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[masster blaster]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm not being sarcastic.

And what's this Salarian incident you're talking about? O.o

If you choose to cure the genophage the Salarians just turtle up and let the most important battle in all of history run its course without this help.

except STG, and Kirre. Sorry forgot to spell his name.


Also they give us one fleet.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:09 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

BFD is what I have to say to that. The Salarians still have some answering to do after this.

[masster blaster]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

BFD is what I have to say to that. The Salarians still have some answering to do after this.

Yes, and as does Aria, and the Citadel defence force, which I still think we have them as war assets, if we ever have to fight on the Citadel again. we will have some back up and maybe change the tide of the war.

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

Snip...

I can't hear you, Arian.

Paxxton...I thought that I had you convinced that the PC for ME4 was going to be Sheara.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[Arian Dynas]

Welp, I decided I was going to, so now, I think I will.

I'll start that DLC script/speculation I discussed.

You'll get to choose between importing your Shepard, or playing as the new character Major Alan/Alanna White. A cookie to anyone who can guess why I picked that name.

I'm shooting for a DLC length with this new speculation-script, but it could be billed as an entire expansion pack.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Welp, I decided I was going to, so now, I think I will.

I'll start that DLC script/speculation I discussed.

You'll get to choose between importing your Shepard, or playing as the new character Major Alan/Alanna White. A cookie to anyone who can guess why I picked that name.

I'm shooting for a DLC length with this new speculation-script, but it could be billed as an entire expansion pack.

Would your choice of ending dictate whether or not you could import your Shepard? The answer seems obvious but if it follows the IT then it isn't obvious depending on how the end pans out.

[lex0r11]

masster blaster wrote...

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And didn't the Catalyst talk about Dark energy to Shepard?

Uhm, no? Dark energy was a subject in ME2 when recruiting Tali on Heastrom and was foreshadowed to be "the thing". But it was scraped.

If he indee talked about it, please link me to a video or something.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Snip...

I can't hear you, Arian.

Paxxton...I thought that I had you convinced that the PC for ME4 was going to be Sheara.

Ah, yes. Baby Shepard conceived in the FOB.

[masster blaster]

lex0r11 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

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And didn't the Catalyst talk about Dark energy to Shepard?

Uhm, no? Dark energy was a subject in ME2 when recruiting Tali on Heastrom and was foreshadowed to be "the thing". But it was scraped.

If he indee talked about it, please link me to a video or something.

No I ment talked about Dark energy will be used to kill the Reapers, save them, or Control them. but have to play/watch again to be sure.

[Arian Dynas]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Welp, I decided I was going to, so now, I think I will.

I'll start that DLC script/speculation I discussed.

You'll get to choose between importing your Shepard, or playing as the new character Major Alan/Alanna White. A cookie to anyone who can guess why I picked that name.

I'm shooting for a DLC length with this new speculation-script, but it could be billed as an entire expansion pack.

Would your choice of ending dictate whether or not you could import your Shepard? The answer seems obvious but if it follows the IT then it isn't obvious depending on how the end pans out.

You'll see.

I'm mostly doing these as a sort of proof-of-concept. If lil ol me can do it, so should a room of 8 great writers.

[MaximizedAction]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

You cant compare the two, though. The difference in the level of divergence between those types of things, and whether or not the entire galaxy is synthesized or not, and whether the Reapers even exist or not.... it's simply too much. 

No I am saying THEY CAN canonize that the ending was an indoctrination induced hallucination, but they CAN'T canonize that Shepard picked Destroy.

Do you see?

So basically we're not really disagreeing then... I was essentially saying the divergence of literal endings cant be accommodated or canonized in any shape or form, and that isnt exclusive with what you're saying. 

Exactly /Anderson

And to be honest, if they intend to make sequels, which they do by all appearances, and they say they are not canonizing one choice over another, there is only one way that choices with such world shattering consequences can be made to play nice.

