've said there is some official canon as if
you play each game in the series, some events have taken place even if
you import no saves.
5) Like Shepard's dream sequences?  Or his waking synth hallucination in Overlord?  I don't know what you think this proves.

Again, do you know more about Bioware's intentions?  Please share where you got this information from!

2/
So you're saying Bioware fudged the writing at the last minute, during
the most important section of the story, after writing a really good 95%
of the rest of the story?  Sounds plausible.
3/ The fanbase is already pissed off.  They had nothing to lose.
4/ I guess 'no canon' goes straight over your head.
5/ Yes, because game companies and writers in general love putting in dream sequeuences that have no relivence to the actual story.  And we as consumers need to be told that a dream is a dream.  Sounds legit.

2) You need to analyse the rest of the trilogy if you honestly believe that. Especially ME2, non-existent, pointless plot for example.

5) The dream sequences have no relevance to the story if they are taken at face value? Are you joking?

ME2 only has a pointless plot if there's no IT.

The dreams are pointless without IT, and don't say PTSD, because Shep has none of the symptoms. There's even the convenient PTSD Asari in the hosptial, for all the people who think Shep has PTSD

Ok, fair enough, IT might marginally (and I mean by a tiny amount), better for IT.

They are not pointless. They show his disappointment and grief of not being able to save everyone.

[BleedingUranium]

Iconoclaste wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

The pics look like the side part of the conduit towers from the conduit run.

I don't see that at all. The structures around the conduit have lots of curves, where the debris here look a lot like slabs of flat walls and floors. Since it was already proposed (much debatably) that this was "concrete" surrounding Shepard, I doubt changing guns on this idea now is a good idea.

The large piece of purple Covenant Reaper tech is rubble?

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

ME2 only has a pointless plot if there's no IT.

The dreams are pointless without IT, and don't say PTSD, because Shep has none of the symptoms. There's even the convenient PTSD Asari in the hosptial, for all the people who think Shep has PTSD

I'm commander Shepard, and even though I didn't get PTSD from Kaidan/Ashley dying on Virmire, or potenially all of my crew on the suicide mission, I'll dream about some creepy, ominous, prophetic little kid that I talked to for 30 seconds. Repeatedly. Because that's how I roll.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:08 .

[RavenEyry]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well that would be a funny weird mistake, but it doesn't really matter to what I said.

He pressed the wrong button while reading the thread on his phone apparently.

[BleedingUranium]

SubAstris wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

No, but I do point out when even the pro-IT propaganda linked to in a pro-IT thread grants that BW didn't literally intend IT.

1) Sure.
2)
Inconsistent writing doesn't entail intention.  Read/listen to the
interviews.  It denotes the chaos of different writing teams spanning
years.
3) Don't want to ****** off the fanbase.  No value whatsoever to doing so.
4)
So?  And whatever they might've said there is some official canon as if
you play each game in the series, some events have taken place even if
you import no saves.
5) Like Shepard's dream sequences?  Or his waking synth hallucination in Overlord?  I don't know what you think this proves.

Again, do you know more about Bioware's intentions?  Please share where you got this information from!

2/
So you're saying Bioware fudged the writing at the last minute, during
the most important section of the story, after writing a really good 95%
of the rest of the story?  Sounds plausible.
3/ The fanbase is already pissed off.  They had nothing to lose.
4/ I guess 'no canon' goes straight over your head.
5/ Yes, because game companies and writers in general love putting in dream sequeuences that have no relivence to the actual story.  And we as consumers need to be told that a dream is a dream.  Sounds legit.

2) You need to analyse the rest of the trilogy if you honestly believe that. Especially ME2, non-existent, pointless plot for example.

5) The dream sequences have no relevance to the story if they are taken at face value? Are you joking?

ME2 only has a pointless plot if there's no IT.

The dreams are pointless without IT, and don't say PTSD, because Shep has none of the symptoms. There's even the convenient PTSD Asari in the hosptial, for all the people who think Shep has PTSD

Ok, fair enough, IT might marginally (and I mean by a tiny amount), better for IT.

They are not pointless. They show his disappointment and grief of not being able to save everyone.

Actually, you are right there, the dreams aren't actually pointless, it's just that I've heard the PTSD thing too much

[BansheeOwnage]

leonia42 wrote...

Uh the dreams can still be indicative of the amount of stress and guilt Shepard is feeling, regardless if IT is true or not. And we can't completely dismiss the fact that the Catalyst looks like the kid. The dreams are important, one way or another.

The kid that can read minds.

