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Did the blue bubble around phantoms when they're invincible get added with this DLC, or was it added a while ago? I havent played MP in a month or so.


Invincible Phantoms? :blink:  This is news to me.

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byne wrote...

Did the blue bubble around phantoms when they're invincible get added with this DLC, or was it added a while ago? I havent played MP in a month or so.


I haven't played with the DLC yet but if you mean where she stands still with her palm out and she's invincible, that was with the patch. Otherwise, yeah, it's new.

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DrTsoni wrote...

byne wrote...

Did the blue bubble around phantoms when they're invincible get added with this DLC, or was it added a while ago? I havent played MP in a month or so.


I haven't played with the DLC yet but if you mean where she stands still with her palm out and she's invincible, that was with the patch. Otherwise, yeah, it's new.


If that's it, then I think I'd heard of this legendary ability (And seen it used by Kai Leng.), though I don't think I've ever experienced it.

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Dwailing wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

byne wrote...

Did the blue bubble around phantoms when they're invincible get added with this DLC, or was it added a while ago? I havent played MP in a month or so.


I haven't played with the DLC yet but if you mean where she stands still with her palm out and she's invincible, that was with the patch. Otherwise, yeah, it's new.


If that's it, then I think I'd heard of this legendary ability (And seen it used by Kai Leng.), though I don't think I've ever experienced it.


You must not have fought many phantoms. They do it all the time.

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Dwailing wrote...

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Dwailing wrote...

Anyway, I had a thought about the trailer.  It showed Big Ben being destroyed, and it looked like the Destroy wave was responsible.  I don't know if this means anything, but is it possible BioWare is hinting that Big Ben was destroyed already, and it's presense in the end sequence is weird?  Also, I thought the other trailer with Coats showed Big Ben being destroyed.


that's true it Big Ben was destroyed in the trailer, and Coats was traped in Big Ben when it came down on him.


Bumping this for speculating.  It seems weird to me that they would show Big Ben being destroyed in TWO SEPARATE TRAILERS and still have it show up in the end sequence.  I doubt that they would just "forget" that they already destroyed it.  And since Shepard wouldn't KNOW that Big Ben was destroyed, he would assume that it's still around since it's, you know, a London landmark.


Gotta be honest: my ITer side is frantically fighting the literalist in me who keeps insisting: "Brah, this is just Bioware not paying enough attention to detail."


I just watched the trailer again, and Big Ben doesn't get touched Posted Image


Look at this trailer at 1:10: 
  It REALLY looks like the beam is going to bring down Big Ben.  Also, look in the Earth trailer at around... wow, this is an interesting coincidence: 1:09/1:10:  

It seems like they're REALLY trying to imply that Big Ben was destroyed.  And yes, I know in the Earth trailer that that's footage from the medium EMS Destroy ending, I think, but it still seems interesting that they would show Big Ben getting destroyed.


Looks like the beam goes behind it in the first video. In the second, it is medium EMS Destroy (or at least the old one, haven't seen it with EC) but they probably just added that to make it more dramatic. As far as why Shepard would think it's still standing, you see it in the background while running through London...So it's either still standing or an early hallucination on Shepard's part.

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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

byne wrote...

Did the blue bubble around phantoms when they're invincible get added with this DLC, or was it added a while ago? I havent played MP in a month or so.


I haven't played with the DLC yet but if you mean where she stands still with her palm out and she's invincible, that was with the patch. Otherwise, yeah, it's new.


If that's it, then I think I'd heard of this legendary ability (And seen it used by Kai Leng.), though I don't think I've ever experienced it.


You must not have fought many phantoms. They do it all the time.


Oh trust me, I've fought MANY Phantoms, and I don't remember them ever doing that.  It could be that when I'm fighting them, they're usually right in front of me. :)  What can I say, that's the only way to fight a Phantom.  POINT BLANK RANGE FTW!!!

OK, I've fought them at long range many times, but still. ;)

Modifié par Dwailing, 17 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .


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DrTsoni wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Anyway, I had a thought about the trailer.  It showed Big Ben being destroyed, and it looked like the Destroy wave was responsible.  I don't know if this means anything, but is it possible BioWare is hinting that Big Ben was destroyed already, and it's presense in the end sequence is weird?  Also, I thought the other trailer with Coats showed Big Ben being destroyed.


that's true it Big Ben was destroyed in the trailer, and Coats was traped in Big Ben when it came down on him.


Bumping this for speculating.  It seems weird to me that they would show Big Ben being destroyed in TWO SEPARATE TRAILERS and still have it show up in the end sequence.  I doubt that they would just "forget" that they already destroyed it.  And since Shepard wouldn't KNOW that Big Ben was destroyed, he would assume that it's still around since it's, you know, a London landmark.


