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[Schachmatt123]

Why Arrival (and most likely all story DLCs are) is canon:

C. Hudson:
The DLC 'Arrival' is basically the last piece of story that bridges
the two games. Admiral Hackett sends you to investigate this mass relay
where the Reapers are going to make their entry point into the galaxy
because their original plan - the Citadel - is closed off.
You have to sacrifice thousands of people in order to slam that door
shut on the Reapers. So Shepard's kind of stuck trying to explain all
this stuff. But as you're doing that the Reapers actually arrive and
take the Earth.

Link

In the same Interview, he talks about 12 Squadmates in Mass Effect 2 - that's only possible with the DLCs.


M. Walters about working with canon in the literature:
Certainly for some events that occurred we have to go with a
certain cannon version. So there's a chance that what you read might not be
exactly the events you remember, but for the most part what we were able to do
is take the time frame and events that could happen with any Shepard and I
think a lot of it will come out in the details when they see it and people will
understand.

Link

So of course they base their universe on a certain canon.


M. Walters on working with canon in the Conviction comic:
If you'll notice in the comics we're very
careful to sort of avoid certain things.  We never see Shepard.  If
you'll notice in the last comic, Conviction
with James Vega we had a little shot in there of Shepard at one point
shackled.  But really we had to keep that ambiguous - is it a male or a
female - so yeah we're very careful to talk about things in the comics
that we know happened.

Link


If anyone still in doubt, he'll know now with certainty that Shepard doing Arrival is considered canon by bioware themselfes

Modifié par Schachmatt, 18 juillet 2012 - 04:42 .

[Rifneno]

CoolioThane wrote...

Firebase Rio: Could this be proof of IT just existing?

[Simon_Says]

THIS POST IS NOT A THING YOU CAN COMPREHEND

Modifié par Simon_Says, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:36 .

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I have a few problems with this, but only a few.

It's stated that the Thessia Beacon was intentionally hidden by the Asari, we have no idea where it originally was buried.
It's a big-ass structure. Unless they had significant technological assistance, they couldn't have moved it. Excavated and bilt over it, sure. But moveing it intact? And it didn't appear to be something easily broken apart and put back together either.

But they did discover it by way of Prothean survivors who led them like Gods...
Were they actually meddleing in asari affairs or were they mostly keeping their distance when they weren't experimenting on the primitives? Remember, human scientists don't rule over the wild species they study. They observe, protect and occasionally experiment, but never assert dominance. The ethical ones, anyway.

Also, you are forgetting Victory, in the flashbacks, had a fairly positive outlook too; "They will be remembered in the coming empire." Things to that effect.
That's what he's saying. Vendetta is acting suspiciously compared to the other VIs we see.

Also, you notice each VI has a name, starting with V indicative of their purpose. Vigil was meant to keep watch, Victory was meant to secure their final victory through Prothean Survivors forming a new empire. What is Vendetta's purpose? Why would it be stored in a beacon in the first place?
Maybe the person the VI is based off of took the war a little personal? Like Shepard does?

HOW would it be stored in the beacon in a way that could be stolen?
It's software, remember?

My biggest question actually is why, after fifty asari lifetimes, no asari was able to activate the beacon, learn of the reapers, and prepare the Crucible beforehand. You'd think that if the protheans were grooming the asari to succeed them they'd leave instructions or something.

[Rifneno]

Simon_Says wrote...

My biggest question actually is why, after fifty asari lifetimes, no asari was able to activate the beacon, learn of the reapers, and prepare the Crucible beforehand. You'd think that if the protheans were grooming the asari to succeed them they'd leave instructions or something.

I kind of wondered if the asari did know about the Reapers from that thing.  Why did the asari councilor think that particular beacon would help Shepard with the crucible if they honestly hadn't gotten anything from it?  Sure, that introduces the logical hole of why the asari would deny the threat instead of preparing, but we already know for a fact that the Alliance knew and didn't do anything about it.

