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[UltimateTobi]

I contributed to the Allied Goal with roughly 20-30 Reaper Silver Full Extract.s.
And I got my Commendation Pack, nothing special though. Shame we didn't finish the Operation. I'd like to have 6 medi-gel. Sometimes you need it, sometimes you doesn't.

Anything new BTW? Does Turbo and Hellish have a plan when to release the video? If it's something big, I'd enjoy watching it.
And also still waiting for CleverNoob's documentary part 3.

[GreenFlag]

Can I ask...

Catalyst looks like as a boy from Shepard's dreams. How can be this possible?
- Only way is reading Shepard's mind and in Mass Effect this mean only one thing, Indoctrination.
- Also Shepard can be unconscious and everything about Catalyst is just a dream.

This is one of big (evidence) plothole entire game. How this is hapens and why?
Maybe this is one of the reason, why original ending was so incomplete. Bioware something planning for future and they tried make this, but it doesn't work as they thought.

What do you think?

Modifié par GreenFlag, 19 juillet 2012 - 12:02 .

[RavenEyry]

GreenFlag wrote...

Can I ask...

Catalyst looks like as a boy from Shepard's dreams. How can be this possible?
- Only way is reading Shepard's mind and in Mass Effect this mean only one thing, Indoctrination.
- Also Shepard can be unconscious and everything about Catalyst is just a dream.

Yeah, whenever someone says "The catalyst's just taking a form Shepard would recognise, that's not evidence of anything." I say "How does it know? Of all the forms it could take it chooses one Shepard never told anyone about, and one that would be good for emotional manipulation. Nope, nothing untoward going on."

[CoolioThane]

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is a big positive for IT

[paxxton]

Just 11 pages left...

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 12:33 .

[paxxton]

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is a big positive for IT

Yeah, but they didn't say why the Catalyst chose to use Shepard's voice. Also, he didn't have to read Shepard's memories to know his voice so the answer is suspicious.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

paxxton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is a big positive for IT

Yeah, but they didn't say why the Catalyst chose to use Shepard's voice. Also, he didn't have to read Shepard's memories to know his voice so the answer is suspicious.

Also if it was using Shepard's memories...I don't think Shepard in her life has ever said "I am the catalyst" in the same way the kid did. If these are all memories but Shepard never said some of the things she is "remembering." See? It's confusing?

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

GreenFlag wrote...

Can I ask...

Catalyst looks like as a boy from Shepard's dreams. How can be this possible?
- Only way is reading Shepard's mind and in Mass Effect this mean only one thing, Indoctrination.
- Also Shepard can be unconscious and everything about Catalyst is just a dream.

Yeah, whenever someone says "The catalyst's just taking a form Shepard would recognise, that's not evidence of anything." I say "How does it know? Of all the forms it could take it chooses one Shepard never told anyone about, and one that would be good for emotional manipulation. Nope, nothing untoward going on."

Didn't they confirm last night it was taking from Shepard's memories

[UltimateTobi]

Rosewind wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

GreenFlag wrote...

Can I ask...

Catalyst looks like as a boy from Shepard's dreams. How can be this possible?
- Only way is reading Shepard's mind and in Mass Effect this mean only one thing, Indoctrination.
- Also Shepard can be unconscious and everything about Catalyst is just a dream.

Yeah, whenever someone says "The catalyst's just taking a form Shepard would recognise, that's not evidence of anything." I say "How does it know? Of all the forms it could take it chooses one Shepard never told anyone about, and one that would be good for emotional manipulation. Nope, nothing untoward going on."

Didn't they confirm last night it was taking from Shepard's memories

That's what he was saying, with being a little sarcastic.

[paxxton]

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is a big positive for IT

Yeah, but they didn't say why the Catalyst chose to use Shepard's voice. Also, he didn't have to read Shepard's memories to know his voice so the answer is suspicious.

Also if it was using Shepard's memories...I don't think Shepard in her life has ever said "I am the catalyst" in the same way the kid did. If these are all memories but Shepard never said some of the things she is "remembering." See? It's confusing?

The Catalyst just used Shepard's tone of voice, not the actual words he had said.  Anyway, it seems weird for the Catalyst to imitate his interlocutor's voice if his intentions are genuine, isn't it?

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .

[RavenEyry]

If it was just an AI why would it partially be made of Shepards memories anyway. Just makes no sense from a literal standpoint.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

paxxton wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is a big positive for IT

Yeah, but they didn't say why the Catalyst chose to use Shepard's voice. Also, he didn't have to read Shepard's memories to know his voice so the answer is suspicious.

Also if it was using Shepard's memories...I don't think Shepard in her life has ever said "I am the catalyst" in the same way the kid did. If these are all memories but Shepard never said some of the things she is "remembering." See? It's confusing?

The Catalyst just used Shepard's tone of voice, not the actual words he had said.  Anyway, it's weird to imitate your speaker's voice if your intentions are genuine, isn't it?

This goes back to the problems in the pre-EC endings. Shepard doesn't ask enough questions. I would have wanted to ask "why are you using my male and female voice? And on top of that it just wasn't explained.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

If it was just an AI why would it partially be made of Shepards memories anyway. Just makes no sense from a literal standpoint.

Mind reading in order to take the form of someone Shepard feels sorry about to manipulate him?

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If it was just an AI why would it partially be made of Shepards memories anyway. Just makes no sense from a literal standpoint.

Mind reading in order to take the form of someone Shepard feels sorry about to manipulate him?

Maybe 'literal' wasn't the right word. How about from a catalyst-is-totally-trustworthy-and-my-options-are-exactly-as-presented standpoint?

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

If it was just an AI why would it partially be made of Shepards memories anyway. Just makes no sense from a literal standpoint.

Mind reading in order to take the form of someone Shepard feels sorry about to manipulate him?

Maybe 'literal' wasn't the right word. How about from a catalyst-is-totally-trustworthy-and-my-options-are-exactly-as-presented standpoint?

The Reapers are good-willed, kind-hearted creatures who only want to "help them ascend to make room?"

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:05 .

[Rosewind]

RavenEyry wrote...

If it was just an AI why would it partially be made of Shepards memories anyway. Just makes no sense from a literal standpoint.

Not made out of it, but using them lol like the geth consensus.

[paxxton]

At that pace we'll never get to the page 2000.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:32 .

[MetioricTest]

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

[CoolioThane]

I've been thinking...

...who would Bioware rather cater for?

Those who say "bad writing, bad writers" or those with faith that Bioware have planned a fantastic event ?

[Rosewind]

CoolioThane wrote...

I've been thinking...

...who would Bioware rather cater for?

Those who say "bad writing, bad writers" or those with faith that Bioware have planned a fantastic event ?

WHo ever spends the most money

[RavenEyry]

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

It's many years after Shepard has woken up. I assume something of note happened in all that time.

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

Stargazer fits after IT too...if the story ends with IT then the Stargazer can still say "good story" or whatevs

[MetioricTest]

^ So if Shepard is IT, it's fake.

But if he wakes up...The fake thing actually happened?

Wut?

[paxxton]

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

[MetioricTest]

paxxton wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

I agree.

But it completely kills the halluctination argument.