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[Bill Casey]

balance5050 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Compare to ringing of Object Rho...

www.youtube.com/watch

BTW, at 0:50 we see a familiar white glow for a split second.

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=medium 

Holy ****...
Someone fire up the Parabolee signal...

[Thomasrifkins]

Dracorequiem wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Nice! Can any people knowledgable about music determine what notes those chimes are at the beginning of that vid? Could potentially be a clue. 

no joke, the chime notes are A, B, C.

My mind = blown to smithereeens. It's like inception and they're trying desperately to tell us how terrible the literal ending is.

ah nvm just doublechecked it's ACE. i just wanted to believe the other

Neither, I get D E G

[Destructorlio]

Bill Casey wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Compare to ringing of Object Rho...

www.youtube.com/watch

Woah! Okay, that's a potential link, right there.

[Wabajakka]

Destructorlio wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Compare to ringing of Object Rho...

www.youtube.com/watch

Woah! Okay, that's a potential link, right there.

My poor ears....

Great catch though.

[HellishFiend]

*snip* 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 23 mai 2012 - 05:49 .

[blooregard]

I think I may have thought something up...its kinda IT related but it mostly explains the Collector's interest in Shepard and why Cerberus revived him and all that fun stuff (this will mostly be grasping at straws and wild speculation but I think I came up with something good and could use your opinions)

As a warning I may type this in Mordin's voice as I'll be saying alot of stuff and Mordin's voice would make it go faster.


Anyway we have Jack Harper that came into (in)direct contact with the Arca Monolith a Reaper artifact this gave him his eyes this makes it very clear that he's probably indoctrinated to some degree as early on as the first contact war. With very obvious Reaper intervention he creates Cerberus. Skip to ME1.

Shepard stops Saren, stops Sovereign, prevents Reaper invasion, has just about everyone convinced the Reapers are a real threat. Skip to ME2

Normandy attacked Shepard killed Collectors clearly had the upper hand if they had such an interest in him they would have scooped him up right then and there or would have subdued him and captured him, use seeker swarms to disable Normandy crew take crew for experiments keep Shepard for their uses instead destroy Normandy, let crew escape and leave Shepard to die.Skip to ME: Redemption.

Shadow Broker scoops up Shepard and agrees to hand him over to the Collectors. Cerberus contacts Liara and Feron request they get Shepard's body back. TIM states that if the two fail he has other assets that could come into play if need be. Possible other assets are find a way to have the Collectors discreetly pass Shepard's body off to Cerberus. Liara successful recovers Shepard's body Lazarus project begins. Two years later

Shepard is revived awoken in a facility run by a known terrorist organization. Shepard speaks to illusive man and is told the Collectors are abducting colonists and manages to rope Shepard in with a noble cause eventual truth that the Collectors are Reaper pawn solidifies Shepard's cooperation. We know from ME3 that TIM wanted "sympathetic faces" with Shepard instead of all Cerberus operatives.

These people were 10/12 times outside Cerberus people he knew he could rely on more so then Cerberus Jacob was an alliance soldier and can relate with Shepard on a level and Miranda was there to uphold the illusion of it still being a Cerberus operation. TIM gets in touch with Chakwas, Joker, Daniels and Donnley as well as puts Kelly on board this gives Shepard the illusion that Cerberus is genuinely looking out for the good of humanity and could possibly be trusted.

Likely "real" goal for TIM would have been to get revive Shepard. While working for a terrorist organization his reputation would be more intact then if he were revived by the Collectors or just so happened to show up on the Citadel after 2 years and claim that he survived what many saw him die in. Eventually TIM/Reaper intentions would come into play. Shepard would be killed/captured by Collectors and subjected to some form of indoctrination. People still willing to trust Shepard as he's fighting to save human colonies eventually wins their trust and ultimately brings the galaxy to ruin as he is ultimately the only one who can lead the fight to defeat the Reapers indoctrinating him would prove fatal to his cycle. This would explain why TIM wants him to fight the Collectors and sends him to the Collector Cruiser, the derelict Reaper, and the Collector base all possible attempts to get him killed, captured, and/or indoctrinated the success of this is in question but for the sake of my beliefs and this thread they may be successful. Secondary goal likely would have been Shepard sparing Collector base allowing Cerberus to study/complete the Human-Reaper all in the name of "Humanity". With a bonus of possibly having Shepard lost forever in the galactic core this would have meant that he was out of the game for good as the Collectors would have been too dead to revive him and Cerberus probably wouldn't have had the interest/time to revive him again as they would have already had the Human-Reaper and Shepard's usefulness to the Reapers would have been an acceptable loss.