Of course that assumes that Vendetta is actually a Prothean VI.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Simon_Says wrote...
*snip*

My biggest question actually is why, after fifty asari lifetimes, no asari was able to activate the beacon, learn of the reapers, and prepare the Crucible beforehand. You'd think that if the protheans were grooming the asari to succeed them they'd leave instructions or something.

Best guess: it was programmed to react to either the Prothean species or anyone who managed to get a Cipher in this cycle or the next. Doubt the Asari had a Cipher(or a prothean) handy, otherwise they'd have Prothean-level tech by now and not just "superior" tech, instead relying on deciphering what little data they could to advance their technology.

"But why would it be programmed that way if it knew the Protheans would be extinct in this cycle?"

Possible answers:
It may have had prior knowledge of Victory's plan to put a handful of Prothean's into stasis. Not likely it knew about Ilos since that's said to have been secret even to the Citadel.
Or there were other plans to preserve the species that ultimately failed.
Or, all Prothean VI's created after the Reaper war were programmed with the Catalyst/Crucible data and given specific protocals withholding the information.

Speculation.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:42 .

[Simon_Says]

Well I just figured that the asari knew it was a prothean beacon, and didn't necessarily know its full contents. So if one repository of information, the Mars archive, had given valuable information, and that it was established that Shepard had a better chance than most of accessing information from such devices, why not point Shepard to it?

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

JasonSic wrote...

People have said that Object Rho cannot be used as evidence to IT, because some people have not played Arrival DLC. But, don't the events happen regardless? Whether you play it or not?

I've heard that Hackett sends someone else to do the work if you don't play Arrival. Is this true?

Yes but they wanted people to play it, and they knew that people may not buy it, so they could have done it reguardless of Object Rio.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Firebase Rio: Could this be proof of IT just existing?

It's not conclusive, but it is highly suggestive.

[Turbo_J]

Schachmatt wrote...

Why Arrival (and most likely all story DLCs are) is canon:

C. Hudson:
But as you're doing that the Reapers actually arrive and take the Earth.

We all may want to take a closer look at the wording used by Casey in regards to the timeline of Arrival and the attack on earth. They may have had something else planned, as I didn't take note of the date on that article, but if it was after the release of ME3, then Shepard may not have left that astroid yet.

Could this by why the explosions in the ending cinematic start in the Bahak system?

[Rifneno]

Turbo_J wrote...

We all may want to take a closer look at the wording used by Casey in regards to the timeline of Arrival and the attack on earth. They may have had something else planned, as I didn't take note of the date on that article, but if it was after the release of ME3, then Shepard may not have left that astroid yet.

Could this by why the explosions in the ending cinematic start in the Bahak system?

While having London taken back would be okay, the good folks at Oxford Dictionaries would have to be coming up with new words to describe my nerdrage if the whole of ME3 was taken back.

[BansheeOwnage]

Turbo_J wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Why Arrival (and most likely all story DLCs are) is canon:

C. Hudson:
But as you're doing that the Reapers actually arrive and take the Earth.

We all may want to take a closer look at the wording used by Casey in regards to the timeline of Arrival and the attack on earth. They may have had something else planned, as I didn't take note of the date on that article, but if it was after the release of ME3, then Shepard may not have left that astroid yet.

Could this by why the explosions in the ending cinematic start in the Bahak system?

Well even if it is it doesn't explain why they didn't change that simple little cutscene in EC.

Edit: I think that was just an error. I mean if they arrived while you were doing that it would mean the reapers pulled off one hell of a trick.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 juillet 2012 - 06:01 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

We all may want to take a closer look at the wording used by Casey in regards to the timeline of Arrival and the attack on earth. They may have had something else planned, as I didn't take note of the date on that article, but if it was after the release of ME3, then Shepard may not have left that astroid yet.

Could this by why the explosions in the ending cinematic start in the Bahak system?

While having London taken back would be okay, the good folks at Oxford Dictionaries would have to be coming up with new words to describe my nerdrage if the whole of ME3 was taken back.

+1 But I don't think that would happen anyway.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:58 .