Gotta be honest: my ITer side is frantically fighting the literalist in me who keeps insisting: "Brah, this is just Bioware not paying enough attention to detail."


I just watched the trailer again, and Big Ben doesn't get touched Posted Image


Look at this trailer at 1:10: 
  It REALLY looks like the beam is going to bring down Big Ben.  Also, look in the Earth trailer at around... wow, this is an interesting coincidence: 1:09/1:10:  

It seems like they're REALLY trying to imply that Big Ben was destroyed.  And yes, I know in the Earth trailer that that's footage from the medium EMS Destroy ending, I think, but it still seems interesting that they would show Big Ben getting destroyed.


Looks like the beam goes behind it in the first video. In the second, it is medium EMS Destroy (or at least the old one, haven't seen it with EC) but they probably just added that to make it more dramatic. As far as why Shepard would think it's still standing, you see it in the background while running through London...So it's either still standing or an early hallucination on Shepard's part.


I know that it could just be for dramatic effect in the Earth trailer, but it just seems weird to me that they would put that in there.  It's like they WANT us to think that something is up...  Wait a minute. ;)

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So...I just downloaded the earth MP and it was...180ish megabytes? 3 new maps, 6 new characters, 3 new weapons came out to...180 megs? That doesn't make much sense. And then the extended cut was 1/7th of the games total size when it only really added 20ish minutes of video...

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IS there any news for the IT?

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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

byne wrote...

Did the blue bubble around phantoms when they're invincible get added with this DLC, or was it added a while ago? I havent played MP in a month or so.


I haven't played with the DLC yet but if you mean where she stands still with her palm out and she's invincible, that was with the patch. Otherwise, yeah, it's new.


If that's it, then I think I'd heard of this legendary ability (And seen it used by Kai Leng.), though I don't think I've ever experienced it.


You must not have fought many phantoms. They do it all the time.


They do. Though I think the healing animation is similar, since I've killed a few recently when it looked like that's what she was doing. I guess if you take her barriers down she de-cloaks like Hunters? Not sure. I've been playing almost solely Gold lately so I've been too busy trying not to let her kill me :whistle:

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

So...I just downloaded the earth MP and it was...180ish megabytes? 3 new maps, 6 new characters, 3 new weapons came out to...180 megs? That doesn't make much sense. And then the extended cut was 1/7th of the games total size when it only really added 20ish minutes of video...


"Variables."

Edit: Oh yeah, and apparently they added a few more things to earlier parts of the game. Not quite an invisible patch or extra content, but some minor things were changed/extended/fixed. Doesn't account for nearly 2GB, but it'd take up more space than just the endings.

Modifié par DrTsoni, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:04 .


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Arian is very bossy in multiplayer, just so you guys know!

:devil:

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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian is very bossy in multiplayer, just so you guys know!

:devil:


That'd be useful knowledge if I could actually play with you guys. :pinched:

Honestly, you should be careful where you say that. He may just crush you with a wall of text when you least expect it.

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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

So...I just downloaded the earth MP and it was...180ish megabytes? 3 new maps, 6 new characters, 3 new weapons came out to...180 megs? That doesn't make much sense. And then the extended cut was 1/7th of the games total size when it only really added 20ish minutes of video...

HD Cinematics are heavy 

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

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Okay guys I wanted to say what about the helmet we find in the low Destroy ending. I mean the marine that we see is the same one that was trying to help his friend, or marine buddy.Yet in the low Destroy ending the marine with the helmet is dead, and the none helmet guy pulls out the marine's bullet holed helmet.

Yet in the high Destroy ending, we see the Marine with the non hat, help the guy with the helmet up, and they are both ready to die, well the guy who is firing is. But they are about to be taken down by husk, when the evaporate by the Red beam of light.

Yet when in Control, or Synthesis the marine that is hurt cowers in fear, while his friends is being attacked, and it's funny that only Control, and Synthesis have the same scene, yet different explosions, and affects.


I noticed this too, in Destroy the soldiers make a heroic last stand, and do quite well, but in both Control and Synthesis they kinda give up and get overwhelmed. Hmm, that seems oddly familiar...


Fimilliar to what? I don't know if I'm completely mind blanking right now or if it just isn't that obvious.


To Destroy vs Control/Synthesis. Putting up a fight or giving up Posted Image



munnelly:Well i thought that that was weird to,but now that i hear you explain it it starts to seem strange.



Yes I find it weird that they have this at all. Also I wonder why we see the helmet in destroy, Control, and Synthesis endings. When it shows the fallen scene.

