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[Eryri]

byne wrote...

This is only somewhat related, but for the literalists who trust the godchild, why do they pick synthesis at all?

The godchild himself tells you that synthesis cannot be forced, and that synthesis is inevitable.

If it cant be forced, picking synthesis should cause the attempt at synthesis to fail.

If it is inevitable, why pick synthesis at all? Pick control or destroy, and let synthesis come on its own.

Exactly. Synthesis is one of the reasons I want IT to be true, or at least adopted by Bioware if it wasn't originally planned.
Synthesis is just the daftest, most unbelievable thing I've ever seen in science fiction - dafter than the occasion when the Doctor jump-started a second Big Bang with the Tardis! 

If that nonsense doesn't turn out to have been some sort of utopian dream... yikes!

[Bill Casey]

TJBartlemus wrote...

My idea is that in the respect that the ENTIRE thing was a dream is illogical from a technical perspective. It just means that BioWare would have to create the entire thing with the Crucible again, which I believe they wouldn't do.

No they don't have to create it again...
It's implied...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:44 .

[smokingotter1]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 This saddens me.... 

 Originally Posted by Antauronius[/b] If Shepard was on the Citadel and it exploded in Destroy, how could he survive in the breath scene?

Chris: You assume Shepard survived. That could have just been a final breath before he/she died.

Why would Chris Preistly say that? :'( jk. But if that was real that would be a giant FU from BioWare, which I refuse to believe.

I don't think Chris knows what is planned to be honest. Only Casey and Mac know, Chris is just speculating like the rest of us.

[Simon_Says]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I have a few problems with this, but only a few.

It's stated that the Thessia Beacon was intentionally hidden by the Asari, we have no idea where it originally was buried.
It's a big-ass structure. Unless they had significant technological assistance, they couldn't have moved it. Excavated and bilt over it, sure. But moveing it intact? And it didn't appear to be something easily broken apart and put back together either.

But they did discover it by way of Prothean survivors who led them like Gods...
Were they actually meddleing in asari affairs or were they mostly keeping their distance when they weren't experimenting on the primitives? Remember, human scientists don't rule over the wild species they study. They observe, protect and occasionally experiment, but never assert dominance. The ethical ones, anyway.

Also, you are forgetting Victory, in the flashbacks, had a fairly positive outlook too; "They will be remembered in the coming empire." Things to that effect.
That's what he's saying. Vendetta is acting suspiciously compared to the other VIs we see.

Also, you notice each VI has a name, starting with V indicative of their purpose. Vigil was meant to keep watch, Victory was meant to secure their final victory through Prothean Survivors forming a new empire. What is Vendetta's purpose? Why would it be stored in a beacon in the first place?
Maybe the person the VI is based off of took the war a little personal? Like Shepard does?

HOW would it be stored in the beacon in a way that could be stolen?
It's software, remember?

My biggest question actually is why, after fifty asari lifetimes, no asari was able to activate the beacon, learn of the reapers, and prepare the Crucible beforehand. You'd think that if the protheans were grooming the asari to succeed them they'd leave instructions or something.

Simon, we managed to move pyramid blocks with wooden rollers. Imagine what we could have moved with natural biotics enhanced by a Prothean "god"?
Hence my comment about breaking apart and putting back together. Would you trust neolithic Asari to properly reassemble your xbox? Not to mention that this beacon was a holy site for ancient asari. Moving the beacon would be like moving the Foundation Stone. A big no-no.

That was how it started out, but if you look around the meuseum, you'll notice alot of things indicating that these were Protheans who had survived the cataclysm by hiding on the Asari world, and then the three Prothean scientists lived among the Asari and lead them as mythical pre-historical figures, giving them the secrets to agriculture and such. Or at least that was the implication I got.
Which just makes it weirder that the secrets of the beacon remained locked for so long. Then again, if Javik is a model prothean then the protheans were short-sighted, pompous dicks.

Hey, come to think of it, the Asari and Quarians were considered somewhat attractive by Prothean standards, perhaps there's some Prothean blood living on in the Asari. Sort of.
One wonders why they thought barefaced monkeys were attractive when they were essentially big bugs. Then again, I guess humans and asari shouldn't be the only species willing to... dance with other species. Oh God, I just realized. The protheans were conquerors... Implications unpleasant...

But the implication I WAS giving was, perhaps these survivors were the abandoned, indoctrinated slaves the Reapers leave behind when the cycle is done, and this bunch was getting orders to artifically ensure the dominance of a race incapable of defeating the Reapers, rather than letting, say Humans dominate the politics of the galaxy.
Crap. *Chomps cigar.*

I know, this is me providing more anecdotal evidence.