[Turbo_J]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

We all may want to take a closer look at the wording used by Casey in regards to the timeline of Arrival and the attack on earth. They may have had something else planned, as I didn't take note of the date on that article, but if it was after the release of ME3, then Shepard may not have left that astroid yet.

Could this by why the explosions in the ending cinematic start in the Bahak system?

While having London taken back would be okay, the good folks at Oxford Dictionaries would have to be coming up with new words to describe my nerdrage if the whole of ME3 was taken back.

+1 But I don't think that would happen anyway.

Why? Because Shepard fighting indoctrination while sedated in a med lab on an astroid with a Reaper artifact in the next room and Harbinger tolling on him suddenly invalidates what we got? You'd think people would be happy that they get to fight the real thing once shepard is rescued! I'd be pretty damn happy if that's what turns out to be the case.

One more story...

[BansheeOwnage]

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

We all may want to take a closer look at the wording used by Casey in regards to the timeline of Arrival and the attack on earth. They may have had something else planned, as I didn't take note of the date on that article, but if it was after the release of ME3, then Shepard may not have left that astroid yet.

Could this by why the explosions in the ending cinematic start in the Bahak system?

While having London taken back would be okay, the good folks at Oxford Dictionaries would have to be coming up with new words to describe my nerdrage if the whole of ME3 was taken back.

+1 But I don't think that would happen anyway.

Why? Because Shepard fighting indoctrination while sedated in a med lab on an astroid with a Reaper artifact in the next room and Harbinger tolling on him suddenly invalidates what we got? You'd think people would be happy that they get to fight the real thing once shepard is rescued! I'd be pretty damn happy if that's what turns out to be the case.

One more story...

I meant more "I don't think they would do that" and less "I wouldn't like that." They would probably get even more backlash if they invalidated the whole of ME3. Would I pay for ME3: The actual game? Maybe. But I would still feel ripped off. An IT expansion is fine with me.

[Priss Blackburne]

Even though I don't play the multiplayer ( except try solo because of my crummy internet ). I kinda think it would be cool if they did the ending with IT. Waiting for the multiplayer story to finish, then release a big climax dlc for the Singleplayer campaign finishing retaking earth. That would have been cool, to contribute to taking back earth as a community together.

Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 18 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[Andromidius]

You know what DLC I'd like to see?

A new goddamn beginning. Seriously, the start of ME3 is awful. The gormless Admirals, Shepard's speech where he/she actually says nothing at all...

Where's the trial? Give me the damn trial! You could slot it in right at the start no problems, and maybe even use it as a jumping board for new players with explainations/questions as to what happened before, getting to know Vega a bit (rather then being told we know him), defending Shepard in front of the Admiralty, etc.

/sigh...

[Turbo_J]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

We all may want to take a closer look at the wording used by Casey in regards to the timeline of Arrival and the attack on earth. They may have had something else planned, as I didn't take note of the date on that article, but if it was after the release of ME3, then Shepard may not have left that astroid yet.

Could this by why the explosions in the ending cinematic start in the Bahak system?

While having London taken back would be okay, the good folks at Oxford Dictionaries would have to be coming up with new words to describe my nerdrage if the whole of ME3 was taken back.

+1 But I don't think that would happen anyway.

Why? Because Shepard fighting indoctrination while sedated in a med lab on an astroid with a Reaper artifact in the next room and Harbinger tolling on him suddenly invalidates what we got? You'd think people would be happy that they get to fight the real thing once shepard is rescued! I'd be pretty damn happy if that's what turns out to be the case.

One more story...

I meant more "I don't think they would do that" and less "I wouldn't like that." They would probably get even more backlash if they invalidated the whole of ME3. Would I pay for ME3: The actual game? Maybe. But I would still feel ripped off. An IT expansion is fine with me.

The thing is, it's not really invalidating anything. It's truly walking a mile in Shepard's shoes. The experience was still real enough for both Shepard and player, it's just time to wake up and really get to work on eliminating the Reapers for real and for good.

I don't care how they have it play out, I just want to get on with the real war... or the journey to discovering how this cycle can pull off a win against insurmountable odds.

