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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

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I guess my question would be "how would dark energy be stopped?" There doesn't seem to be anything more powerful than the reapers right now and if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?


Followup because of edit.

Don't you see? That's what makes it such a great base for another story. We don't know how the frak they could ever do it. I hate it when just every joker can come around predicting with absolute stinking certainty what might gonna happen.

You can't stop something that is an inherent component of the Universe. Maybe there would be some anomalies caused by artificial phenomena. So the goal would be to basically get rid of them and bring balance to the Multiverse. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:10 .


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Shepard.

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paxxton wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

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I guess my question would be "how would dark energy be stopped?" There doesn't seem to be anything more powerful than the reapers right now and if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?


Followup because of edit.

Don't you see? That's what makes it such a great base for another story. We don't know how the frak they could ever do it. I hate it when just every joker can come around predicting with absolute stinking certainty what might gonna happen.

LOL. You can't stop something that is an inherent component of the Universe. Maybe there would be some anomalies caused by artificial phenomena. So the goal would be to basically get rid of them and bring balance to the Multiverse. Posted Image


How do you know what dark energy is? Lulz. No one in the game really does.

Guys, try to think about why it actually was planned as a central theme.
It just can't be something like bad weather in space that just happens and **** everyone up on bad luck.

Not in Mass Effect.

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Also, like I said, a cookie to anyone who can guess why the new proposed character is named Major Alan White.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:14 .


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Heretic_Hanar made this

http://social.biowar.../index/13163609

It's nice to see him doing what he thinks is best, about the ME3 endgame on his own forum.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:21 .


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I am not saying anything with "absolute stinking certainty" I am just saying that it is very unlikely. I never said that I wouldn't enjoy seeing how we could pull off a win I just said that I couldn't think of a way how. There is not much known about this dark energy stuff because it was not implemented into the game. I was just interested to see what you could come up with. That is why when i said this, "if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?" in a question format because no, I wasn't sure at all. If i was predicting with certainty I wouldn't have formatted it as a question.

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lex0r11 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

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I guess my question would be "how would dark energy be stopped?" There doesn't seem to be anything more powerful than the reapers right now and if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?


Followup because of edit.

Don't you see? That's what makes it such a great base for another story. We don't know how the frak they could ever do it. I hate it when just every joker can come around predicting with absolute stinking certainty what might gonna happen.

LOL. You can't stop something that is an inherent component of the Universe. Maybe there would be some anomalies caused by artificial phenomena. So the goal would be to basically get rid of them and bring balance to the Multiverse. Posted Image


How do you know what dark energy is? Lulz. No one in the game really does.

Guys, try to think about why it actually was planned as a central theme.
It just can't be something like bad weather in space that just happens and **** everyone up on bad luck.

Not in Mass Effect.

Of course, dark energy isn't fully understood yet so it makes a perfect theme for a sci-fi story.

Dark energy isn't sci-fi. It really exists.
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Dark_energy

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I am not saying anything with "absolute stinking certainty" I am just saying that it is very unlikely. I never said that I wouldn't enjoy seeing how we could pull off a win I just said that I couldn't think of a way how. There is not much known about this dark energy stuff because it was not implemented into the game. I was just interested to see what you could come up with. That is why when i said this, "if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?" in a question format because no, I wasn't sure at all. If i was predicting with certainty I wouldn't have formatted it as a question.


Sorry. It wasn't my intention to compare you to the jokers I was talking about.

But that's what it is. You can't come up with something like that on one evening. Good things take time.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, like I said, a cookie to anyone who can guess why the new proposed character is named Major Alan White.


God damnit Arian, nobody knows. D:

Yet.


We might as well have a fencing duel for the lulz. Or we still have that first one to finish.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, like I said, a cookie to anyone who can guess why the new proposed character is named Major Alan White.


God damnit Arian, nobody knows. D:

Yet.


We might as well have a fencing duel for the lulz. Or we still have that first one to finish.