I'm not sure, as I said, Vendetta isn't paticularly descriptive of his purpose. Perhaps Venture, Vouchsafe, or Vision, Vendetta is accepting they have already lost and require "Vengance", Vendetta is a bitter and destructive feud defined by acts of revenge, not a means of securing final victory or freedom, not a method of winning, but a method of prolonging ill will.
There you go. The Crucible project was a last attempt at revenge for the shattering of the Empire.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:52 .

[paxxton]

Bill Casey wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

My idea is that in the respect that the ENTIRE thing was a dream is illogical from a technical perspective. It just means that BioWare would have to create the entire thing with the Crucible again, which I believe they wouldn't do.

No they don't have to create it again...
It's implied...

What's wrong with making it a dream. That BioWare would have to remake ME3. They develop video games for living.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[TJBartlemus]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Me and Andromedius were talking on origin once and we both concluded that life would become stagnant in Control and Synthesis (mostly synthesis). In Control you rightfully have a dictatorship where only one mind decides what will be done/what should be done.

In Synthesis, if everyone is at the pinnacle of evolution then there is nothing to strive for.

Actually I was going to bring this up but these comments are pretty much what I wanted to write. Recently I was playing ME2 again and I had a conversation with Mordin about the Collectors being Protheans and it immediately made me think of Control/Synthesis. He speaks about the Collectors and that they have no culture. I'll just let the video speak for its self...



How dare he nod in my flashbacks when I pick synthesis. How dare he. <_<

[UltimateTobi]

"Quote Originally Posted by Antauronius View Post
Why the Catalyst's voice has Shepard's in the background?

What does Harbinger say just before hitting Shepard with the laser beam? "Save us" or "Serve us"? Something else?

Why Harbinger in ME3 didn't say a word with his ME2's voice?"


"The Catalyst's voice is partially formed from Shepard's memories, so his/her voice is part of the speech.

Harbringer doesn't actually say anything at that point. I know, I thought it did as well, but I asked teh Audio team and they told me it is just sound effects, not actually speech"

Modifié par UltimateTobi, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[paxxton]

LOL. Seems Antauronius is popular today.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[Simon_Says]

UltimateTobi wrote...


"Quote Originally Posted by Antauronius View Post
Why the Catalyst's voice has Shepard's in the background?

What does Harbinger say just before hitting Shepard with the laser beam? "Save us" or "Serve us"? Something else?

Why Harbinger in ME3 didn't say a word with his ME2's voice?"


"The Catalyst's voice is partially formed from Shepard's memories, so his/her voice is part of the speech.

Harbringer doesn't actually say anything at that point. I know, I thought it did as well, but I asked teh Audio team and they told me it is just sound effects, not actually speech"

And yet, why does Harbinger 'say' anything at all?

Look at the scene again. There's notice, realization, deliberate aim and some form of communication. If it was saying anything or no, not important. The whole scene screams of Harbinger communicating "I have you now!"

Modifié par Simon_Says, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:57 .

[TJBartlemus]

Hmmmm......

Da**it!! Got Ninja'd. 

Well those answer a lot...it also proves that the Catalyst is using Shepard's memories. Interesting....

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:56 .

[TJBartlemus]

The post below the one I quoted says that Chris always has a chat open to Jessica and that he is currently playing through new SP DLC. Interesting....could mean that SP DLC is closer than we think...

edit - also there is a Shepard statue in the works to being made. Hope it's not too expensive.... 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 18 juillet 2012 - 08:01 .

[TSA_383]

Big post coming, I've just found more leaks in the new DLC, scripts etc will be inbound shortly. Buckle your sphincters.

[UltimateTobi]

Simon_Says wrote...

And yet, why does Harbinger 'say' anything at all?

Look at the scene again. There's notice, realization, deliberate aim and some form of communication. If it was saying anything or no, not important. The whole scene screams of Harbinger communicating "I have you now!"

There is some sort of communication.
Like when your dog barks at you, for example. He tells you something, and maybe you guess what he wants to tell you. (Lame example, but I think you know what I mean.)
So, we might make out "Serve us!". No speech at all, so we might be wrong with this. But there is, as you said, communication.

[UltimateTobi]

TJBartlemus wrote...

The post below the one I quoted says that Chris always has a chat open to Jessica and that he is currently playing through new SP DLC. Interesting....could mean that SP DLC is closer than we think...

And he's talking with her about "things".

"Heheheee..." [/Wrex]

[TJBartlemus]

TSA_383 wrote...

Big post coming, I've just found more leaks in the new DLC, scripts etc will be inbound shortly. Buckle your sphincters.

Oh sh**!! Is it from the EC? Or the Earth DLC? 

[MaximizedAction]

Simon_Says wrote...

UltimateTobi wrote...