Ultimate outcome of this is Shepard (possibly) destroys Collector base, leaves Cerberus and survives all attempts the Collectors/Reapers had to kill/capture/indoctrinate him. However due to prolonged exposure to Reaper artifacts indoctrination is still a viable option for the Reapers especially now as he's essentially been put in charge of the entire galaxy's military strength. Especially when he reaches Earth at the end of the game were he to fall to indoctrination his cycle would have fallen within a century as the largest portion of their military would have been wiped out in Sol.


tl;dr ME2's entire plot were the machinations of a crazy elaborate Reaper scheme to bring Shepard to their side or at least remove him from the picture. This was all just illuminati conspiracy theorist levels of "connect the dots" but it makes sense of alot of the events in the second and third game and if this is the case it validates the IT as a continuation of that scheme

[HellishFiend]

Thomasrifkins wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Nice! Can any people knowledgable about music determine what notes those chimes are at the beginning of that vid? Could potentially be a clue. 

no joke, the chime notes are A, B, C.

My mind = blown to smithereeens. It's like inception and they're trying desperately to tell us how terrible the literal ending is.

ah nvm just doublechecked it's ACE. i just wanted to believe the other

Neither, I get D E G

So its D E G then? Anyone able to speculate what that might mean? I got nothing. Perhaps it's meaningless. 

[blooregard]

HellishFiend wrote...

Thomasrifkins wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Nice! Can any people knowledgable about music determine what notes those chimes are at the beginning of that vid? Could potentially be a clue. 

no joke, the chime notes are A, B, C.

My mind = blown to smithereeens. It's like inception and they're trying desperately to tell us how terrible the literal ending is.

ah nvm just doublechecked it's ACE. i just wanted to believe the other

Neither, I get D E G

So its D E G then? Anyone able to speculate what that might mean? I got nothing. Perhaps it's meaningless. 

I'd dismiss it as as unimportant and irrelevent but my previous post put me in the tin foil hat wearing crowd.

[Bill Casey]

blooregard wrote...

I think I may have thought something up...its kinda IT related but it mostly explains the Collector's interest in Shepard and why Cerberus revived him and all that fun stuff (this will mostly be grasping at straws and wild speculation but I think I came up with something good and could use your opinions)

*snip*

James Vega - Cerberus Spy working WITH the Collectors

Also, Notice how you kept getting Turian signals in ME2?

Cerberus fakes Turian signal

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 mai 2012 - 06:37 .

[Sp3c7eR]

Just wanted to add my vote on here - I'm a believer of the IT , I really hope it's true.

[Destructorlio]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

Just wanted to add my vote on here - I'm a believer of the IT , I really hope it's true.

Please add your vote here:

http://www.holdtheli...on-theory.1909/ 

Since we know it is a poll Bioware is paying attention to.

[blooregard]

Bill Casey wrote...

blooregard wrote...

I think I may have thought something up...its kinda IT related but it mostly explains the Collector's interest in Shepard and why Cerberus revived him and all that fun stuff (this will mostly be grasping at straws and wild speculation but I think I came up with something good and could use your opinions)

*snip*

James Vega - Cerberus Spy working WITH the Collectors

Also, Notice how you kept getting Turian signals in ME2?

Cerberus fakes Turian signal

I just assume that Turian signal is a left over from ME: Evolution and he's used it from time to time.

the cerberus guy working for the Collectors is intersting...was Vega on Horizon when this happened? We may have found something of interest.



EDIT: I just remembered EDI says the Turian signal originated from the Collector vessel...this...is interesting.

Modifié par blooregard, 23 mai 2012 - 06:59 .

