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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

@smokingotter1: The reason it seems like clevernoob is the "end all be all for IT vids" is because his are the most fun to watch. He has the right idea by making it more cinematic, this makes it more likely that people will watch the video because it isn't "boring." Clevenoob helps our cause a lot because the more people that watch the video, the more supporters he/we get. People are not nearly as interested listening to a person talk over a few still images.

I find prettz's videos on IT much more entertaining. He should compile all of them into a single one and add some new stuff too.

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paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

@smokingotter1: The reason it seems like clevernoob is the "end all be all for IT vids" is because his are the most fun to watch. He has the right idea by making it more cinematic, this makes it more likely that people will watch the video because it isn't "boring." Clevenoob helps our cause a lot because the more people that watch the video, the more supporters he/we get. People are not nearly as interested listening to a person talk over a few still images.

I find prettz's videos on IT much more entertaining. He should compile all of them into a single one and add some new stuff too.


We could create one super IT video... one video to rule them all.

And it will be a glorious five hours long

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paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

@smokingotter1: The reason it seems like clevernoob is the "end all be all for IT vids" is because his are the most fun to watch. He has the right idea by making it more cinematic, this makes it more likely that people will watch the video because it isn't "boring." Clevenoob helps our cause a lot because the more people that watch the video, the more supporters he/we get. People are not nearly as interested listening to a person talk over a few still images.

I find prettz's videos on IT much more entertaining. He should compile all of them into a single one and add some new stuff too.


I would definitely agree. I love watching prettz's videos. The only problem is that to understand most of his videos you already need to be somewhat familiar with the IT. But don't forget. Some of prettz's videos/findings were used by clevernoob. I think the solution is to have prettz compile all his videos together and have someone else explain what's going on for the newer people.

Edit: I guess I worded my clevernoob post wrong. Of the really long documentary style videos, his are fun to watch.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:07 .


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Flog61 wrote...

Here's something to demotivate you (don't click if sqeeumish):

http://25.media.tumb...hmako1_1280.jpg


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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

@smokingotter1: The reason it seems like clevernoob is the "end all be all for IT vids" is because his are the most fun to watch. He has the right idea by making it more cinematic, this makes it more likely that people will watch the video because it isn't "boring." Clevenoob helps our cause a lot because the more people that watch the video, the more supporters he/we get. People are not nearly as interested listening to a person talk over a few still images.

I find prettz's videos on IT much more entertaining. He should compile all of them into a single one and add some new stuff too.


I would definitely agree. I love watching prettz's videos. The only problem is that to understand most of his videos you already need to be somewhat familiar with the IT. But don't forget. Some of prettz's videos/findings were used by clevernoob. I think the solution is to have prettz compile all his videos together and have someone else explain what's going on for the newer people.

Edit: I guess I worded my clevernoob post wrong. Of the really long documentary style videos, his are fun to watch.

It's because they show a subset of the evidence for IT at a time. A compiled video should have some kind of introduction and an ending. It would be a good idea to voice it over so that people can just sit and listen. Maybe we can hire that guy who reads the Codex. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:21 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

@smokingotter1: The reason it seems like clevernoob is the "end all be all for IT vids" is because his are the most fun to watch. He has the right idea by making it more cinematic, this makes it more likely that people will watch the video because it isn't "boring." Clevenoob helps our cause a lot because the more people that watch the video, the more supporters he/we get. People are not nearly as interested listening to a person talk over a few still images.

I find prettz's videos on IT much more entertaining. He should compile all of them into a single one and add some new stuff too.


We could create one super IT video... one video to rule them all.

And it will be a glorious five hours long

That would have to be made into a mini-series. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:17 .


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magnetite wrote...

Have you guys seen this video?

Just bumping this to the front page, as it's by far the best example of an IT video I've seen. Sums everything up so nicely...

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magnetite wrote...

Have you guys seen this video?

Just bumping this to the front page, as it's by far the best example of an IT video I've seen. Sums everything up so nicely...


