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[TSA_383]

MetioricTest wrote...

^ So if Shepard is IT, it's fake.

But if he wakes up...The fake thing actually happened?

Wut?

It's a hat-tip to the audience.

I mean for god's sake, the last three words of the game are "one more story".

Do you really think it's over?

[paxxton]

MetioricTest wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

I agree.

But it completely kills the halluctination argument.

Not at all. It plays after the credits rolled so it's not part of the main story. It's more of a ME-themed message from BioWare.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .

[Rosewind]

MetioricTest wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

I agree.

But it completely kills the halluctination argument.

How?

[RavenEyry]

MetioricTest wrote...

^ So if Shepard is IT, it's fake.

But if he wakes up...The fake thing actually happened?

Wut?

I never said it was fake. Others might think it is but I don't.

[MetioricTest]

Rosewind wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

I agree.

But it completely kills the halluctination argument.

How?

....


Because it happens regardless of whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated and it happens after Shepard wakes up.

So it has to be real.

And if Shepard was indoctrinated and we failed, why is there a future at all and why does it regail him as a hero with one more story?

[Chriz Tah Fah]

MetioricTest wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

I agree.

But it completely kills the halluctination argument.

Not at all. In the synthesis endings synthetics are still alive yet the Stargazer still says "some of the details were lost in time." This makes no sense considering that synthetics have perfect memories, if they saw it, they would remember it, no details would be "lost." On top of this, organics have the strengths of synthetics meaning that they too, should have perfect memories. If the details were there at some point, they should still be there, the fact that they aren't means that something about synthesis was missing which maens the Catalyst lied. If anything this improves the IT argument.

There's also the fact that the Stargazer even has to talk to the kid at all. If everyone is partly synthetic they should be able to upload stories through wifi or some equivalent.

Edit @ the post above me: If Shepard was indoctrinated and we failed then the same thing in the rejection ending probably happened. Data was stored, next cycle wins.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:50 .

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

^ So if Shepard is IT, it's fake.

But if he wakes up...The fake thing actually happened?

Wut?

I think it's always there, we just haven't been told the whole story yet

[RavenEyry]

MetioricTest wrote...

Because it happens regardless of whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated and it happens after Shepard wakes up.

So it has to be real.

And if Shepard was indoctrinated and we failed, why is there a future at all and why does it regail him as a hero with one more story?

It is possible Shepard could be considered a hero whether they won or not. Y'know, because of all the heroics. I don't see how 'The person who's heroic deeds we've been following for three games is considered a hero' means the ending has to be real.

[paxxton]

MetioricTest wrote...

Because it happens regardless of whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated and it happens after Shepard wakes up.

So it has to be real.

And if Shepard was indoctrinated and we failed, why is there a future at all and why does it regail him as a hero with one more story?

The purpose of that scene might also be to camouflage the indoctrination attempt from the player. It says always the same that Shepard is a hero even though he might not be. Besides no one has to know Shepard failed.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:57 .

[legaldinho]

MetioricTest wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

I agree.

But it completely kills the halluctination argument.

How?

....


Because it happens regardless of whether or not Shepard is indoctrinated and it happens after Shepard wakes up.

So it has to be real.

And if Shepard was indoctrinated and we failed, why is there a future at all and why does it regail him as a hero with one more story?

Beacause the details of the story were lost in time, and in any event there is one more story to tell.

[CoolioThane]

I love how you say so assured "It completely kills the IT"

LOL

[RavenEyry]

I'd be more likely to consider a Shepard that failed at the last hurdle a hero than one who performed synthesis.

[MetioricTest]

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or sarcastic but just incase, here's your flaw:

How come the Stargazer changes if you pick reject?

You're saying it doesn't matter if Shepard is indoctrinated or not as the future will be identical regardless of whether or not you pick Synthesis or Destroy anyway (thus making it pointless in the first place)

But if you Reject the crucible everybody dies and the future changes? ....

In other words:

If Shepard is Indoctrinated by picking Synthesis then the future is the same as if Shepard fights indoctrinated by picking Destroy.

But if Shepard is indoctrinated by picking Reject... Then the future radically changes.

What?

[MetioricTest]

CoolioThane wrote...

I love how you say so assured "It completely kills the IT"

LOL

No I didn't.

[legaldinho]

That really is revealing: reject wasn't in the original playbook, looks like it was thrown in at the last minute, and they cooked up something new real quick. It doesn't fit.

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or sarcastic but just incase, here's your flaw:

How come the Stargazer changes if you pick reject?

You're saying it doesn't matter if Shepard is indoctrinated or not as the future will be identical regardless of whether or not you pick Synthesis or Destroy anyway (thus making it pointless in the first place)

But if you Reject the crucible everybody dies and the future changes? ....