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm, the Rannoch destroyer was probably more stable in that since it was an entire fleet using KINETIC weapons which we know their shields are more effective against,and that likely a goodly sized chunk of the fleet had to hit it dead on despite shooting from orbit, while also keeping the Geth off their backs. So yeah plausible.

THe Hades Cannons I don't think were destroyers, but I suppose the argument could be made that Shepard was firing a projectile slow enough to pass their shield and then blew up with an excessive amount of force right under the bottom of their chassis. Either that or it was causin a chain reaction, or potentially could be from the Cain ripping the attached Hades Cannon from it's mounting, which could potentially kill the destroyer as well.

Conduit destroyer was taken out by two THANIX missiles remember, which we know are considerably more effective.

Except that Thanix cannons cause the damage they do because of their tremendous speed. Thanix missiles makes no sense. It's like throwing a handful of bullets at something and expecting it to do the same damage as a barrage from an AK-47.

This was from about 10 pages ago, but I want to point out, the missiles are actually Javelin missiles, not Thanix. In ME2 they were in the last N7 mission, and you get them as War Assets for going to the same planet you saved in ME3.

For some reason, only when you need to launch them, they get renamed Thanix missiles.  So, for all intents and purposes, they're Javelins.

[Mystical Taurus]

As I'm sure a number of you know, others have pointed out there are piles of "bodies" to the left and right of Shepard after getting shot by Harbinger, but before making it the beam. Weirdly rendered, 2dish/ completely unrealistic bodies, dreamlike enough to be a major clue this isn't real. So, has Bioware confirmed this was a mistake, and will be patched in the future, or not?

[Big G13]

Mystical Taurus wrote...

As I'm sure a number of you know, others have pointed out there are piles of "bodies" to the left and right of Shepard after getting shot by Harbinger, but before making it the beam. Weirdly rendered, 2dish/ completely unrealistic bodies, dreamlike enough to be a major clue this isn't real. So, has Bioware confirmed this was a mistake, and will be patched in the future, or not?

Not that I've heard, but then again I haven't heard Bioware discounting much if anything. Also, did you notice that those 2dish bodies are wearing Ash and Kaiden armor from ME1?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm, the Rannoch destroyer was probably more stable in that since it was an entire fleet using KINETIC weapons which we know their shields are more effective against,and that likely a goodly sized chunk of the fleet had to hit it dead on despite shooting from orbit, while also keeping the Geth off their backs. So yeah plausible.

THe Hades Cannons I don't think were destroyers, but I suppose the argument could be made that Shepard was firing a projectile slow enough to pass their shield and then blew up with an excessive amount of force right under the bottom of their chassis. Either that or it was causin a chain reaction, or potentially could be from the Cain ripping the attached Hades Cannon from it's mounting, which could potentially kill the destroyer as well.

Conduit destroyer was taken out by two THANIX missiles remember, which we know are considerably more effective.

Except that Thanix cannons cause the damage they do because of their tremendous speed. Thanix missiles makes no sense. It's like throwing a handful of bullets at something and expecting it to do the same damage as a barrage from an AK-47.

This was from about 10 pages ago, but I want to point out, the missiles are actually Javelin missiles, not Thanix. In ME2 they were in the last N7 mission, and you get them as War Assets for going to the same planet you saved in ME3.

For some reason, only when you need to launch them, they get renamed Thanix missiles.  So, for all intents and purposes, they're Javelins.

Actually i would guess Thanix missiles are based upon the principle of it beeing essentailly liquid metal suspended in an electromagnetic field. Possibly the entire missle is practically turned into this before impact or it is at the core of the missile exploding outwards as it strikes its target.

Dont know really, just a guess as to why they are called Thanix missiles.

[nightcobra]

Orange Tee wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Compare to ringing of Object Rho...

www.youtube.com/watch

Woah! Okay, that's a potential link, right there.

My poor ears....

Great catch though.

how about this?


never heard of a reaper sounding quite like this, reminds me of the clicking noise when geth communicate.

[Wyatt Shepard]

D.Sharrah wrote...