[Iconoclaste]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

The pics look like the side part of the conduit towers from the conduit run.

I don't see that at all. The structures around the conduit have lots of curves, where the debris here look a lot like slabs of flat walls and floors. Since it was already proposed (much debatably) that this was "concrete" surrounding Shepard, I doubt changing guns on this idea now is a good idea.

The large piece of purple Covenant Reaper tech is rubble?

This looks too much like the surrounding structure of the red tube blown up by Shepard in the "destroy" ending. This was debated many times, a while ago, and even just a few pages ago right here. Did you read it?

Try to get a screenshot of the whole "Red tube" and post it here, you will see easily the white stripes and the shape fitting what is shown in the "breath" scene.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[BleedingUranium]

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well that would be a funny weird mistake, but it doesn't really matter to what I said.

He pressed the wrong button while reading the thread on his phone apparently.

Is it just me, or do the mods read this thread a lot?

[v0rt3x22]

Quick question guys - the beam at the end of the game that transports you to the citadel - was that reaper tech?

[delldo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
There were too many still believing it's a wheel.

To be fair the picture is very fuzzy and unclear.  There's little 'obvious' about it.

Heck, a lot of people refused to believe it was even Shepard in the scene for quite a while.  It had to be PROVEN!

As said, watch the scene and look at it, not just at random screenshots. Even with the haze it's very clear if you just look at it.

I was one of the wheel believers at once, I even posted the pic with the comparrisons, but later found out that it was the mist/dust/pixelation causing the tread pattern look.  I am not sure what it is currently, but it could be a vehicle with the wheels blown off or some other structure.  What do you think it is?

On another note, the other structure that resembles the conduit could actually be part of a destroyers leg (the smaller joint pieces) which also bares the same resemblance.

[Leonia]

BleedingUranium wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well that would be a funny weird mistake, but it doesn't really matter to what I said.

He pressed the wrong button while reading the thread on his phone apparently.

Is it just me, or do the mods read this thread a lot?

If that were true they would have locked it ages ago for consistently veering off-topic and descending into minor flame wars whenever a troll gets fed.

[HellishFiend]

BleedingUranium wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well that would be a funny weird mistake, but it doesn't really matter to what I said.

He pressed the wrong button while reading the thread on his phone apparently.

Is it just me, or do the mods read this thread a lot?

Mods are just players equipped with banhammers.  Only the BW devs really matter in that regard. 

[memorysquid]

Andromidius wrote...


Again, do you know more about Bioware's intentions?  Please share where you got this information from!

2/
So you're saying Bioware fudged the writing at the last minute, during
the most important section of the story, after writing a really good 95%
of the rest of the story?  Sounds plausible.
3/ The fanbase is already pissed off.  They had nothing to lose.
4/ I guess 'no canon' goes straight over your head.
5/ Yes, because game companies and writers in general love putting in dream sequeuences that have no relivence to the actual story.  And we as consumers need to be told that a dream is a dream.  Sounds legit.

BW [Hudson/Walters specifically] stated their intention often enough in multiple interviews.  In short, they didn't anticipate the questions the players raised.

2)  No I am saying BW fudged the writing throughout and dropped multiple plot lines.  Like the whole Haestrom dark energy thing.

3)  By basically taking a mulligan and calling it all a dream?  They had much more to lose doing that than by simply doing what they started out to do and leaving IT alone.  There's simply nothing to be gained by flatly rejecting IT.

4)  No, I know what canon means.  And in a mutable story line, the elements that persist regardless of choice are canon.  They say they don't favor synthesis over reject as canon, fine.

5)  Do you know what they were referring to?  I don't even know specifically who said what that you are talking about, because you didn't quote anything.  I tried to make sense from your ambiguity.  Maybe I'll make a thread to explain why you must have meant what I wanted you to mean.

[BleedingUranium]

HellishFiend wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well that would be a funny weird mistake, but it doesn't really matter to what I said.

He pressed the wrong button while reading the thread on his phone apparently.

Is it just me, or do the mods read this thread a lot?

Mods are just players equipped with banhammers.  Only the BW devs really matter in that regard. 

I know, Hellish, and that face is the closest we have to a tinfoil hat face

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
As said, watch the scene and look at it, not just at random screenshots. Even with the haze it's very clear if you just look at it.

I did, and it still doesn't really show anything at all bar some rubble, mist and Shepard.

Its vague on purpose.  Why do you think they made it an actual FMV?  So we couldn't flycam it.  They wanted it to be unclear.