By not mattering in the slightest.

This "we won't canonize the endings" makes a different kind of sense now. Hm...I guess during the initial stages of planning a story that is supposed to be as custumizable as possible at some point you start wondering about the ending.
How can you end your story in a way that satisfies all those 25k Shepards out there?
Is it possible to create a satisfying ending that also is completely customized?

Especially with a war story on such a huge scale, there must be more variables for it to be more believable. For example, Thessia falling, no matter what you do doesn't really fall into the category of interactive gameplay. Hence, us not explicitly saving it makes it feel unsatisfying even more so.

So I guess, an interactive, customizable war story allows for many more kinds of endings than a canonized one. So it would make sense for them to spread out the ending in a way of partially releasing parts of it over time. But then you also need an ending for your main game, or else that'd be odd. And indoctrination fits perfectly as a means of doing that.

Well done for writing that PM. And thank you for doing that!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:34 .

[Arian Dynas]

I also sent copies to Gamble and Merizan.

Gamble has yet to reply, even though I sent it to him weeks ago, and Merizan got one at the same time I sent one to Ackland.

[lex0r11]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

This reminds me. Does everyone remember the actual plan to originally build the story on the whole dark energy business? I'm not 100% sure if this is accurate, but Drew Karpyshyn's (or the first idea for that matter) idea was that at the end of the trilogy, Sheaprd decides to sacrifice humanity to build another reaper from it and help to "fight" dark energy, because the reapers reveal their plans to stop dark energy. Or Shepard decides to defy them and trust in every race to find a way together without total genocide.

Dark energy might as well be a problem caused by something even greater then the reapers. There you have another antagonist. Big enough?

If the IT theory is true and Shepard does get up again it is possible that he/she would be faced with a choice once reaching the crucible. Activate it and stop the bigger threat or etc. you know what happens.

However, the literal Destroy ending destroys the reapers. What then would be strong enough to fight the "dark energy?" Bioware would have to pick a canon because "imported choices" such as the 3 colored ones would change the entire dark matter story drastically.


Still does anyone have an opinion on what I said about the Stargazer not making sense with the synthesis ending?

Here is the thing.

The whole theme since ME1 was Shepard always believing in the galaxies races will to fight and his/her way to do things despite what everyone else says. So choosing to defy the reapers AND the sacrifice stays true to that. In the dark energy scenario, this is the paragon choice. Shepard learns there is a force even greater then the reapers but still chooses to say no because he/she believes they can find a way without sacrificing whole races. That is what Shepard does.

Choosing to comply to the "greater plan" is the ultimate renegade option. And I don't want to hear what renegade Shepard is and how he/she is misunderstood. Collateral damage was always renegade's aftertaste.


And about the endings affecting the next antagonist being something connected to dark energy.

Why would anything related to the reaper solution affect something greater than the reapers? The sole fact that the reapers at the time of ME1-3 were to weak to stop it makes it immune to every outcome so far.

[masster blaster]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I also sent copies to Gamble and Merizan.

Gamble has yet to reply, even though I sent it to him weeks ago, and Merizan got one at the same time I sent one to Ackland.

hope they read them, and reply back. Oh did you ask Gamble, on why the sol relay is exploding in the wrong system?

[lex0r11]

masster blaster wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

[...]

And didn't the Catalyst talk about Dark energy to Shepard?

Uhm, no? Dark energy was a subject in ME2 when recruiting Tali on Heastrom and was foreshadowed to be "the thing". But it was scraped.

If he indee talked about it, please link me to a video or something.

No I ment talked about Dark energy will be used to kill the Reapers, save them, or Control them. but have to play/watch again to be sure.

