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[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

*snip*

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they
actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's
memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is
a big positive for IT

Isn't that... an admission that what we see isn't really real?

I think...it does...but we never know 

Where are you the information for the Q&A from?

[Leonia]

Regardless of what people 200 years in the future think, it's still possible that an indoctrination attempt was made. Just as ME2 had the "you failed because your squad died on the mission" ending which turned out to not be canon then so can ME3 have non-canon endings. It doesn't neceessarily mean that's what "really" happened to Shepard or what some person in 200 years time thinks happened.

You're basically saying "I saw the ending so it happened!" without giving it any second thought.

[k0xfilter]

leonia42 wrote...

Stargazer happens so far into the future that there could be any amount of misinformation floating around about what Shepard did or did not do. All they know in the future is something happened to stop the Reaper threat, one way or another. It's not indicative of the methods used to get to that solution and its even vague about what "dealing with the Reapers once and for all" actually means.

yeah but read the post from chriz tah fah (or so) above. in case of synthesis, there wouldn't be anything lost. im not saying that i know what synthesis realy does to everybody, but if they say "strengh of both, weakness of neighter", then there would nothing be forgotten. and even if, i dont think the synthetics (geth and reapers) wouldn't just formate they harddisks.

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

*snip*

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they
actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's
memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is
a big positive for IT

Isn't that... an admission that what we see isn't really real?

I think...it does...but we never know 

Where are you the information for the Q&A from?

Master Blasster has posted it a few times in previous pages mate 

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I love how you say so assured "It completely kills the IT"

LOL

No I didn't.

Quote: 'It completely kills the hallucination argument'

And it does. Stargazer cannot be a hallucination. It makes no sense.  And if Stargazer is no hallunication it calls into question the end being one as all roads lead to Stargazer.

Because if it were the same scene it would be obvious that IT was true.

Exactly and since they didn't use the same scene and there is no explanation for the new stargazer. It disproves that the end bit was a hallunication.

You haven't explained anything. You can't just disresgard the new stargazer because "If it didn't exist it would prove my point." Well it does exist... and as such disproves your point.

How am I disregarding it? I'm saying it's there. It can't disprove my point as I've not made a ****ing point! If it was the same stargazer scene we wouldn't be having this conversation as the IT would be accepted as real. They change the scene so as to keep speculations up.

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

*snip*

CoolioThane wrote...

Also, in the QandA yesterday, they
actually said the Catalyst's voice was partly made from Shep's
memories...which was kind of a big thing to announce considering...it is
a big positive for IT

Isn't that... an admission that what we see isn't really real?

I think...it does...but we never know 

Where are you the information for the Q&A from?

Master Blasster has posted it a few times in previous pages mate 

What page if you don't mind me asking? Where is he getting all the info from?

[Leonia]

Trying to use the Stargazer sequence as evidence for ANYTHING seems like a fool's errand to me, all it pretty much tells the audience is that there's more to the story.

[RavenEyry]

SubAstris wrote...

What page if you don't mind me asking? Where is he getting all the info from?

He's getting all the Q&A info from the Q&A.

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris: http://forum.worldof...Team-(Livechat)

[SubAstris]

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

[MetioricTest]

leonia42 wrote...

Trying to use the Stargazer sequence as evidence for ANYTHING seems like a fool's errand to me, all it pretty much tells the audience is that there's more to the story.

It tells the audience that the future lives on and is the same regardless of whether or not Shepard is allegedly Indoctrinated according to IT.

But it is drastically changed if you pick Reject.

Thus it nullifies the concept that the endings are meaningless apart from destroy. Destroy-Control-Synthesis all lead to the same future. Reject doesn't.

Thus either it wasn't a hallucination.

And the only defense so far is "It has to exist because if it didn't exist it'd prove me right."

I want to see that defense used in court when someone points to a bloody knife. "Yeah but if there was no bloody knife you'd KNOW I was innocent. Therefore it's irrelevant."

[MetioricTest]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

This is turning into "Fossils planted by God."

You're saying the new Stargazer scene is a fake, implanted scene that didn't actually happen and there is no ingame explanation for...But Bioware added just so keep IT a secret?

Really?

Really?

[SubAstris]

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

They had the opportunity but didn't take it? Why not? They are never going to do another thing on the ending ever again, that was their last chance

So early? It's been 3 months, the "twist", if there really was one, should have come within the first month of release if not in the actual game

Modifié par SubAstris, 19 juillet 2012 - 02:46 .