You seem not to know how much power you need for such a haze that has no uniform distribution. Just look at the dust surrounding Shepard after beaming up to the Citadel if you need a comparison of what's feasible in real time to have the game run smooth on most PCs/XBox. The Bunker scene or whatever it's called (after rejecting with the Liara hologram) is also a movie, because it's much smaller as there is no interaction anyway. I don't think BW cares much about flycam.

[BansheeOwnage]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Quick question guys - the beam at the end of the game that transports you to the citadel - was that reaper tech?

Well if the reapers made it, yes it's reaper tech...

[Dwailing]

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

I read the whole thing

They don't even have to read the WHOLE thing.  Just one or two parts should be enough, especially once you get to the part about Garrus and Sidonis.  That gave me a whole new perspective on Garrus's desire for revenge.

I haven't read the whole thing yet. Where abouts (what section) is the Garrus/Sidonis thing?

What have you managed to read so far?

Edit: Also, in Part three, the piece about why the Turians seem not to like humanity is also very enlightening.

I THINK (Though I'm not certain.), that the Garrus/Sidonis bit is in part two or part four.  I'm inclined to think part two.

[BansheeOwnage]

RavenEyry wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well that would be a funny weird mistake, but it doesn't really matter to what I said.

He pressed the wrong button while reading the thread on his phone apparently.

Seems legit.

[paxxton]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Quick question guys - the beam at the end of the game that transports you to the citadel - was that reaper tech?

Yes.

[BleedingUranium]

memorysquid wrote...

Andromidius wrote...


Again, do you know more about Bioware's intentions?  Please share where you got this information from!

2/
So you're saying Bioware fudged the writing at the last minute, during
the most important section of the story, after writing a really good 95%
of the rest of the story?  Sounds plausible.
3/ The fanbase is already pissed off.  They had nothing to lose.
4/ I guess 'no canon' goes straight over your head.
5/ Yes, because game companies and writers in general love putting in dream sequeuences that have no relivence to the actual story.  And we as consumers need to be told that a dream is a dream.  Sounds legit.

BW [Hudson/Walters specifically] stated their intention often enough in multiple interviews.  In short, they didn't anticipate the questions the players raised.

2)  No I am saying BW fudged the writing throughout and dropped multiple plot lines.  Like the whole Haestrom dark energy thing.

3)  By basically taking a mulligan and calling it all a dream?  They had much more to lose doing that than by simply doing what they started out to do and leaving IT alone.  There's simply nothing to be gained by flatly rejecting IT.

4)  No, I know what canon means.  And in a mutable story line, the elements that persist regardless of choice are canon.  They say they don't favor synthesis over reject as canon, fine.

5)  Do you know what they were referring to?  I don't even know specifically who said what that you are talking about, because you didn't quote anything.  I tried to make sense from your ambiguity.  Maybe I'll make a thread to explain why you must have meant what I wanted you to mean.

I want to get rid of an all too common, and wrong, idea about IT: "It was just a dream" does not apply to IT, because whether it's a waking hallucination, or just in Shep's mind, there are still real world consequences of the actions taken in the decision room. It's much closer to the Geth consensus mission, where what you're seeing is just a representation of reality so you/Shepard can understand it. Or Inception, where they are dreaming, but are fully conscious in that dream, and able to influence people's minds outside of just the dream world. Or, actually, like internet forums and similar, the so called "digital world". It's just as real as non-digital stuff.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:21 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

And I don't want that explanation to be bad/lazy writing.  Look at the page that I have linked in my sig.  Look at it!  And tell me one more time that the BW writers are bad/lazy.  *Insert Samuel L. Jackson's line from Pulp Fiction where he dares the guy to say "what" one more time.*

I read the whole thing

They don't even have to read the WHOLE thing.  Just one or two parts should be enough, especially once you get to the part about Garrus and Sidonis.  That gave me a whole new perspective on Garrus's desire for revenge.

I haven't read the whole thing yet. Where abouts (what section) is the Garrus/Sidonis thing?

What have you managed to read so far?

Edit: Also, in Part three, the piece about why the Turians seem not to like humanity is also very enlightening.

I THINK (Though I'm not certain.), that the Garrus/Sidonis bit is in part two or part four.  I'm inclined to think part two.

Thanks. Also, I didn't know Saren also voiced Balak.  He also voiced Warden Kuril, but in heinsight that's pretty obvious. So basically he voiced a main character in ME1, a major character in ME1 DLC and a minor character in ME2, but nothing in ME3? Reminds me a bit of Harbinger.