Oh come on.

Commander John SHEPARD.

John GRISSOM.

ALAN WHITE.

Should I have named him Chafee to make it more obvious?

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Thats rediculous. How are they going to claim clarity and closure and leave all that strangeness in the ending and leave everyone hanging about wtf happened to shepard and friends, what kind of closure is that?!

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Stopping Dark Energy could be as simple as ceasing to use technology that creates/uses Dark Energy, then letting the Universe rebalance itself over time.

And by simple, I mean near-impossible since nearly all advanced technology uses Eezo. So yeah.

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Never mind.

Modifié par paxxton, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:35 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I am not saying anything with "absolute stinking certainty" I am just saying that it is very unlikely. I never said that I wouldn't enjoy seeing how we could pull off a win I just said that I couldn't think of a way how. There is not much known about this dark energy stuff because it was not implemented into the game. I was just interested to see what you could come up with. That is why when i said this, "if dark energy can't be stopped WITH the reapers then how would it be stopped WITHOUT them?" in a question format because no, I wasn't sure at all. If i was predicting with certainty I wouldn't have formatted it as a question.


Sorry. It wasn't my intention to compare you to the jokers I was talking about.

But that's what it is. You can't come up with something like that on one evening. Good things take time.


Definitely not. You can get a general idea of what you want to go for but you can't think of the entire story of how to get there. IMO to me the EC was more Bioware buying for time and trying to cool off the "fans" while they make something better. This "better" may or may not be the IT but it's going to be more convincing than what we have now. Hopefully now that most people have cooled off with the EC Bioware will have time to produce something good because they have a little more time. I don't think that the ending we have now is REALLY BAD but it definitely isn't as amazing as the end of Shepard's "Mass Effect" should have been IMO.

Edit @comrade gando: Legion and friends?

Edit again: I'm going to go play some FBWGG if anyone cares to join me.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:33 .


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So I guess we have nothing to talk about now, until we get new info that could support IT. Also I think Bioware feels that we speculated to quickly, and maybe are moving their plans for a new dlc that is on the way.

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masster you changed your avatar again.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, like I said, a cookie to anyone who can guess why the new proposed character is named Major Alan White.


God damnit Arian, nobody knows. D:

Yet.


We might as well have a fencing duel for the lulz. Or we still have that first one to finish.


Oh come on.

Commander John SHEPARD.

John GRISSOM.

ALAN WHITE.

Should I have named him Chafee to make it more obvious?


Alan Shepard- Our Shepard's namesake, first American in space.

Edward White- First American to make a "walk in space," died alongside Grissom and Chafee in a training exercise for Apollo 1.

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masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar made this

http://social.biowar.../index/13163609

It's nice to see him doing what he thinks is best, about the ME3 endgame on his own forum.


In the true spirit of treating people as they treat us, I have the unrelenting urge to troll that thread :P.

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Dam0299 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar made this

http://social.biowar.../index/13163609

It's nice to see him doing what he thinks is best, about the ME3 endgame on his own forum.


In the true spirit of treating people as they treat us, I have the unrelenting urge to troll that thread :P.


don't do it Dam. If we do that, it will only proof his point, and a lot of others, that IT are people who are trolls, that believe in their crazy theory, and
 that they will brand "your wrong" to anyone that says other wise.

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paxxton wrote...

masster you changed your avatar again.


Ya I am simply trying to find the right avatar to fit my discription, but still looking.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, like I said, a cookie to anyone who can guess why the new proposed character is named Major Alan White.


God damnit Arian, nobody knows. D:

Yet.


We might as well have a fencing duel for the lulz. Or we still have that first one to finish.


Oh come on.

Commander John SHEPARD.

John GRISSOM.

ALAN WHITE.

Should I have named him Chafee to make it more obvious?


Alan Shepard- Our Shepard's namesake, first American in space.