Dark energy, to my knowledge, is a non-existent topic in ME3. And it has nothing to do with the "game show" the brat is staging at the end.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

lex0r11 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

This reminds me. Does everyone remember the actual plan to originally build the story on the whole dark energy business? I'm not 100% sure if this is accurate, but Drew Karpyshyn's (or the first idea for that matter) idea was that at the end of the trilogy, Sheaprd decides to sacrifice humanity to build another reaper from it and help to "fight" dark energy, because the reapers reveal their plans to stop dark energy. Or Shepard decides to defy them and trust in every race to find a way together without total genocide.

Dark energy might as well be a problem caused by something even greater then the reapers. There you have another antagonist. Big enough?

If the IT theory is true and Shepard does get up again it is possible that he/she would be faced with a choice once reaching the crucible. Activate it and stop the bigger threat or etc. you know what happens.

However, the literal Destroy ending destroys the reapers. What then would be strong enough to fight the "dark energy?" Bioware would have to pick a canon because "imported choices" such as the 3 colored ones would change the entire dark matter story drastically.


Still does anyone have an opinion on what I said about the Stargazer not making sense with the synthesis ending?

Here is the thing.

The whole theme since ME1 was Shepard always believing in the galaxies races will to fight and his/her way to do things despite what everyone else says. So choosing to defy the reapers AND the sacrifice stays true to that. In the dark energy scenario, this is the paragon choice. Shepard learns there is a force even greater then the reapers but still chooses to say no because he/she believes they can find a way without sacrificing whole races. That is what Shepard does.

Choosing to comply to the "greater plan" is the ultimate renegade option. And I don't want to hear what renegade Shepard is and how he/she is misunderstood. Collateral damage was always renegade's aftertaste.


And about the endings affecting the next antagonist being something connected to dark energy.

Why would anything related to the reaper solution affect something greater than the reapers? The sole fact that the reapers at the time of ME1-3 were to weak to stop it makes it immune to every outcome so far.

If humans were sacrificed to create more reapers in order to stop dark matter. Destroying the reapers would put the galaxy in a pretty deep hole because the reapers are the strongest fighting force at the moment (besides dark energy or whatever).

I guess my question would be "how would dark energy be stopped?" There doesn't seem to be anything more powerful than the reapers right now and if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:47 .

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Snip...

I can't hear you, Arian.

Paxxton...I thought that I had you convinced that the PC for ME4 was going to be Sheara.

Ah, yes. Baby Shepard conceived in the FOB.

So you do remember...I think Arian is right, if we see Shep at all again it will be in DLC or expansion for the current game, not the next one.

[Arian Dynas]

masster blaster wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I also sent copies to Gamble and Merizan.

Gamble has yet to reply, even though I sent it to him weeks ago, and Merizan got one at the same time I sent one to Ackland.

hope they read them, and reply back. Oh did you ask Gamble, on why the sol relay is exploding in the wrong system?

Nope, they all got the same PM that you saw there.

[D.Sharrah]

lex0r11 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

This reminds me. Does everyone remember the actual plan to originally build the story on the whole dark energy business? I'm not 100% sure if this is accurate, but Drew Karpyshyn's (or the first idea for that matter) idea was that at the end of the trilogy, Sheaprd decides to sacrifice humanity to build another reaper from it and help to "fight" dark energy, because the reapers reveal their plans to stop dark energy. Or Shepard decides to defy them and trust in every race to find a way together without total genocide.

Dark energy might as well be a problem caused by something even greater then the reapers. There you have another antagonist. Big enough?

If the IT theory is true and Shepard does get up again it is possible that he/she would be faced with a choice once reaching the crucible. Activate it and stop the bigger threat or etc. you know what happens.

However, the literal Destroy ending destroys the reapers. What then would be strong enough to fight the "dark energy?" Bioware would have to pick a canon because "imported choices" such as the 3 colored ones would change the entire dark matter story drastically.


Still does anyone have an opinion on what I said about the Stargazer not making sense with the synthesis ending?

Here is the thing.