The Keepers...that got me thinking of their relationship with the Citadel. In ME 1 aren't we told (by Vigil) that the Prothean scientists were able to alter the Keepers so that they only responded to the Citadel itself and not an outside source (like the Reapers)? A couple of things jump out about this:

1. Are we to assume that the Keepers were indoctrinated at one point, and as they continued to "evolve" that the "indoctrination" just became a part of their "genetic" structure? And if so, does this mean that the Prothean scientists discovered a way to "disable" indoctrination?

2. If the Prothean scientists had enough knowledge about the Keepers to make alterations to their "genetic structure/synthetic code" so that they would not listen to the Repaers...is it possible that they had some knowledge of the Keepers before they became Reaper servants? Is it possible that they are the race that had merged themselves with AI to survive their planets impending doom during the Prothean's cycle?

EDIT:  3.  If we are to believe the Catalyst the he is the Citadel (and in control of the Reapers) doesn't this create huge problems for the whole Keepers don't listen to the Reapers thing.

1. No. If you recall, Vigil describes the Keepers as one of the first species to be subjugated by the Reapers. Like the Collectors, they are not really indoctrinated. They are the end result of a genetic alternation program that changed them to such a degree they are hard recognizable as what they were originally. If the Keepers were a species that was indoctrinated, they have since been so dramatically altered by the Reapers they do not resemble their original form. They can only do what they have been programed to do. The Protheans did not undo any indocrination because there wasn't any to undo. The keepers were like tools. Like a multilegged toaster or something. All the Protheans did was change how they recieved Reaper signals to prevent the Reapers from seizing control of the Citadel.

2. Probably not. Again, what we know of the Keepers suggests they were indoctrinated and then dramatically altered thousands upon thousands of years BEFORE the Protheans rose to power. Remember the Citadel predates the Protheans.

3. I don't think so. The starbrat says that the Cruible changed him. So unless starbrat is actually Harbringer or something(my own pet fav. idea about the kid) then it is some sort AI that was kicking around in the Citadel, and altered by the Crucible which made it possible for it to appear before Shep. The Keepers have nothing to do with it.

[bencew]

Arian Dynas wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm, the Rannoch destroyer was probably more stable in that since it was an entire fleet using KINETIC weapons which we know their shields are more effective against,and that likely a goodly sized chunk of the fleet had to hit it dead on despite shooting from orbit, while also keeping the Geth off their backs. So yeah plausible.

THe Hades Cannons I don't think were destroyers, but I suppose the argument could be made that Shepard was firing a projectile slow enough to pass their shield and then blew up with an excessive amount of force right under the bottom of their chassis. Either that or it was causin a chain reaction, or potentially could be from the Cain ripping the attached Hades Cannon from it's mounting, which could potentially kill the destroyer as well.

Conduit destroyer was taken out by two THANIX missiles remember, which we know are considerably more effective.

Except that Thanix cannons cause the damage they do because of their tremendous speed. Thanix missiles makes no sense. It's like throwing a handful of bullets at something and expecting it to do the same damage as a barrage from an AK-47.

If Thanix missiles really make no sense, as you say, maybe that's another sign that something is really wrong with the London/post-3rd-dream sequence.

And yes, the Hades Cannon is mounted on a destroyer. If you just look at it, you can plainly see it's a destroyer... 

If I had to try and make Thanix missles make sense, I would say Thanix missles might work something like;

Parts:
- Mass Effect core, designed to superaccelerate both the missile and it's contents
- Metallic core, designed to render down into liquid upon impact with the target and then spray violently outward from the impact site.
- Warhead, designed to cause a small localized explosion, both on the outside of the missile, as with conventional missiles, while also detonating a charge in the metallic core to liquidize and superheat the metal, as well as rupturing the metallic core, causing the spary

I don't know about you guys, but personally, I could buy that, though I could be talking entirely out of my ass, not being a literal rocket scientist or ballistics expert.

Basically this is how HEAT rounds work in real life, so yes, it absolutely makes sense

Modifié par bencew, 23 mai 2012 - 08:38 .

[MaximizedAction]

HellishFiend wrote...