In other words:

If Shepard is Indoctrinated by picking Synthesis then the future is the same as if Shepard fights indoctrinated by picking Destroy.

But if Shepard is indoctrinated by picking Reject... Then the future radically changes.

What?

Because if it were the same scene it would be obvious that IT was true.

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

What's the IT explanation for Stargazer?

It makes absolutely no sense as "A trick the Reapers make him think." considering it happens regardless of whether he wakes up or not and AFTER he wakes up if he does

That scene is meant for the players to comfort them that Mass Effect franchise isn't done yet.

I agree.

But it completely kills the halluctination argument.

Oops

[Leonia]

Stargazer happens so far into the future that there could be any amount of misinformation floating around about what Shepard did or did not do. All they know in the future is something happened to stop the Reaper threat, one way or another. It's not indicative of the methods used to get to that solution and its even vague about what "dealing with the Reapers once and for all" actually means.

[TSA_383]

RavenEyry wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...
Also, related link, enjoy.

My favourite ones from that guy are "Miranda has three birthdays this year because she's so special" and "Some of Ashley's best friends are black"

On topic, I thought the arrival fail clip was interesting enough before clevernoob's analysis of it showing how it fits so well with the ending to 3. Especially the sillohette of a figure hobbling towards a light, the same way Shepard does to the conduit/space magic beam.

"Jack systematically murders everyone who knows about her J-pop collection."

"A protest on the Citadel becomes a full-blown rebellion. The people want toilets, and they want them now."

"Dr. Chakwas hijacks the ship in a drunken attempt to find a good kebab.
The Reapers are unhappy with the design of their new website.
"

"War is stalled while the Reapers look for their keys. Shepard's
universal translator malfunctions, giving everyone a Welsh accent."

"Batarian raiders kidnap Kelly and demand 100,000 credits to prevent her safe return."

"Ceasefire talks with the Reapers fail when the Council pretends they can't see them."

"A salarian commando team dies defending what turns out to be a Prothean cookery book."

"Garrus is sent to Earth for a recruitment drive, and comes back with six
heavily armed bonobos. Sovereign develops a crush on EDI.
"

"Mordin defeats the Reapers with a nine-hour debate on the definition of
"life". The crew have a whip round to buy Jack some clothes.
"

"Extended cut features over two hours of Mordin singing, plus three of
Jacob gently sobbing into his coffee. Jack shivs another crewman.
"

"Tali defeats the Reaper fleet With a deftly-flung magnet. The Geth
splinter into over four billion factions, each hostile to the rest.
"

"The Reapers infiltrate asari space by painting themselves blue and affixing plastic tentacles to their hulls."

"The Reapers destroy Earth, and are still congratulating themselves when
forty trillion Krogan turn up. Mordin cackles insanely in his lab."

"An ancient mining vessel returns to earth and fends off a Reaper attack
using spoiled prawn vindaloo. Kryten insists this isn't canon."

"Shepard's insistence on referring to The Illusive Man as "Tim" quickly
catches on. Two thirds of Cerberus staff disappear overnight."


God I love that page.

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they
actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's
memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is
a big positive for IT

Isn't that... an admission that what we see isn't really real?

Modifié par TSA_383, 19 juillet 2012 - 02:14 .

[TSA_383]

Flog61 wrote...

Erm, guys? I'd like to raise a concern about clevernoob's latest video.

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.c...s?v=RwSKdB1wWZA

At around 14:55 he says 'They left in those clues to maybe appeal to the people who aren't quite as educaed and just take the **** that they feed them'

If we want to convince peole that we aren't heretic or totally dismissive of other opinions, then this actually damages us quite a lot.

I dunno if you agree, it's just i thought it was a bit inappropriate

He can make whatever he likes

Anything else interesting in the new video?

[CoolioThane]

TSA_383 wrote...

*snip*

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they
actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's
memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is
a big positive for IT

Isn't that... an admission that what we see isn't really real?

I think...it does...but we never know 

[MetioricTest]

Flog61 wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I love how you say so assured "It completely kills the IT"

LOL

No I didn't.

Quote: 'It completely kills the hallucination argument'

And it does. Stargazer cannot be a hallucination. It makes no sense.  And if Stargazer is no hallunication it calls into question the end being one as all roads lead to Stargazer.

Because if it were the same scene it would be obvious that IT was true.

Exactly and since they didn't use the same scene and there is no explanation for the new stargazer. It disproves that the end bit was a hallunication.

You haven't explained anything. You can't just disresgard the new stargazer because "If it didn't exist it would prove my point." Well it does exist... and as such disproves your point.