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[CoolioThane]

Seifer006 wrote...

IT isn't real. Move on. Other Pro-IT moved on, and acknowledge that it's not real. I was a fan of IT (it's better then the ending were given) but it's not real folks.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13210272/2#13211065

If you reply and still don't accept the Truth at face value, then your in denial.

lol 

[Schachmatt123]

Seifer006 wrote...

IT isn't real. Move on. Other Pro-IT moved on, and acknowledge that it's not real. I was a fan of IT (it's better then the ending were given) but it's not real folks.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13210272/2#13211065

If you reply and still don't accept the Truth at face value, then your in denial.

Seriously, you lost the link? Of coooooourse, I believe you

Oh, and by the way, Merizan just confirmed that IT is NOT dead a few minutes ago, and that the hints to it are there and intentional. The only one who is in denial is you. And, I DO have a link Clic me!

Modifié par Schachmatt, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:09 .

[Eryri]

This stood out from Jessica and Chris' chat:

Jessica Merizan wrote - "Yes, the Extended Cut should not affect the overall IT as I understand it (however, there are multiple iterations of this popular theory and it's possible that some speculations have been proven untrue). I actually have a dedicated saved game in which I play keeping IT in mind and I have another game that I view as a strictly literal interpretation. 

The team went to great lengths to put meaning and layers of metaphor into the game. There's a lot of cool symbolism if you take the time to look for it. Definitely intentional and we want players to decide what those meanings are for themselves. These games are all about player agency so we feel that it would be wrong to provide a "canon" path or one "true" narrative. Ultimately, the work has to stand on its own and players decide what they think is happening."

(My emphasis) 

Well the underlined is reassuring. This is something I can pull out the next time I'm accused of paredolia (or whatever that word is for seeing patterns that aren't there).

The problem with this vague "players decide their own ending" stuff is that I think it's wasted on me. I'm a science geek, not an art geek, and I would tentatively venture to suggest that many other ME fans are too (apologies for the generalisation). As such I like to "know" things, in a concrete, definite sense not have them constantly up in the air. I'm a fairly simple, unsophisticated guy. All this high falutin' abstraction is getting frustrating for me and others on the boards. I'm not sure Bioware know their fanbase all that well.

I really hope they just decide on one canon ending and show it to us, otherwise any future ME games set after ME3 will be impossible.

On a lighter note, another ME3 ending parody I found on Youtube - 

EDIT: oops, sorry to repost the same bit of text - I'm a slow typer.

Modifié par Eryri, 18 juillet 2012 - 10:03 .

[paxxton]

smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you see that they were contradicting themselves. One answer says the breath scene could be the last breath, the other states that Shepard could survive on the Citadel.

I think only Casey and Mac know the answer. You know how Cerberus is
organized into cells with the Illusive man in charge, everyone working
on their project but no one sees the big picture . That might be what is
happening at Bioware with writers and staff. Casey and Mac assign
writers and staff to work on parts, but add in themes to tell an overarching story
that involves IT.

It could very well be that not only are the
fans kept in the dark but a lot of the staff, as far as we know Chris
and Jessica included are as much in the dark as we are.

Well, might be. Do your job and don't ask questions.  It's more of an issue for a HR department.

[MaximizedAction]

Simon_Says wrote...

From your reactions, it looks like Bioware remains ever elusive with providing hard answers.

I'm kind of disappointed that you seem to have entirely forgotten that list I made with the fundamental questions IT is supposed to answer. That one about how Shepard could avoid indoctrination for the whole series was the biggest I feel.

And again, I must remind you all that if Bioware ever decides to stop being coy, it'll almost definitely be in game content, not press releases or Q&As.

I expect the same.

[L0NEWOLF25]

Seifer006 wrote...

IT isn't real. Move on. Other Pro-IT moved on, and acknowledge that it's not real. I was a fan of IT (it's better then the ending were given) but it's not real folks.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13210272/2#13211065

If you reply and still don't accept the Truth at face value, then your in denial.

http://forum.worldof...N-DANIELA-HEINE

Go to the 8th post and tell me how IT is diproved

Jessica Merizan:

Hi Majed! Thanks for joining us.

Yes, the Extended Cut should not affect the overall IT as I understand it (however, there are multiple iterations of this popular theory and it's possible that some speculations have been proven untrue). I actually have a dedicated saved game in which I play keeping IT in mind and I have another game that I view as a strictly literal interpretation.

The team went to great lengths to put meaning and layers of metaphor into the game. There's a lot of cool symbolism if you take the time to look for it. Definitely intentional and we want players to decide what those meanings are for themselves. These games are all about player agency so we feel that it would be wrong to provide a "canon" path or one "true" narrative. Ultimately, the work has to stand on its own and players decide what they think is happening.