Thomasrifkins wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Nice! Can any people knowledgable about music determine what notes those chimes are at the beginning of that vid? Could potentially be a clue. 

no joke, the chime notes are A, B, C.

My mind = blown to smithereeens. It's like inception and they're trying desperately to tell us how terrible the literal ending is.

ah nvm just doublechecked it's ACE. i just wanted to believe the other

Neither, I get D E G

So its D E G then? Anyone able to speculate what that might mean? I got nothing. Perhaps it's meaningless. 

This...this is not a game anymore. These ringings, among the many other things hidden in ME3, are things you cannot notice unless you stumble upon them by accident or look for them explicitly.
I simply cannot imagine how Bioware is going to 'reveal' them, if at all. It's not like the dialogs or dreams in KOTOR, it's much more subtle.
As they said, the ending could just as well speaks for itself.

Again, for all the pro BW-lazy: that sheer amount of clues, oddities can IN NO WAY be placed randomly or by accident.

With these ringings I finally believe that with ME3 Bioware might have created something that is in the likes of classical literature. In complexity and interpratative value.

ME3 is just too complex to be considered merely a game. I think one can easily base dissertations (in multiple fields) on this.

TL:DR?
Ring ring ring blew my mind!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 23 mai 2012 - 08:35 .

[BleedingUranium]

MaximizedAction wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Thomasrifkins wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

Dracorequiem wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

hears a short video of some strange sounds I noticed at end game.
www.youtube.com/watch

Nice! Can any people knowledgable about music determine what notes those chimes are at the beginning of that vid? Could potentially be a clue. 

no joke, the chime notes are A, B, C.

My mind = blown to smithereeens. It's like inception and they're trying desperately to tell us how terrible the literal ending is.

ah nvm just doublechecked it's ACE. i just wanted to believe the other

Neither, I get D E G

So its D E G then? Anyone able to speculate what that might mean? I got nothing. Perhaps it's meaningless. 

This...this is not a game anymore. These ringings, among the many other things hidden in ME3, are things you cannot notice unless you look for them explicitly. I simply cannot imagine how Bioware is going to 'reveal' them, if at all. As they said, the ending just as well speaks for itself.

That sheer amount of clues, oddities can IN NO WAY be placed randomly or by laziness.

With these ringings I finally believe that with ME3 Bioware might have created something that is in the likes of classical literature.

ME3 is just too complex to be considered merely a game. I think one can easily base dissertations (in multiple fields) on this.

TL:DR?
Ring ring ring blew my mind!

Is it part of the note progression of a theme or track from ME? I'm good with music, but not good enough to place where that may or may not be from

[bencew]

As to why Mr. Priestly might've posted that poll only on the HTL forums: he had posted several polls there before and he posted something on his twitter account only a few hours before that poll about some message from people from HTL how they won't accept the EC DLC and such

Modifié par bencew, 23 mai 2012 - 08:41 .

[Fingertrip]

bencew wrote...

As to why Mr. Priestly might've posted that poll only on the HTL forums: he had posted several polls there before and he posted something on his twitter account only a few hours before that poll about some message from people from HTL how they won't accept the EC DLC and such

Because, quite literally and putting it simply. The Retake movement and HTL are a bunch of ****s. Whiners, and believe they're entitled to whatever they wish.

Uggh, despise them greatly I do.

[paxxton]

Hello! My opinion on Reaper fights is that they were made simple for gameplay reasons. It's unfortunate because there are so many other ways you can fight a Reaper, not only with guns but also with hacking or planting a computer virus, or like during the IFF mission in ME2 - getting inside and destroying the core. The Reapers are oversimplified in ME3.

[MaximizedAction]

Fingertrip wrote...

bencew wrote...

As to why Mr. Priestly might've posted that poll only on the HTL forums: he had posted several polls there before and he posted something on his twitter account only a few hours before that poll about some message from people from HTL how they won't accept the EC DLC and such

Because, quite literally and putting it simply. The Retake movement and HTL are a bunch of ****s. Whiners, and believe they're entitled to whatever they wish.

Uggh, despise them greatly I do.

Come one, at least their more positive than the nihilists that just want to b*tch about the ending and nothing else.