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Trying to use the Stargazer sequence as evidence for ANYTHING seems like a fool's errand to me, all it pretty much tells the audience is that there's more to the story.

It tells the audience that the future lives on and is the same regardless of whether or not Shepard is allegedly Indoctrinated according to IT.

But it is drastically changed if you pick Reject.

Thus it nullifies the concept that the endings are meaningless apart from destroy. Destroy-Control-Synthesis all lead to the same future. Reject doesn't.

Thus either it wasn't a hallucination.

And the only defense so far is "It has to exist because if it didn't exist it'd prove me right."

I want to see that defense used in court when someone points to a bloody knife. "Yeah but if there was no bloody knife you'd KNOW I was innocent. Therefore it's irrelevant."

you're starting to get on my nerves. This is a game, not a murder case. If there was no bloody knife you wouldn't know he was innocent, there would be less evidence. Whereas if there were the same scene it would 100% confirm IT.

Look, Destroy, synthesis, control - Male Human talking
Reject - Female alien talking

If Reject had male human - proof IT as humans should be dead

Reject stargazer could b e on a different planet at the same time, or same planet at a differing time. 

You cannot use it for or against IT. It's ambiguous.

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

This is turning into "Fossils planted by God."

You're saying the new Stargazer scene is a fake, implanted scene that didn't actually happen and there is no ingame explanation for...But Bioware added just so keep IT a secret?

Really?

Really?

NO! AGAIN, it is a real scene, at a differing time/place from the original stargazer scene to keep up speculations. PLease read what I say for ****s sake

[CoolioThane]

SubAstris wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

I don't think that the Stargazer can really be used as evidence for or against IT. It is removed from the action of the game and basically BW acknowledging their inspiration for the games. Having said that, it would be odd that BW deliberately changed the characters in the reject scene and what they say, seems to confirm a literal intrepretation

If they hadn't switched characters it would have confirmed IT which they wouldn't want to do so early

They had the opportunity but didn't take it? Why not? They are never going to do another thing on the ending ever again, that was their last chance

So early? It's been 3 months, the "twist", if there really was one, should have come within the first month of release if not in the actual game

That's your opinion, that it should have come then, but it makes more of an effect the more time they take plus it also allows for a helluva lot more speculation and keeping discs in trays - their aim 

[MetioricTest]

The place is exactly the same. An identical location.

So two different people went to the same place, a child and a grown up and had pretty much the same conversation...And Bioware gave us 1 for 3 three endings...And then another separate one for the 4th just to keep IT a secret?

This is your argument?

[RavenEyry]

CoolioThane wrote...
NO! AGAIN, it is a real scene, at a differing time/place from the original stargazer scene to keep up speculations. PLease read what I say for ****s sake

Don't bother. He doesn't agree with what you said which means you must be wrong. That's how it works apparently.

[Lokanaiya]

One piece of evidence, especially one that is based on opinion, cannot disprove IT. You still have to explain how Synthesis works, how Shepard gets his gut wound, how TIM controls Shepard and Anderson, and much more. Also, quote from Chris Priestly on why Starbrat's voice has Shepard's under it:

"The Catalyst's voice is partially formed from Shepard's memories, so his/her voice is part of the speech."

How is that possible, if it is not at least partially in Shepard's head?

[paxxton]

Flog61 wrote...

Erm, guys? I'd like to raise a concern about clevernoob's latest video.

Here is the link: http://www.youtube.c...s?v=RwSKdB1wWZA

At around 14:55 he says 'They left in those clues to maybe appeal to the people who aren't quite as educaed and just take the **** that they feed them'

If we want to convince peole that we aren't heretic or totally dismissive of other opinions, then this actually damages us quite a lot.

I dunno if you agree, it's just i thought it was a bit inappropriate

Yes, he shouldn't have said that. He overreacted and offended a lot of people. Besides, this is simply not true.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 juillet 2012 - 02:55 .

[RavenEyry]

MetioricTest wrote...

The place is exactly the same. An identical location.

So two different people went to the same place, a child and a grown up and had pretty much the same conversation...And Bioware gave us 1 for 3 three endings...And then another separate one for the 4th just to keep IT a secret?

This is your argument?

They're not trying to keep it secret. They've blatantly said several times they want to encourage multiple interpretations.

[Leonia]

Both stargazer scenes couldn't have happened, but how do we know which is correct?