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HagarIshay wrote...
paxxton wrote...
The place is constructed from different Shepard's memories.
Yeah but having it constructed from varius memories isn't a bit too complex for a hallucination? Wouldn't be easier just to think about a place Shepard is already familiar with?
paxxton wrote...
Think how hallucinations work. They are usually bizarre, a hodgepodge of different things.
Would it really be easier? Remember Inception? There were dreams that were designed to manipulate the subject, and when real environments were used as a basis it's possible for the subject to notice mistakes and so reject the dream.HagarIshay wrote...
paxxton wrote...
The place is constructed from different Shepard's memories.
Yeah but having it constructed from varius memories isn't a bit too complex for a hallucination? Wouldn't be easier just to think about a place Shepard is already familiar with?
You're welcome.HagarIshay wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Think how hallucinations work. They are usually bizarre, a hodgepodge of different things.
Fair enough.
Thanks for the answers.
HagarIshay wrote...
paxxton wrote...
The place is constructed from different Shepard's memories.
Yeah but having it constructed from varius memories isn't a bit too complex for a hallucination? Wouldn't be easier just to think about a place Shepard is already familiar with?
Modifié par Priss Blackburne, 18 juillet 2012 - 09:43 .
Simon_Says wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
Simon, we managed to move pyramid blocks with wooden rollers. Imagine what we could have moved with natural biotics enhanced by a Prothean "god"?Simon_Says wrote...
Arian Dynas wrote...
I have a few problems with this, but only a few.
It's stated that the Thessia Beacon was intentionally hidden by the Asari, we have no idea where it originally was buried.
It's a big-ass structure. Unless they had significant technological assistance, they couldn't have moved it. Excavated and bilt over it, sure. But moveing it intact? And it didn't appear to be something easily broken apart and put back together either.
But they did discover it by way of Prothean survivors who led them like Gods...
Were they actually meddleing in asari affairs or were they mostly keeping their distance when they weren't experimenting on the primitives? Remember, human scientists don't rule over the wild species they study. They observe, protect and occasionally experiment, but never assert dominance. The ethical ones, anyway.
Also, you are forgetting Victory, in the flashbacks, had a fairly positive outlook too; "They will be remembered in the coming empire." Things to that effect.
That's what he's saying. Vendetta is acting suspiciously compared to the other VIs we see.
Also, you notice each VI has a name, starting with V indicative of their purpose. Vigil was meant to keep watch, Victory was meant to secure their final victory through Prothean Survivors forming a new empire. What is Vendetta's purpose? Why would it be stored in a beacon in the first place?
Maybe the person the VI is based off of took the war a little personal? Like Shepard does?
HOW would it be stored in the beacon in a way that could be stolen?
It's software, remember?
My biggest question actually is why, after fifty asari lifetimes, no asari was able to activate the beacon, learn of the reapers, and prepare the Crucible beforehand. You'd think that if the protheans were grooming the asari to succeed them they'd leave instructions or something.
Hence my comment about breaking apart and putting back together. Would you trust neolithic Asari to properly reassemble your xbox? Not to mention that this beacon was a holy site for ancient asari. Moving the beacon would be like moving the Foundation Stone. A big no-no.
That was how it started out, but if you look around the meuseum, you'll notice alot of things indicating that these were Protheans who had survived the cataclysm by hiding on the Asari world, and then the three Prothean scientists lived among the Asari and lead them as mythical pre-historical figures, giving them the secrets to agriculture and such. Or at least that was the implication I got.
Which just makes it weirder that the secrets of the beacon remained locked for so long. Then again, if Javik is a model prothean then the protheans were short-sighted, pompous dicks.
Hey, come to think of it, the Asari and Quarians were considered somewhat attractive by Prothean standards, perhaps there's some Prothean blood living on in the Asari. Sort of.
One wonders why they thought barefaced monkeys were attractive when they were essentially big bugs. Then again, I guess humans and asari shouldn't be the only species willing to... dance with other species. Oh God, I just realized. The protheans were conquerors... Implications unpleasant...
But the implication I WAS giving was, perhaps these survivors were the abandoned, indoctrinated slaves the Reapers leave behind when the cycle is done, and this bunch was getting orders to artifically ensure the dominance of a race incapable of defeating the Reapers, rather than letting, say Humans dominate the politics of the galaxy.
Crap. *Chomps cigar.*
I know, this is me providing more anecdotal evidence.
I'm not sure, as I said, Vendetta isn't paticularly descriptive of his purpose. Perhaps Venture, Vouchsafe, or Vision, Vendetta is accepting they have already lost and require "Vengance", Vendetta is a bitter and destructive feud defined by acts of revenge, not a means of securing final victory or freedom, not a method of winning, but a method of prolonging ill will.
There you go. The Crucible project was a last attempt at revenge for the shattering of the Empire.
UltimateTobi wrote...
There is some sort of communication.Simon_Says wrote...
And yet, why does Harbinger 'say' anything at all?
Look at the scene again. There's notice, realization, deliberate aim and some form of communication. If it was saying anything or no, not important. The whole scene screams of Harbinger communicating "I have you now!"
Like when your dog barks at you, for example. He tells you something, and maybe you guess what he wants to tell you. (Lame example, but I think you know what I mean.)
So, we might make out "Serve us!". No speech at all, so we might be wrong with this. But there is, as you said, communication.
Sure, we do.Rifneno wrote...
We really need a "There is weakness in falling for your enemy's propaganda" banner in response to all the "der be wisdom in becoming a Reaper!" nonsense ones.
Modifié par paxxton, 18 juillet 2012 - 10:03 .
Simon_Says wrote...
Oh by the way.
Modifié par Humakt83, 18 juillet 2012 - 10:07 .
HagarIshay wrote...
Got a question.
If Shepard is hallucinating, why wouldn't s/he hallucinate about a more familiar place on the Citadel? Why wouldn't s/he hallucinate about the Citadel tower, or about the docking bay, or purgatory, or... whatever. Not just a place s/he never seen before.
Was probably been asked before, but I'm just wondering.
Simon_Says wrote...
It just occurred to me that It resembles the first half of Comfortably Numb. We're just waiting for the second half of the song to get going.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 juillet 2012 - 10:10 .
Chriz Tah Fah wrote...
I found it really odd that in the EC synthesis epilogue nobody seemed really freaked out that they were glowing green. They kind of just looked at themselves and thought "well I always wanted to glow green!" Besides not being completely freaked out they didn't even seem surprised, it's as if none of the people synthesized wondered why or how it happened. On top of that there must have been some people who didn't want to be synthesized or else synthesis should have rightfully happened already. It only showed the good effects/outcomes but not the people against it.
Me and Andromedius were talking on origin once and we both concluded that life would become stagnant in Control and Synthesis (mostly synthesis). In Control you rightfully have a dictatorship where only one mind decides what will be done/what should be done.
In Synthesis, if everyone is at the pinnacle of evolution then there is nothing to strive for. Life was interesting before synthesis because the synthetics strived to better understand organics. Organics tried to better themselves by yadda yadda yadda you get the point.
paxxton wrote...
Has anyone tried the Platinum difficulty?
Simon_Says wrote...
There are elements reminiscent of Shepard's previous experiences with the Citadel. How the ward arms look, the Shadow Broker-like panels, 1m1 signs, dreadnought guns.
No it's not a place from memory, but it's a place assembled with pieces from memory. That's how we see it anyway. Could be just asset reuse.
paxxton wrote...
Has anyone tried the Platinum difficulty?
That's very good! Is it really difficult?byne wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Has anyone tried the Platinum difficulty?
I got to wave 8 on Platinum
Andromidius wrote...
Turbo_J wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
Just read Raistlin's thing about the VI's and it seems Vendetta was either foreshadowing the forthcoming massive retcons, or has been fiddled with in some way to tell you what the reapers want you to think.
I agree with it, but then again I posted something very similar to it about 500 pages ago... and again, not too long ago I mentioned oddeties Regarding it's communications. It behaved like an AI, not a VI. It knows too much, can instantly be understood by every squad mate despite them not having a cypher like Shepard - and Vendetta was not 'on' to 'monitor' communications like Vigil was on Ilos; which is how it learned to communicate.
The comments on the 'cycle' were also almost identical to Liara's diatribe in ME1 with the exception of the 'inferred' master of the cycle, as Vendetta put it.
Funny how the Protheans knew so much for being insta-splintered when the Reapers flooded through the citadel.
Actually, that's a bloody good point. In ME1 they beat you over the head that Shepard could make out a garbled message from a computer on Ilos while the squadmates couldn't, and that Prothean VI's can quickly translate other languages but only if they are monitoring communications.
Vendetta could be understood instantly, and had been turned off.
And Kai Leng (spit) was there almost on cue just before it spilled the beans about what was going on. As if he was waiting.
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