[masster blaster]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

From your reactions, it looks like Bioware remains ever elusive with providing hard answers.

I'm kind of disappointed that you seem to have entirely forgotten that list I made with the fundamental questions IT is supposed to answer. That one about how Shepard could avoid indoctrination for the whole series was the biggest I feel.

And again, I must remind you all that if Bioware ever decides to stop being coy, it'll almost definitely be in game content, not press releases or Q&As.

I expect the same.

Me too, though if they do, then party on the IT thread.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

We have to tell byne, paxxton, hellish, and everyone about the everything that happened in the chat with Chris, Jessica, and that other person.

I know what happened.

But I don't...

Me neither, give me the hot skitty!

Hot Skitty on Wailord Action?

[RavenEyry]

Priss Blackburne wrote...
I love your if you don't reply with agreeing with me then your wrong attitude tho

It's so hilarious when they do that. I wish I was the center of the universe like them. (Some people on our side do it too, my disdain for them is equal.

[masster blaster]

Schachmatt wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

IT isn't real. Move on. Other Pro-IT moved on, and acknowledge that it's not real. I was a fan of IT (it's better then the ending were given) but it's not real folks.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13210272/2#13211065

If you reply and still don't accept the Truth at face value, then your in denial.

Seriously, you lost the link? Of coooooourse, I believe you

Oh, and by the way, Merizan just confirmed that IT is NOT dead a few minutes ago, and that the hints to it are there and intentional. The only one who is in denial is you. And, I DO have a link Clic me!

I can't believe that SUbarts is defending IT.

[smokingotter1]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

We have to tell byne, paxxton, hellish, and everyone about the everything that happened in the chat with Chris, Jessica, and that other person.

I know what happened.

But I don't...

Me neither, give me the hot skitty!

Hot Skitty on Wailord Action?

Never link to tv tropes. That's evil. Some of us have important things to get done.... like commenting about the end of a video game on an internet forum.

[Simon_Says]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

According to the Catalyst...

• The Crucible is "little more than a power source."
• Therefore the Citadel must the source proper for space magic.
• Threfore the Citadel is capable of spreading synthesis if properly juiced up.
• The Catalyst must have been aware of this possibility, if it was attempted before.
• "We first noted the concept for this device several cycles ago."
• Reapers don't make a Crucible themselves.
• "We believed the concept had been eradicated."
• Therefore the reapers didn't want to harness the Crucible.
• Therefore the reapers don't want synthesis.
• "(Synthesis) is the ideal solution."

Seems legit.

You missed one.

"The design has no doubt evolved"

Which means when it was first discovered, Destroy was the only option, naturally. So it was eradicated, so they thought.

Synthesis or control wasn't an option. It was added by other cycles without the knowledge of the reapers. Also, let's not forget that some cycles could have skipped a few Crucible attempts. We can't assume that each civilization found out about the reapers and their plans before they arrived. The current cycle would have fallen just the same if it weren't for the one thing the reapers couldn't get around.

You missed my point. If the Crucible is just a giant battery, then the Citadel itself should be the source of Space Magic. It's the Citadel that does Destroy, Control, and Synthesis, not the Crucible. The Crucible just makes the Space Magic possible, it doesn't do Space Magic itself.

According to the Catalyst anyway.

Also, how much did the Crucible's design change between the prothean cycle and the council cycle? Because that's the only gap where synthesis and control could have been included as optio*- oh wait. There were indoctrinated protheans who thought they could control the reapers. If they were anything like TIM they would think the Crucible was they key to that as well.

*The finished sentence here is "Because that's the only gap where synthesis and control could have been included as options for Space Magic without the reapers knowing about them knowing."

Modifié par Simon_Says, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:18 .

[smokingotter1]

masster blaster wrote...

Schachmatt wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

IT isn't real. Move on. Other Pro-IT moved on, and acknowledge that it's not real. I was a fan of IT (it's better then the ending were given) but it's not real folks.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13210272/2#13211065

If you reply and still don't accept the Truth at face value, then your in denial.

Seriously, you lost the link? Of coooooourse, I believe you

Oh, and by the way, Merizan just confirmed that IT is NOT dead a few minutes ago, and that the hints to it are there and intentional. The only one who is in denial is you. And, I DO have a link Clic me!

I can't believe that SUbarts is defending IT.

Must be drunk.

[Eryri]

Apologies if this has been discussed before, but did the forum come to any conclusion about what the catalyst meant when it said Synthesis had been tried before, but unsuccessfully?

Was he referring to the Protheans being changed into the Collectors? To me it seemed a bit like place-holder dialogue that might be altered by variables from DLC. Similar to the "You would not know them, and there is no time to explain" line concerning the original Leviathans.