Edward White- First American to make a "walk in space," died alongside Grissom and Chafee in a training exercise for Apollo 1.

Do I get my cookie?  Posted Image


Good girl.
You'll have to fight these two for it though.

 Posted Image 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:57 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also, like I said, a cookie to anyone who can guess why the new proposed character is named Major Alan White.


God damnit Arian, nobody knows. D:

Yet.


We might as well have a fencing duel for the lulz. Or we still have that first one to finish.


Oh come on.

Commander John SHEPARD.

John GRISSOM.

ALAN WHITE.

Should I have named him Chafee to make it more obvious?


Alan Shepard- Our Shepard's namesake, first American in space.

Edward White- First American to make a "walk in space," died alongside Grissom and Chafee in a training exercise for Apollo 1.

Do I get my cookie?  Posted Image


Good girl.
You'll have to fight these two for it though.

 Posted Image 


Going through both Cookie Monster AND a boy? Heavy risk...

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Stupid question.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:14 .


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Thought I would give you guys a bit of a taste of what is to come, this will take QUITE a while, but, well here it is, some of it anyway, will work on it some more when my headache goes away.

An opening note. This script is entirely speculatory in nature, which I write mostly for the fun of writing it, and as one possible thing I could see Bioware doing with Mass Effect 3.

I choose to write this as a script, rather than a theory to make it a bit more fun for the reader. What I believe and what my opinions personally are about the ending, what events took place in the ending and the reaction to the ending are encapsulated here.

Basically, this script is as much theory as it is story. One way or another, enjoy.

MASS EFFECT 3: AWAKENING

0 - Two Weeks 

[Opening narration begins. Images play in the background of Reaper troops and ground forces fighting against Hammer, ships being shot out of the sky, soliders being gunned down and gutted.]

COATES: Two weeks. It's been two weeks since they picked you up, pulling you out of that wretched hole. Two weeks since the Siege of Earth.

Two weeks since the world as we knew it nearly ended. Two weeks since the Crucible fired. Two weeks.

Two weeks is alot of time when you're dying.

[Screen fades to black.]

[A dialogue box comes up, offering two options. "Continue Shepard's Journey" or "Meet Major White" Your choice effects which character you play as. For future reference, dialogue choices are listed starting from top right  to bottom right, then Paragon, Renegade and investigate choices to follow. If you choose to continue with Shepard, go to 1. If you choose to play as Major White, go to 2.]
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1 - Dead Tired

[If you chose to continue with your Shepard, then it skips past the character customization screen and continues with what you had in ME3.]

[Black screen. Soft light overhead begins to fade in. The room looks fairly dark and dingy, there's water damage, and some hastily patched holes. It looks  to be in fairly good repair however, despite a prior attack. A cabinet dominates one wall, Shepard is lying in a bed, wearing a clean uniform. A door opens.]

NURSE[A woman, young, caucasian, wearing a scientist coat walks in, holding a datapad as Shepard tries to sit up, she speaks with a distinctly English accent]: Mister/Miss Shepard?

[Dialogue Options: "Where am I?" "That's Commander Shepard."]

SHEPARD [WHERE AM I?]: What's going on? What is this place? Who are you?

NURSE: Calm down Mister Shepard, You're in good hands. You're at Saint Mary's Hospital, in London. It's been about two weeks since you were wounded.

SHEPARD: Two weeks? I've been under that long?

NURSE: Well, you were nearly at Death's door, love, anyone else we would have boxed up and sent to the coroner, but, well somehow you managed to pull through. Though, according to Doctor Mathers, he needed a mechanic more than he did a surgeon working on you.

SHEPARD [THAT'S COMMANDER SHEPARD]: Commander Shepard. I think I've spent enough time in grade to be called by my proper rank, miss.

NURSE[looking slightly hurt]: Yes sir/ma'am. Commander Shepard it is then.

SHEPARD: Now, what is this place?

NURSE:
You're at Saint Mary's Hospital, in London. It's been about two weeks since you were wounded.