I choose destroy on the first play through before watching that video. After watching that video though this is how I see people who played through ME1-ME3 and still choose control/synthesis.... no offense*

Starchild: "You can pick destroy, control, or synthesis..."
Player: "Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy... Control or synthesis? I'll choose either baby!"

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Source: from Conan O'Brian

Modifié par smokingotter1, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:28 .


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Going back to prettz's video. While his findings about the Kodiak turning into a Cerberus transport, Coats being in 2 places at once, people contradicting each other, the hats and lack of hats situation etc are definitely interesting. What does it actually boil down to? It basically can only be explained by saying "all of this stuff is amiss because it is a hallucination" meaning it works perfectly!

Edit: As for clevernoob, his videos do give a little too much leniency towards the literal thinking. Him saying "it is possible that..." loses us a little ground sometimes but the amount of evidence he puts forth in his videos counters this I think. It's good that he's trying to stay unbiased but it sometimes sounds like he's biased towards the literal thinking.

Edit again: There has to be some deeper meanings behind Coats. I find it hard to believe that he was only added to show that "things are not as they seem." What other things did he do that had an actual effect on the ending? (besides some of the obvious ones that we know already. eg. "everyone fall back to the buildings").

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:33 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Have you guys seen this video?

Just bumping this to the front page, as it's by far the best example of an IT video I've seen. Sums everything up so nicely...


I choose destroy on the first play through before watching that video. After watching that video though this is how I see people who played through ME1-ME3 and still choose control/synthesis.... no offense*

Starchild: "You can pick destroy, control, or synthesis..."
Player: "Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy... Control or synthesis? I'll choose either baby!"

*snip*

So why do you trust people who say the Reapers must be crushed and not Saren saying that Shepard and everybody else are going to die? Posted Image

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@paxxton: I chose destroy because if I chose anything else I'd basically be saying "everyone but 3 people in the entire galaxy were wrong." The probability of this was so low that I just stuck to what were told throughout the game. Our goal was not to understand them after all.

Edit: this really sounds like "one way is always right and changing/listening to the minority doesn't work." But all the evidence points towards destroy being the safest bet.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:44 .


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paxxton wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Have you guys seen this video?

Just bumping this to the front page, as it's by far the best example of an IT video I've seen. Sums everything up so nicely...


I choose destroy on the first play through before watching that video. After watching that video though this is how I see people who played through ME1-ME3 and still choose control/synthesis.... no offense*

Starchild: "You can pick destroy, control, or synthesis..."
Player: "Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy... Control or synthesis? I'll choose either baby!"

*snip*

So why do you trust people who say the Reapers must be crushed and not Saren saying that Shepard and everybody else are going to die? Posted Image


Otter intuition, I just know. :wizard:

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smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

@smokingotter1: The reason it seems like clevernoob is the "end all be all for IT vids" is because his are the most fun to watch. He has the right idea by making it more cinematic, this makes it more likely that people will watch the video because it isn't "boring." Clevenoob helps our cause a lot because the more people that watch the video, the more supporters he/we get. People are not nearly as interested listening to a person talk over a few still images.

I find prettz's videos on IT much more entertaining. He should compile all of them into a single one and add some new stuff too.


We could create one super IT video... one video to rule them all.

And it will be a glorious five hours long


Please don't...lol

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Going back to prettz's video. While his findings about the Kodiak turning into a Cerberus transport, Coats being in 2 places at once, people contradicting each other, the hats and lack of hats situation etc are definitely interesting. What does it actually boil down to? It basically can only be explained by saying "all of this stuff is amiss because it is a hallucination" meaning it works perfectly!

For once I'm actually gonna go for 'development convenience' on the shuttle and not animating Coates leaving the shuttle.

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I'm back, so did I miss anything while I was gone?

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Hey guys, haven't been around in a couple days. Had a thought when I saw one of those stupid "There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemies." banners.

That's odd wording, no? The Reapers are his remote control killicopters, and that's how he puts it? Then I thought about it for a minute. It's being said in a Reaperized Shepard voice? That's... that's not Shepard talking about harnessing the Reapers' strengths. That's the Reapers talking about harnessing Shepard's strengths.