"Quote Originally Posted by Antauronius View Post
Why the Catalyst's voice has Shepard's in the background?

What does Harbinger say just before hitting Shepard with the laser beam? "Save us" or "Serve us"? Something else?

Why Harbinger in ME3 didn't say a word with his ME2's voice?"


"The Catalyst's voice is partially formed from Shepard's memories, so his/her voice is part of the speech.

Harbringer doesn't actually say anything at that point. I know, I thought it did as well, but I asked teh Audio team and they told me it is just sound effects, not actually speech"

And yet, why does Harbinger 'say' anything at all?

Look at the scene again. There's notice, realization, deliberate aim and some form of communication. If it was saying anything or no, not important. The whole scene screams of Harbinger communicating "I have you now!"

He didn't write "say anything at all", he wrote "say anything at that point".

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 juillet 2012 - 08:03 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Not to mention that in Control, everything is pretty much the same except the reapers are dictator police. People still have differences and will therefore eventually fight with each other. What's reaper Shepard going to do? Kill the people that fight?

Lets say that reaper Shep intervenes by landing right in the middle of the quarrel and says STOP (or I will destroy you? Would he say that? It isn't really Shepard anymore...). This would solve nothing. The two sides fighting would stop out of FEAR. It does not mean that their differences were sorted out, therefore there will still be problems between those two groups.

Synthesis. Same thing. Synthetics fully understand organics, GREAT. But, they may not like what they find. It is similar to religion. You may understand why people follow one, or understand what it is about, but it doesn't mean that you like it. Just because everyone glows does not mean that they don't have difference. Whether these differences are physical, mental, or cultural, they are still there and therefore there will be fights over them.

Synthesis wont stop people from being selfish. People will likely still take advantage of others in order to promote themselves, if this doesn't create fighting then what will?

Synthesis and Control change practically NONE of the outstanding problems that we had before. With this being the case the starbrat lied on some accounts at least.

[Simon_Says]

By the way, was thinking about the waking nightmare theory. I think earlier I expressed some confusion over how the beam shuffle and the crucible shuffle could take place in the same environment. If Shepard travelled it once how could they do it again Then it hit me.

It we take my earlier suggestion that the beam is an indoctrination beacon and not a mass relay, then Shepard woke up, made it to the beam, was lifted like they were with the original beacon in ME1 and then thrown back. Hence the rough landing on the 'Citadel'. Then the Control Panel scene would then take place entirely in a dream. And then the Starbrat: "Wake up." Which signals the start of the waking hallucination.

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

Big post coming, I've just found more leaks in the new DLC, scripts etc will be inbound shortly. Buckle your sphincters.

OhmygodOhmygodOhmygod!

[UltimateTobi]

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Big post coming, I've just found more leaks in the new DLC, scripts etc will be inbound shortly. Buckle your sphincters.

OhmygodOhmygodOhmygod!

Excited!

[Simon_Says]

I skipped reading the content of the earlier leaks because I didn't want to spoil the DLC for myself. I'll probably do the same now.

After the wall of text would you care to provide a Cliff Notes version?

[UltimateTobi]

I really don't want to spoil me either. But I actually want to know if it's positive or negative towards IT... oh... 2 sides. Must decide.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Simon_Says wrote...

I skipped reading the content of the earlier leaks because I didn't want to spoil the DLC for myself. I'll probably do the same now.

After the wall of text would you care to provide a Cliff Notes version?

Same, I would just like to know if it partains to the IT and when in the storyline it is.

[byne]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Not to mention that in Control, everything is pretty much the same except the reapers are dictator police. People still have differences and will therefore eventually fight with each other. What's reaper Shepard going to do? Kill the people that fight?

Lets say that reaper Shep intervenes by landing right in the middle of the quarrel and says STOP (or I will destroy you? Would he say that? It isn't really Shepard anymore...). This would solve nothing. The two sides fighting would stop out of FEAR. It does not mean that their differences were sorted out, therefore there will still be problems between those two groups.

Remember that time back in late 2001 when America took all of its super advanced weapons into Afghanistan, and threatened to kill anyone who fought us? And remember how they said 'Well, America has superior technology. I guess we'd better stop'? And thats why Afghanistan has been the paragon of peace for the last 10 years?

What that? You dont remember any of that, because people dont work like that? Did Reaper-Shep lie to me?!

[MaximizedAction]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

I skipped reading the content of the earlier leaks because I didn't want to spoil the DLC for myself. I'll probably do the same now.

After the wall of text would you care to provide a Cliff Notes version?

Same, I would just like to know if it partains to the IT and when in the storyline it is.

Also same here. Tried to skip those dialog lines regarding the Leviathan DLC in the EC. Knowing it is something like a Leviathan was actually enough.