SHEPARD: Two weeks? I've been under that long?

NURSE: Well, you were nearly at Death's door, love, anyone else we would have boxed up and sent to the coroner, but, well somehow you managed to pull through. Though, according to Doctor Mathers, he needed a mechanic more than he did a surgeon working on you. 

[Both options lead to the same dialogue tree, which starts here. Depending on which option you chose, she will either adress you as Mister/Miss Shepard or Commander, if you chose to insist upon rank.]

SHEPARD: What happened? Last thing I can remember is... It's all fuzzy. The Crucible, and, and a boy made out of light, we were charging toward the Conduit and...

NURSE: Mister Shepard, I do not know the details of what happened. If you want to find out more, I am not the person to ask, Now, kindly get back into bed before you work yourself into a fit. We've been working hard to get your stress levels under control, and it has only been the last day or so that your blood pressure has normalized.

["So, what now?" "Well, I guess I'm checking myself out then." "Investigate" > "Dr. Mathers?" "Implants" "The Crucible" "The Siege"]

SHEPARD [DR. MATHERS?]: Who is Dr. Mathers?

NURSE: Your attending physician, Mister Shepard. He's been the one who was working on you while you were in your coma. I can get him if you like, he'll be glad to see you're awake.

SHEPARD: Maybe later.

SHEPARD [IMPLANTS][If you chose Destroy, the dialogue changes here.]:
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2 - Black and White

[A character customization screen comes up. Default face is a black man, roughly early twenties, brown eyes, short hair, scar across his right cheek. Default female face is a black woman, also roughly early twenties, green eyes, curly hair. Skin color cannot be changed, though facial features can. Eye color can be changed. There is only one pre-service history, called "Failed Martyr", the description for which is; "Major White was in command of a marine platoon during the Siege of Earth. During the fighting, when Hammer was ordered to pull back from the beam to regroup, Major White nearly sacrificed himself/herself to protect the rest of their platoon, holding off a Banshee to let the others escape. Major White's gamble failed. Nearly his entire platoon was wiped out, yet he survived to bear the guilt." Major White can choose any class and bonus abilities. Name can be changed, the default is Alan for Males, Alanna for Females. Once you are satisfied with your character, you can hit confirm and the screen goes to black. Due to the nature of this script, which is already large and unweildy, I will be writing this script with the assumption that you chose to play a Male Major White.]

[Screen slowly fades in, Major White shifts in his bed. He's clearly asleep, and having a nightmare, tossing and turning. He lies back and gasps, his eyes snapping open, we zoom in and go into his eye, screen zooms into his pupil, going black, we fade in from black and see a forest, identical to those we saw in Shepard's dreams, we hear men laughing. A group of soldiers are sitting together at a well-lit card table, laughing and dealing cards, they all seem to glow brightly, where the table meets the forest, it almost seems like the forest is an image superimposed over the image of the men playing cards. There is an ominous whispering in the background, with oily shadows encroaching from the sides of the screen.]

[Major White stands up. He's wearing an Alliance uniform, but it's covered in burns and cuts, stained with blood. The player may take control of White at this point. He moves in slow motion, much like Shepard did in his dreams. You can see shadows watching you from the sidelines, parts flickering like fire and breaking off as though in a high wind. You can't do anything other than approach the men playing cards. As you do so, two stand up to welcome you, then the table bursts into flame, taking the men with it. White reaches out to them, looking distraught.]

[Major White snaps awake, eyes flickering open as we hear lightning outside, see a flash, and hear rain beginning to come down. White just looks confused for a moment, visibly upset. The Major lies back down in his bed and curls up, trying to go back to sleep. Fade to black. Go to 4.]
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masster blaster wrote...

So I guess we have nothing to talk about now, until we get new info that could support IT. Also I think Bioware feels that we speculated to quickly, and maybe are moving their plans for a new dlc that is on the way.


Anything guys/lady's?