I wonder if we'll get to see the results of these failed synthesis experiments and get to challenge the Catalyst on them?

Modifié par Eryri, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:26 .

[CoolioThane]

Or finally we've gotten through to him. Or maybe he is just controversial!

[byne]

Eryri wrote...

Apologies if this has been discussed before, but did the forum come to any conclusion about what the catalyst meant when it said Synthesis had been tried before, but unsuccessfully?

Was he referring to the Protheans being changed into the Collectors? To me it seemed a bit like place-holder dialogue that might be altered by variables from DLC. Similar to the "You would not know them, and there is no time to explain" line concerning the original Leviathans.

I wonder if we'll get to see the results of these failed synthesis experiments and get to challenge the Catalyst on them?

This is only somewhat related, but for the literalists who trust the godchild, why do they pick synthesis at all?

The godchild himself tells you that synthesis cannot be forced, and that synthesis is inevitable.

If it cant be forced, picking synthesis should cause the attempt at synthesis to fail.

If it is inevitable, why pick synthesis at all? Pick control or destroy, and let synthesis come on its own.

[TJBartlemus]

Am I in time for a troll or did I miss him??

BioWare. A company that loves to be cryptic seems to be answering a lot of questions....hmmmm....at least they cleared up the fact that the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally. So what does that mean for the IT? For me it just further proves my WNT: EC.

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Am I in time for a troll or did I miss him??

BioWare. A company that loves to be cryptic seems to be answering a lot of questions....hmmmm....at least they cleared up the fact that the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally. So what does that mean for the IT? For me it just further proves my WNT: EC.

http://forum.worldof...N-DANIELA-HEINE

look at this, and tell me IT is still alive, and that they giving hints that IT is in the game.

[paxxton]

They didn't answer the question about the black tendrils!

[masster blaster]

Okay guys I will be back after playing some MP, but if anything happens while am I'm gone please tell me when I get back from slaying some Reapers with my Shadow N7.

[TJBartlemus]

 This saddens me.... 

 Originally Posted by Antauronius[/b] If Shepard was on the Citadel and it exploded in Destroy, how could he survive in the breath scene?

Chris: You assume Shepard survived. That could have just been a final breath before he/she died.

Why would Chris Preistly say that? :'( jk. But if that was real that would be a giant FU from BioWare, which I refuse to believe.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:37 .

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 This saddens me.... 

 Originally Posted by Antauronius[/b] If Shepard was on the Citadel and it exploded in Destroy, how could he survive in the breath scene?

You assume Shepard survived. That could have just been a final breath before he/she died.

Why would Chris Preistly say that? :'( jk. But if that was real that would be a giant FU from BioWare, which I refuse to believe.

"Could have been" doesn't mean that it was. So maybe it's his opinion.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .

[Bill Casey]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Why would Chris Preistly say that?

Because he is evil?

[Chriz Tah Fah]

I found it really odd that in the EC synthesis epilogue nobody seemed really freaked out that they were glowing green. They kind of just looked at themselves and thought "well I always wanted to glow green!" Besides not being completely freaked out they didn't even seem surprised, it's as if none of the people synthesized wondered why or how it happened. On top of that there must have been some people who didn't want to be synthesized or else synthesis should have rightfully happened already. It only showed the good effects/outcomes but not the people against it.

Me and Andromedius were talking on origin once and we both concluded that life would become stagnant in Control and Synthesis (mostly synthesis). In Control you rightfully have a dictatorship where only one mind decides what will be done/what should be done.

In Synthesis, if everyone is at the pinnacle of evolution then there is nothing to strive for. Life was interesting before synthesis because the synthetics strived to better understand organics. Organics tried to better themselves by yadda yadda yadda you get the point.

[TJBartlemus]

masster blaster wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Am I in time for a troll or did I miss him??

BioWare. A company that loves to be cryptic seems to be answering a lot of questions....hmmmm....at least they cleared up the fact that the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally. So what does that mean for the IT? For me it just further proves my WNT: EC.

http://forum.worldof...N-DANIELA-HEINE

look at this, and tell me IT is still alive, and that they giving hints that IT is in the game.

I actually am reading that now...that's why I commented that BioWare said that the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally. Which makes sense. In all reality it wouldn't change anything, just that after Shepard wakes he still needs to use the Crucible. My idea is that in the respect that the ENTIRE thing was a dream is illogical from a technical perspective. It just means that BioWare would have to create the entire thing with the Crucible again, which I believe they wouldn't do. It's just a waste of money in EA's eyes. That's why I believe that it's a partial halucination. The Reapers are affecting Shepard's perceptions but he still activates the Crucible. (WNT: EC)