The whole theme since ME1 was Shepard always believing in the galaxies races will to fight and his/her way to do things despite what everyone else says. So choosing to defy the reapers AND the sacrifice stays true to that. In the dark energy scenario, this is the paragon choice. Shepard learns there is a force even greater then the reapers but still chooses to say no because he/she believes they can find a way without sacrificing whole races. That is what Shepard does.

Choosing to comply to the "greater plan" is the ultimate renegade option. And I don't want to hear what renegade Shepard is and how he/she is misunderstood. Collateral damage was always renegade's aftertaste.


And about the endings affecting the next antagonist being something connected to dark energy.

Why would anything related to the reaper solution affect something greater than the reapers? The sole fact that the reapers at the time of ME1-3 were to weak to stop it makes it immune to every outcome so far.

I think the problem with the dark energy plot is the same as the literal interpertations of the current endings (more specificially if you believe what Reaperbieber is telling you is true) - that the Reapers are turned into the good guys with a twist at the ending.  And not that Bioware is above doing this - but IMHO, the ME Universe is better if the Reapers are bad, not misunderstood good - if that makes sense.

[lex0r11]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

[...]

If humans were sacrificed to create more reapers in order to stop dark matter. Destroying the reapers would put the galaxy in a pretty deep hole because the reapers are the strongest fighting force at the moment (besides dark energy or whatever).

Yes, even faced with these consequences, Shepard would do it. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is how his/her character was developed ever since. Making it through Ilos, insisting the reapers are real and a threat despite what everyone says. Surviving a mission to the galactic core and destroying the collectors, blah blah.

I'm just saying, and I hope we are still on the topic of a possible anatgonist for another DLC/game, but still doing it without the reapers even though there is an enemy which make the reapers look like sissies is just Shepard's style.

[Arian Dynas]

Also, like I said, a cookie to anyone who can guess why the new proposed character is named Major Alan White.

[masster blaster]

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]TSA_383 wrote...





Edit: I actually just wanted to know if this is well known, or of no matter. (I am NOT talking about rebar.)
[/quote]
The background (vehicle?)? Yeah, like I was saying earlier, to me it looks like this:

(Beware low quality model from beam run)

Only problem with that is I don't see wheels...

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could have been blow off, or some of the wheels are missing, but a few are there, but they are covered by the dense smoke.

[/quote]

[lex0r11]

D.Sharrah wrote...

[...]

I think the problem with the dark energy plot is the same as the literal interpertations of the current endings (more specificially if you believe what Reaperbieber is telling you is true) - that the Reapers are turned into the good guys with a twist at the ending.  And not that Bioware is above doing this - but IMHO, the ME Universe is better if the Reapers are bad, not misunderstood good - if that makes sense.

Don't see it as a good guy act. It's simple self-preservation. Machines do it too as we all know.

Dark energy wins, everyone is fuked. It is even more incomprehensible than the reapers or whatever is behind it and why. You could do something great story wise when it has to come to more mass effect.

Modifié par lex0r11, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Snip...

I can't hear you, Arian.

Paxxton...I thought that I had you convinced that the PC for ME4 was going to be Sheara.

Ah, yes. Baby Shepard conceived in the FOB.

So you do remember...I think Arian is right, if we see Shep at all again it will be in DLC or expansion for the current game, not the next one.

Maybe but ME3 has established a timeframe for the DLCs. BioWare said there isn't going to be anything new post-ending. That means the DLCs are going to be pre-ending. Hence ME4 must continue Shepard's story because it's not finished. Unless they state that Shepard's dead.

EDIT: LOL. I'm lucky today with top posts on several pages.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:12 .

[lex0r11]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

[...]

I guess my question would be "how would dark energy be stopped?" There doesn't seem to be anything more powerful than the reapers right now and if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?

Followup because of edit.

Don't you see? That's what makes it such a great base for another story. We don't know how the frak they could ever do it. I hate it when just every joker can come around predicting with absolute stinking certainty what might gonna happen.