Modifié par masster blaster, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .


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I haven't followed the thread as closely for the last couple of weeks, so forgive me if this has been noticed already. I imported one of my ME3 characters for a run through the game with the extended cut in place, Vega no longer mentions the hum in the shuttle bay. They seem to have removed that piece of dialogue...

Modifié par Xavendithas, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:17 .


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DrTsoni wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Arian is very bossy in multiplayer, just so you guys know!

:devil:


That'd be useful knowledge if I could actually play with you guys. :pinched:

Honestly, you should be careful where you say that. He may just crush you with a wall of text when you least expect it.




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Xavendithas wrote...

I haven't followed the thread as closely for the last couple of weeks, so forgive me if this has been noticed already. I imported one of my ME3 characters for a run through the game with the extended cut in place, Vega no longer mentions the hum in the shuttle bay. They seem to have removed that piece of dialogue...


No, I played the whole game with the EC and he mentioned the hum all the time.

Modifié par krist90, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:25 .


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I thought to myself about all the previous things too, then I concluded IF they were truly hiding stuff on purpose then it means 1 thing... They want to either make more DLC or a new game. Possibly another trilogy. As for the secrets and coincidences. I have no idea, either Bioware is truly genius for being so smart with their writing or they screwed up bad and just won't admit to their mistakes.
I hope the first one.

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krist90 wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

I haven't followed the thread as closely for the last couple of weeks, so forgive me if this has been noticed already. I imported one of my ME3 characters for a run through the game with the extended cut in place, Vega no longer mentions the hum in the shuttle bay. They seem to have removed that piece of dialogue...


No, I played the whole game with the EC and he mentioned the hum all the time.


That's really odd, in my latest playthrough(about to attack the Cerberus Base) he hasn't mentioned it once. I've even caught other conversations that I had never seen before. Guess I will be starting a third run with this character.

Edit: I wonder if things change based on whether it's a characters first time through the game vs a character with a complete game under their belt.

Modifié par Xavendithas, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:34 .


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Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

So...I just downloaded the earth MP and it was...180ish megabytes? 3 new maps, 6 new characters, 3 new weapons came out to...180 megs? That doesn't make much sense. And then the extended cut was 1/7th of the games total size when it only really added 20ish minutes of video...


I'm back!! *begin dramatic music* Been stuck without internet for 3 days. I might as well have been stuck on a deserted island for that time. Then I HAVE TO go back to that island. Feels like my life is a real version of Lost. *sigh*

The implications of the Big Ben being "destroyed" is interesting. In the videos it implys that they are destroyed...I always assumed that was creative choice for the videos but knowing BioWare it could easily be a message. Or not. Who knows? (BioWare does...)

My idea with the DLC's lately w/ EC and after, I think BioWare is sneaking content below our noses. It would make sense....clever BioWare....clever....:bandit:

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lex0r11 wrote...

Arian is very bossy in multiplayer, just so you guys know!

:devil:


Cue the cracking whip. :devil:

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Anyway. Off back to the deserted island for now.... :(

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Xavendithas wrote...

krist90 wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

I haven't followed the thread as closely for the last couple of weeks, so forgive me if this has been noticed already. I imported one of my ME3 characters for a run through the game with the extended cut in place, Vega no longer mentions the hum in the shuttle bay. They seem to have removed that piece of dialogue...


No, I played the whole game with the EC and he mentioned the hum all the time.


That's really odd, in my latest playthrough(about to attack the Cerberus Base) he hasn't mentioned it once. I've even caught other conversations that I had never seen before. Guess I will be starting a third run with this character.


Indeed, maybe there are different conversations on subsequent plathroughs.

Modifié par krist90, 17 juillet 2012 - 11:40 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

So...I just downloaded the earth MP and it was...180ish megabytes? 3 new maps, 6 new characters, 3 new weapons came out to...180 megs? That doesn't make much sense. And then the extended cut was 1/7th of the games total size when it only really added 20ish minutes of video...


I'm back!! *begin dramatic music* Been stuck without internet for 3 days. I might as well have been stuck on a deserted island for that time. Then I HAVE TO go back to that island. Feels like my life is a real version of Lost. *sigh*

The implications of the Big Ben being "destroyed" is interesting. In the videos it implys that they are destroyed...I always assumed that was creative choice for the videos but knowing BioWare it could easily be a message. Or not. Who knows? (BioWare does...)

My idea with the DLC's lately w/ EC and after, I think BioWare is sneaking content below our noses. It would make sense....clever BioWare....clever....:bandit:


I don't know either, I've made it a fair ways away and still he hasn't said it to me and i've played through twice already... I was also wondering about the whole dialogue too. Very confusing.