[Turbo_J]

Andromidius wrote...

You know what DLC I'd like to see?

A new goddamn beginning. Seriously, the start of ME3 is awful. The gormless Admirals, Shepard's speech where he/she actually says nothing at all...

Where's the trial? Give me the damn trial! You could slot it in right at the start no problems, and maybe even use it as a jumping board for new players with explainations/questions as to what happened before, getting to know Vega a bit (rather then being told we know him), defending Shepard in front of the Admiralty, etc.

/sigh...

Agreed. This is one of the reasons I'd have no problems with ME3 taking place in Bahak, on an asteroid, in a med bay.

[Turbo_J]

It's funny people always talk about not getting a real ending... we didn't get a real beginning either if you think about it.

[RavenEyry]

Just read Raistlin's thing about the VI's and it seems Vendetta was either foreshadowing the forthcoming massive retcons, or has been fiddled with in some way to tell you what the reapers want you to think.

[prettz]

Turbo_J wrote...

It's funny people always talk about not getting a real ending... we didn't get a real beginning either if you think about it.

thats one of the video project I'm thinking of doing is revemping the opeining of Mass Effect 3

oh in case anyone missed it hears my new video
www.youtube.com/watch

turn out people are liking more then I thought they would, might be because I gone thru it 100 of times trying to get it right. I got sick of it:sick:
but I'm feeling overconfident now:D till I start editing the next one.

Modifié par prettz, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[RavenEyry]

prettz wrote...

oh in case anyone missed it hears my new video
www.youtube.com/watch

turn out people are liking more then I thought they would, might be because I gone thru it 100 of times trying to get it right.

Although I don't put any meaning to the hats, I do like the scene of everyone staring at Coates.

[Turbo_J]

RavenEyry wrote...

Just read Raistlin's thing about the VI's and it seems Vendetta was either foreshadowing the forthcoming massive retcons, or has been fiddled with in some way to tell you what the reapers want you to think.

I agree with it, but then again I posted something very similar to it about 500 pages ago... and again, not too long ago I mentioned oddeties Regarding it's communications. It behaved like an AI, not a VI. It knows too much, can instantly be understood by every squad mate despite them not having a cypher like Shepard - and Vendetta was not 'on' to 'monitor' communications like Vigil was on Ilos; which is how it learned to communicate.

The comments on the 'cycle' were also almost identical to Liara's diatribe in ME1 with the exception of the 'inferred' master of the cycle, as Vendetta put it.

Funny how the Protheans knew so much for being insta-splintered when the Reapers flooded through the citadel.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...
*snip*

My biggest question actually is why, after fifty asari lifetimes, no asari was able to activate the beacon, learn of the reapers, and prepare the Crucible beforehand. You'd think that if the protheans were grooming the asari to succeed them they'd leave instructions or something.

Best guess: it was programmed to react to either the Prothean species or anyone who managed to get a Cipher in this cycle or the next. Doubt the Asari had a Cipher(or a prothean) handy, otherwise they'd have Prothean-level tech by now and not just "superior" tech, instead relying on deciphering what little data they could to advance their technology.

"But why would it be programmed that way if it knew the Protheans would be extinct in this cycle?"

Possible answers:
It may have had prior knowledge of Victory's plan to put a handful of Prothean's into stasis. Not likely it knew about Ilos since that's said to have been secret even to the Citadel.
Or there were other plans to preserve the species that ultimately failed.
Or, all Prothean VI's created after the Reaper war were programmed with the Catalyst/Crucible data and given specific protocals withholding the information.

Speculation.

Vendetta or those who constructed it should have known of the Protheans going into Stasis on Eden Prime since Javik knew of the Crucibles Construction so there has to have been an active beacon in the Athena System and on Eden Prime (as we know) as i mentioned in my write up.

And yeah there were probably other places they tried to preserve their species but failed.

But regarding the Crucible/Catalyst data as I said in my write up if Vendetta or those who programmed him had knowledge on the Catalyst why dident they spread this around? Off course they might had, but all the info was destroyed, but it just raises so many questions as i covered.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .