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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Simon_Says wrote...

It just occurred to me that It resembles the first half of Comfortably Numb. We're just waiting for the second half of the song to get going.


Lemme add that Manveer Heir twitter.com/manveerheir is probably a Pink Floyd fan, he posted recently that he was going to a Wall concert. So...

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Priss Blackburne wrote...

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Got a question.

If Shepard is hallucinating, why wouldn't s/he hallucinate about a more familiar place on the Citadel? Why wouldn't s/he hallucinate about the Citadel tower, or about the docking bay, or purgatory, or... whatever. Not just a place s/he never seen before.

Was probably been asked before, but I'm just wondering.


My guess is the reapers don't have full acess to Shepards mind so can only pull pieces from it. Think that's what it was like for Grayson but haven't read the book for a while. It would be easier to pull a image from Shepards mind as his/her subconcious would fill in the gaps that a forced image would produce.

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The unfamiliarity of the walk from the conduit drop off area to TIM/Anderson calls on the player to look closer into the symbolism of the scene. Also if it was someplace familiar it would be way to obvious (not that it wasn't to me already :wizard:) to Shepard and the player that the scene is not real. If Shepard popped up into ... let's say back on the Normandy we would know something is wrong automatically and would question why Shepard is dumb enough not to recognize what is going on.

Because the area is unfamiliar it causes us to doubt ourselves and whether or not what we see is real or not. Remember we (Shepard included) haven't yet seen how the crucible machinary works, so what Shepard imagines will be an unfamiliar presentation made up of familiar elements, does that make sense?

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Has anyone tried the Platinum difficulty?


I got to wave 8 on Platinum

That's very good! Is it really difficult?

@MaximizedAction: That's not very good.


Well, it was like wave 10 Cerberus, Reaper, and Geth combined, so pretty hard.

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smokingotter1 wrote...

I think the worst part of synthesis is the concept that there is such a think as "pinnacle of evolution." Evolution is adaptation to change... there is no final evolution ever-ever-ever


It can be argued that when species no longer need to adapt to their surroundings they've achieved the pinnacle of evolution.

Reapers, according to them, have reached pinnacle of evolution. Whether that pinnacle is absolute or relative is another matter.

Sovereign: "We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything."

Modifié par Humakt83, 18 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .


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Humakt83 wrote...

I really think that indoctrination is one of the overarching main background plots of the whole trilogy.

Mass Effect 1:
We discover that what we thought to be our enemies, were in fact indoctrinated individuals, pawns of our real enemy. Saren had a research facility which's main purpose was to study indoctrination, but in fact the researchers were being indoctrinated as well. Suitable place to create sleeper agents.

Mass Effect 2:
We find what happened to traitors of previous cycle, what would indeed happen if we had joined Saren. We discovered what happened to Prothean traitors. We learn more of the effects of indoctrination in derelict Reaper. We learn the fate of captured colonists. Then there is Arrival.

Mass Effect 3:
We witness how Shepard, and some members of the crew too, is slowly being indoctrinated. Three dreams are the clearest sign of this and the ending is nothing sort of skillful manipulation. We also finally discover that Illusive Man and, through him, Cerberus was also under indoctrination.

Also, I want to ask you people this: Do you really think Geth are trustworthy?


Well said, but why wouldn't you think the Geth, specifically, aren't trustworthy?

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Ah but Otter, look at how much conflict that have amongst themselves. Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone just... got along?

Never mind the cost for that peace. Just think of how wonderful it can be.

Also the only sorta-rational idea for what "pinnacle of evolution" is would be something that is perfectly adaptable for any situation. Uh-huh. Yeah. As if that's possible.


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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Has anyone tried the Platinum difficulty?


I got to wave 8 on Platinum

That's very good! Is it really difficult?

@MaximizedAction: That's not very good.


Well, it was like wave 10 Cerberus, Reaper, and Geth combined, so pretty hard.

If Platinum combines enemies then I have nothing to seek there. I hate Cerberus, they are the hardest. Though I like Reaper troops because they are quite easy. 

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byne wrote...

I think my demolisher is spoiling me. I had to move away from my supply pylon to get to the hack objective, and forgot to put my pylon down again, and after a few seconds, I ran out of ammo, and was utterly confused as to why my harrier wouldnt fire anymore.


I can't even play MP now. I'm too enraged over getting my SIXTH eagle today right after they gave us an impossible operation. To say I'm getting sick of the RNG and BW's pathetic excuse for balancing is like saying Starbinger isn't exactly the most trustworthy person.

smokingotter1 wrote...

I do see being a mixture of organic and synthetic solves any conflict, the reapers are the epitome of synthesis and look how much conflict they caused.


Yeah but that conflict doesn't count. They're like fire. </sarcasm>

Humakt83 wrote...

It can be argued that when species no longer need to adapt to their surroundings they've achieved the pinnacle of evolution.

Reapers, according to them, have reached pinnacle of evolution. Whether that pinnacle is absolute or relative is another matter.

Sovereign: "We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything."


But by that definition the vorcha are a pinnacle of evolution. And they're seriously not.

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I like the geth too! :D

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paxxton wrote...

If Platinum combines enemies then I have nothing to seek there. I hate Cerberus, they phantoms are the hardest. Though I like Reaper troops because they are quite easy.


Fixed.

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Humakt83 wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

I think the worst part of synthesis is the concept that there is such a think as "pinnacle of evolution." Evolution is adaptation to change... there is no final evolution ever-ever-ever


It can be argued that when species no longer need to adapt to their surroundings they've achieved the pinnacle of evolution.

Reapers, according to them, have reached pinnacle of evolution. Whether that pinnacle is absolute or relative is another matter.

Sovereign: "We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything."


Haha, I keep thinking how funny it is when Sovereign says "we are eternal" and the next day he dies. lol:lol:

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

If Platinum combines enemies then I have nothing to seek there. I hate Cerberus, they phantoms are the hardest. Though I like Reaper troops because they are quite easy.


Fixed.

Fix approved. + Cerberus snipers

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Has anyone tried the Platinum difficulty?


I got to wave 8 on Platinum

That's very good! Is it really difficult?

@MaximizedAction: That's not very good.


Well, it was like wave 10 Cerberus, Reaper, and Geth combined, so pretty hard.

If Platinum combines enemies then I have nothing to seek there. I hate Cerberus, they are the hardest. Though I like Reaper troops because they are quite easy. 


Cerberus is the hardest? Posted Image What makes Cerberus hard, other than Phantoms? Now Geth on the other hand...

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I hate going up against Geth.

Their anatomy is annoyingly difficult to kill -.-

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I hate going up against Geth.

Their anatomy is annoyingly difficult to kill -.-


Before you can even say the words "Geth Prime!" you get two shots to the face and all your health is gone.

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Geth are my favorite. Reaper troops are too common now. But I like them too! Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 18 juillet 2012 - 10:38 .


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smokingotter1 wrote...
Haha, I keep thinking how funny it is when Sovereign says "we are eternal" and the next day he dies. lol:lol:


Yes, well, Reapers want to present themselves as gods. It makes indoctrination a lot easier. ;)

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Dammit. This is my second paladin pistol since yesterday, and still no paladin class.

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paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

If Platinum combines enemies then I have nothing to seek there. I hate Cerberus, they phantoms are the hardest. Though I like Reaper troops because they are quite easy.


Fixed.

Fix approved. + Cerberus snipers


Beautiful clip is beautiful.

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Nice!

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byne wrote...

Dammit. This is my second paladin pistol since yesterday, and still no paladin class.


"because you are not ready" Also you first must almost assemble the N7 avengers first before you can get Paladin class.

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We are almost at 2000. i wonder who will get to be the first one on the new page?

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paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

If Platinum combines enemies then I have nothing to seek there. I hate Cerberus, they phantoms are the hardest. Though I like Reaper troops because they are quite easy.


Fixed.

Fix approved. + Cerberus snipers


Ravager = 3 Nemesis' put together...

I play Female Quarian Infiltrator so phantoms are easy. All I have to do is shoot them once with my Valient then use sabotage! Minimal aiming required. Or I could just use sabotage twice and not even have to shoot. Before the nerf (even after) you could solo through silver difficulty just using sabotage. By the end of the game you have about 5000 points from objectives because sabotage kills don't give points :lol:.

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Hey ITers i'm just wondering how am i doing so far with story called Wake Up Shepard i'm only wondering how am i doing is it good or is it bad.

As the start of the story begins Shepard is still on London a few days after the conduit run.
Control: As Shepard gets up he hears Harbinger say obey or you will die, once Shepard hears this Shepard starts resist the Reapers as much as he can but Shepard fails at breaking free of the Reaper control over him. Shepard then tries to Radio in for help, as Shepard tries then gives up when all Shepard can hear is static and then starts to walk away from the conduit to try and find anyone alive.  
Synthesis: As Shepard gets up Shepard starts to look around to see what just happened but then Shepard remembers that he has to find anyone still alive to try and help them to stop fighting the Reapers and help them understand what the reapers truly want. Shepard then tries to Radio in for help, as Shepard tries then gives up when all Shepard can hear is static and then starts to walk away from the conduit to try and find anyone alive.  
Destroy: As Shepard wakes up he hears Harbinger say *Serve Us* but once Shepard hears this he then start to feel pain as if Shepard was trying to stop the Reapers from taking over his mind. Once the pain stops Shepard then tries to Radio in for help, as Shepard tries then gives up when all Shepard can hear is static and then starts to walk away from the conduit to try and find anyone alive.
Refusal: As Shepard wakes he sees that the conduit has been shut down by Harbinger to stop anyone form going to the Citadel. As Shepard wakes up all Shepard sees is the dead hammer forces that was with Shepard during the conduit run. Shepard then tries to Radio in for help, as Shepard tries then gives up when all Shepard can hear is static and then starts to walk away from the conduit to try and find anyone alive.

PS the four endings will play affect through the whole story, email me if you want to get Involved with story

 


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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

If Platinum combines enemies then I have nothing to seek there. I hate Cerberus, they phantoms are the hardest. Though I like Reaper troops because they are quite easy.


Fixed.

Phantoms are easy.
Get a Reegar carbine and the right mods and you can one-shot them on gold ;)