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Rifneno wrote...

Hey guys, haven't been around in a couple days. Had a thought when I saw one of those stupid "There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemies." banners.

That's odd wording, no? The Reapers are his remote control killicopters, and that's how he puts it? Then I thought about it for a minute. It's being said in a Reaperized Shepard voice? That's... that's not Shepard talking about harnessing the Reapers' strengths. That's the Reapers talking about harnessing Shepard's strengths.

I like that, the reapers have just improved themselves by adding Shepards mind to the collective, kinda like the borg.

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magnetite wrote...

Have you guys seen this video? Basically it seems IT related, where all the antagonists throughout the series would have chosen control or synthesis (depending on the antagonist, but none of them want to destroy the Reapers), yet all the characters on your side want to destroy the Reapers. Therefore, there is only one choice. [/quote]

No there isn't. BW deliberately made it so that any one of the choices were as valid as the other. We have no way of knowing for sure what the other characters would have chosen if the new information and new options that the Catalyst told Shepard was given to them.




@Sub actually this is probably the most underrated video on youtube in regards to indoctrination. Even though it's not advocating specificially for indoctrination it goes into detail about theme, what the characters in ME have to say in regards to the decision chamber.

Everyone talks about clevernoob like he's the end all be all for indoctrination videos (and ignoring acavyos), this video is way better IMO.

Otter approved.


I agree, this video is brilliant.
at the end when all that left in control and synthesis are Reaper pics, as opposed to every other character in destroy is particularly awesome

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RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hey guys, haven't been around in a couple days. Had a thought when I saw one of those stupid "There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemies." banners.

That's odd wording, no? The Reapers are his remote control killicopters, and that's how he puts it? Then I thought about it for a minute. It's being said in a Reaperized Shepard voice? That's... that's not Shepard talking about harnessing the Reapers' strengths. That's the Reapers talking about harnessing Shepard's strengths.

I like that, the reapers have just improved themselves by adding Shepards mind to the collective, kinda like the borg.


Man, I hope the yagh will be prepared for paxxton's super-reaper in 50,000 years.

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Rifneno wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hey guys, haven't been around in a couple days. Had a thought when I saw one of those stupid "There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemies." banners.

That's odd wording, no? The Reapers are his remote control killicopters, and that's how he puts it? Then I thought about it for a minute. It's being said in a Reaperized Shepard voice? That's... that's not Shepard talking about harnessing the Reapers' strengths. That's the Reapers talking about harnessing Shepard's strengths.

I like that, the reapers have just improved themselves by adding Shepards mind to the collective, kinda like the borg.


Man, I hope the yagh will be prepared for paxxton's super-reaper in 50,000 years.


I wonder what a Yahg reaper troop would look like :blink:. Good thing we didn't have to fight those in this cycle!

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

I wonder what a Yahg reaper troop would look like :blink:.


Two words.  Roseanne Barr.

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Rifneno wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hey guys, haven't been around in a couple days. Had a thought when I saw one of those stupid "There is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemies." banners.

That's odd wording, no? The Reapers are his remote control killicopters, and that's how he puts it? Then I thought about it for a minute. It's being said in a Reaperized Shepard voice? That's... that's not Shepard talking about harnessing the Reapers' strengths. That's the Reapers talking about harnessing Shepard's strengths.

I like that, the reapers have just improved themselves by adding Shepards mind to the collective, kinda like the borg.


Man, I hope the yagh will be prepared for paxxton's super-reaper in 50,000 years.

My Reapers are friendly and good-hearted. They do the cleaning and the dishes. Posted ImagePosted Image

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I'm guessing everyone is out playing the new Earth DLC right now and that's why the forums are slow today.

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L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I'm guessing everyone is out playing the new Earth DLC right now and that's why the forums are slow today.


Only the Xboxers.  PC and PS3 don't have it yet.  *grumble*  I WANT MY PALADIN DAMNIT!

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L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I'm guessing everyone is out playing the new Earth DLC right now and that's why the forums are slow today.

Didn't decide to pay microsoft for the privilege of multiplayer on release day, still haven't now.